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Msg ID: 2690197 Why QAnon Has Attracted So Many White Evangelicals +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
5/25/2021 10:49:04 AM

Conspiracy theorists and the religious share a common trait: they believe what can't be proven. They believe because of an emotional disposition to follow their feelings.

Problem is that many current conspiracy theories, like QAnon, are damaging to our nation, our culture and the individual believers.

Chistianity inspires an aspiration to more moral behavior; QAnon and Trumpism do the opposite, inspiring violence and destruction. Just as Buddhist, Hindu and Islamic extremists can easily cross the line into violence against a percieved wrong, Christians can accept conmspiracy as revelation. 

Especially if they accept Trump's statements that he is the "King of Israel", the "second coming of God" and that he's the "chosen one". 

 

MAR. 4, 2021, AT 2:07 PM

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One week after his first drop, Q was already quoting scripture. “The LORD is my shepherd, I lack nothing,” Q posted on the imageboard site 4chan. The line was from Psalm 23, possibly the most well-known of the 150 psalms, and a beacon of hope for Christians going through challenging times. Is it any wonder that the fringe conspiracy theory QAnon has attracted true believers in every sense of the word?


 

Confidence Interval: QAnon is not going anywhere | FiveThirtyEight

 

QAnon revolves around the baseless belief that former President Donald Trump is fighting a secret war against a global cabal of Democratic elites who are Satan-worshipping, cannibalistic pedophiles. Much of the lore comes from online posts, called “drops,” written by an anonymous person known as “Q” who claims to have insider knowledge. As the QAnon movement has become more culturally significant — QAnon believers were among those who took part in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol building — surveys have attempted to identify just how many Americans believe in this conspiracy. While that picture is still murky, it’s become increasingly apparent that this movement has attracted a significant number of white evangelical Christians, which could have implications for the movement’s future. Evangelicals, after all, played an important role in shoring up the Tea Party’s growth and influence.

In its January 2021 American Perspectives Survey, the American Enterprise Institute’s Survey Center on American Life asked a random sample of more than 2,000 Americans to rate the accuracy of a series of statements. One of those statements was about the core tenet of QAnon: “Donald Trump has been secretly fighting a group of child sex traffickers that include prominent Democrats and Hollywood elites.” Of the respondents who rated that statement as “mostly” or “completely” accurate, 27 percent were white evangelical Christians. Depending on how you define it, evangelical Christians make up about a quarter or less of the U.S. population, so they’re at least slightly overrepresented in the QAnon contingent. Looking at the data another way, 31 percent of white evangelical Republicans rated the statement as “mostly” or “completely” accurate. Either way you slice it, there’s significant overlap between Q followers and evangelicals.

[Related: QAnon Isn’t Going To Take Over Congress In 2020. But It’s Found A Home In The GOP.]

Another survey, conducted in October 2020 by Denison University political science professor Paul Djupe and colleagues, looked at a representative sample of more than 1,700 Americans and found that 50 percent of white evangelical Christians either “agreed” or “strongly agreed” with QAnon beliefs. Comparative surveys have also shown a correlation between Christian nationalism and conspiratorial thinking, specifically a belief in QAnon. And it’s something members of the church have been sounding the alarm about for months.

While we’re still learning about the demographics of QAnon believers, surveys that look at evangelicals’ other beliefs can help explain why they may be susceptible to falling down this particular rabbit hole. A majority of evangelical Christians identify as Republicans — 56 percent according to the Pew Research Center’s 2014 U.S. Religious Landscape Study — and they are more likely than Democrats and the general public to express belief in QAnon. In a Morning Consult survey from late January, 24 percent of Republicans said the QAnon conspiracy was at least “somewhat accurate,” compared with 19 percent of Democrats. Republican belief in the conspiracy dropped noticeably after the attack on the Capitol, as a series of surveys months before, immediately after, and several weeks after the attack showed, but Republicans remained more likely to support the belief than the general public (18 percent).

Evangelicals are also significantly less trustful of news media, meaning journalists’ fact-checking and debunking of QAnon is less likely to be convincing.

