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Author: TheCrow   Date: 11/2/2022 12:48:41 PM  +4/-1   Show Orig. Msg (this window) Or  In New Window

"Biden supports pipelines in Germany"


"Border security in Ukraine"


Why not to either of those?


 


"Oil production is Saudi Arabia"


How much do you want to pay for gasoline, which is marketed qand sold world-wide? Saudi Arabia is one of the cheapest places to produce oil and the richer the Saudi princes are the morte stable that poxed region is.


 


"Assault weapons for the Taliban"


Joe Biden got American boots out of Afghanistan. Bush, Obama and Trump couldn't or didn't. Americans continued to die there for nothing. Biden ended that.


December 2011:


On CNN, Trump declared that the U.S. should “get out” of Afghanistan, adding, “We have to rebuild our country. We’re rebuilding. You know, you go to Afghanistan. There is a school. It gets blown up. We rebuild it. We build a road to the school. They both get blown up. We rebuild. In the meantime, if you want to build a school in Brooklyn or Iowa or California, you can’t build them.”


 


Now, I'm gonna ask you which is true: Trump lied about wanting to get Americans out of Afghanistan; or Trump couldn't figure out how to exit Afghanistan. Whichever is true, Biden bit thebullet and no more Americans will die, uselessly, there.


 


 


Fact check: Biden didn't 'gift' weapons to Taliban, hasn't proposed banning pistols


Daniel Funke
USA TODAY


  


The claim: The Biden administration "gifted" the Taliban $80 billion in weapons and wants to take 9 mm pistols away from Americans


President Joe Biden has taken heat from all sides for the chaotic withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan – including on social media.


"The current regime that just gifted the Taliban with $80+ billion worth of military grade weapons wants your 9mm pistols," reads an Aug. 17 text post on Facebook. "THINK ABOUT IT."


The post accumulated more than 46,000 shares within three days. Similar posts that criticize both the Biden administration's gun policies and its handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal have racked up tens of thousands of interactions on Facebook, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool.


As the Taliban took over Afghanistan, it recovered military equipment the U.S. provided to the Afghan National Security Forces. The Islamic fundamentalist group now possesses guns, ammunition, Humvees and helicopters left behind by fleeing Afghan forces.


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But the Facebook post misleads on the value of that equipment – and its claim about Biden's position on handguns is wrong.


The U.S. spent more than $83 billion equipping and training the Afghan military, but not all of that money went toward weapons, as the post makes it seem. Foreign policy experts told USA TODAY it's wrong to say the Biden administration "gifted" those weapons to the Taliban, since the aid was meant for Afghan forces.


And Biden has not proposed taking away Americans' 9 mm pistols.


"It is very typical for gun rights activists to claim that Democrats and gun control supporters want to ban gun ownership and take away all weapons," Melissa Merry, an associate professor of political science at the University of Louisville, said in an email. "I would characterize this claim as just the latest iteration of this argument."


USA TODAY reached out to social media users who shared the posts for comment.


Taliban fighters stand guard in the main gate leading to Afghan presidential palace, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Monday, Aug. 16, 2021.
 

Weapons claim overreaches


The U.S. spent more than $80 billion equipping and training the Afghan military, but not all of that money went toward weapons. And the Biden administration didn't "gift" equipment to the Taliban.


"That is totally ridiculous," Barnett Rubin, a senior fellow at the Center for International Cooperation at New York University, said in an email. "If you give a gift to A, and then B steals the gift, it is not fair to say that you gave a gift to B."


National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said at an Aug. 17 White House press briefing that the Taliban had recovered a "fair amount" of military equipment the U.S. provided to the Afghan National Security Forces.


"We don't have a complete picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has gone," he said. "But certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the Taliban. And obviously, we don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport."



 

 

Reuters reported that, while the Biden administration doesn't yet have definitive numbers, intelligence assessments estimate the Taliban has recovered more than 2,000 armored vehicles and up to 40 aircraft. That includes U.S.-supplied Humvees and Black Hawk helicopters.


"Those Black Hawks were not given to the Taliban," Sullivan said during the briefing. "They were given to the Afghan National Security Forces to be able to defend themselves." 


Over the course of the war in Afghanistan, the U.S. spent more than $83 billion building up the Afghan military, according to an August report from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction. More than $28 billion of U.S. aid went to "defense articles and services, including weapons, ammunition, vehicles, night-vision devices, aircraft, and surveillance systems," according to a separate report published in December.


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That's far from the $80 billion figure cited in the Facebook post.


"That money was not exclusively used to buy weapons," Julie Garey, an assistant teaching professor of political science at Northeastern University, said in an email. "And even if that number was broken down to determine exactly how much was used for weapons, it still wouldn’t really be relevant. Not all of the weapons supplied are recoverable."


USA TODAY reached out to the Defense Department for comment.


Biden hasn't proposed banning pistols


Independent fact-checking organizations, gun policy experts and the White House have debunked the claim that Biden wants to ban 9 mm pistols.


The claim appears to stem from a July 26 blog post from the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action. The advocacy group's lobbying arm wrote that, during a July 21 CNN town hall in Cincinnati, Biden reiterated his "call to ban 9mm handguns."



 

 

In response to USA TODAY's request for comment, NRA spokesperson Amy Hunter sent a 2019 tweet linking to a Townhall story. The article comments on something Biden said at a Seattle fundraiser about 9 mm pistols that "can hold 10 or more rounds."


The article doesn't prove Biden wants to ban all 9 mm handguns. And the full context of Biden's remarks in Cincinnati show he wasn't referring to all handguns.


"The idea you need a weapon that can have the ability to fire 20, 30, 40, 50, 120 shots from that weapon, whether – whether it's a 9 mm pistol or whether it's a rifle, is ridiculous," Biden said during the town hall. "I'm continuing to push to eliminate the sale of those things."


In June, the White House called on the Senate "to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines." That position is consistent with what Biden promised on the campaign trail.


"Looking at the statement, he’s clearly taking a position on regulating assault weapons," said Merry, the University of Louisville associate professor. "He’s not specifically proposing to ban 9 mm guns."


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PolitiFact rated false a similar claim from House Republicans. The independent fact-checking organization reported that, while experts disagree on the definition of an assault-style weapon – and states have different standards for what qualifies as a high-capacity magazine – none of the most popular handguns would be affected by what Biden has proposed.


And if Biden's policies did pass Congress, the federal government would not take assault pistols away from gun owners.


Biden has proposed banning the manufacture and sale of assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. Americans who already possess those weapons could either sell them to the federal government or register them under the National Firearms Act.


"President Biden has never proposed the ban of 9 mm pistols or other caliber pistols," Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Prevention and Policy, said in an email. "He certainly has never taken pistols away from people who are legal gun owners."


USA TODAY reached out to the White House for comment, but it did not provide one on the record.


Smith & Wesson MP Shield 9 mm handgun being cocked.
 

Our rating: False


Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that the Biden administration "gifted" the Taliban $80 billion in weapons and wants to take 9 mm pistols away from Americans. The U.S. spent $28 billion on weapons, vehicles and other military equipment for the Afghan National Security Forces, not $80 billion. The Biden administration did not "gift" that equipment to the Taliban – the group recovered some of it from retreating Afghan forces. And Biden has not proposed taking 9 mm pistols away from Americans. Instead, he's proposed banning the sale and manufacture of assault-style firearms and high-capacity magazines.


 


 
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