“I’m actually not surprised that evangelicals are more likely to believe those kinds of things,” said Samuel Perry, a professor of sociology at the University of Oklahoma. “Evangelicals are not socially isolated, but they are informationally isolated.”

That dynamic is apparent in surveys as well. For instance, a Pew survey from 2019 found that 44 percent of the public believed journalists had high ethical standards, while only 27 percent of white evangelical Christians did. And 7 percent of white evangelical Christians said they had a “great deal” of confidence that journalists would act in the best interest of the public, compared with 15 percent of total respondents who felt that way.

[Related: How Marjorie Taylor Greene Won, And Why Someone Like Her Can Win Again]

While evangelical Christians are less likely to trust the news media, they have a lot of trust in, and enduring affection for, Trump. As recently as October, close to 80 percent of white evangelical Christians said they supported Trump, and they have been much more likely than the general public to call him “morally upstanding” and “honest”; in fact, 15 percent and 23 percent said those respective terms described Trump “very well,” compared with 8 percent and 12 percent of all respondents. Since Trump is cast as the protagonist in the QAnon narrative, the hero who will save us all from the evil cabal of baby-eaters, it’s understanding that those who support him the most could find that idea appealing.

“The narrative of QAnon, of Donald Trump as this lone warrior who nobody understands and nobody believes but who is fighting the good fight, I think they identify with that,” Perry said. “They feel themselves misunderstood and victimized and that they are fighting the good fight that nobody recognizes.”

But perhaps the biggest connection between the world of QAnon and the world of evangelical Christians is one that’s much harder to quantify and capture, but it seems obvious when talking to someone from either group. The QAnon movement has suffered multiple failed prophecies, predictions for events that never came to pass. To continue holding onto beliefs in spite of those disappointments, followers need something many evangelicals have in spades: faith.

“People of faith believe there is a divine plan — that there are forces of good and forces of evil at work in the world,” said Ed Stetzer, an evangelical pastor and executive director of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center. “QAnon is a train that runs on the tracks that religion has already put in place.”



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Msg ID: 2690223 I would suggest lack of education and environment as well... +2/-0     
Author:Jett
5/25/2021 1:34:25 PM

Reply to: 2690197

I know a lot of Christians but I don't know of a single one who believes that nonsense. But travel into certain parts of our country, especially places where they have those "Big Tent Revivals" where Red Neck Preachers whip the crowd into a frenzy, you'll find lots of them there... 



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Msg ID: 2690240 And you would be right- Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
5/25/2021 3:41:17 PM

Reply to: 2690223

As Nate Silver points out in this article, it's diificult to parse that scupulously as achievement in education is stongly tied to financial success in America. But it can be done and Trump's political strategy demonstrably did exactly that.

That's why Trump's catch phrase "Make America Great Again" worked so well- it evokes a sentimental memory of a dim past n which blue collar work paid quite well, in a world economy therwise in a post war shambles, manufacturing abroad greatly diminished with wrecked factories and infrastructure,

That world does not exist anymore. And, it can't be recreated by American isolationism. Sweatshop labor in 3rd world exonomies is morally reprehensible, but starvation in it's place is even less acceptable. Example- a pair of blue jeans made in America would cost $205 while using overseas workers makes them available for $60.

There's two ways to look at those facts- the quality of life made possible in America by employing and purchasinf products made by low cost foreign workers; and the improvement in the quality of life for those workers by selling to Americans. And the knowledge that a population gainfully employed in mutually profitable commercial exchange aren't likely to start wars.

Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump

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Sometimes statistical analysis is tricky, and sometimes a finding just jumps off the page. Here’s one example of the latter.

I took a list of all 981 U.S. counties1 with 50,000 or more people2 and sorted it by the share of the population3 that had completed at least a four-year college degree. Hillary Clinton improved on President Obama’s 2012 performance in 48 of the country’s 50 most-well-educated counties. And on average, she improved on Obama’s margin of victory in these countries by almost 9 percentage points, even though Obama had done pretty well in them to begin with.



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Msg ID: 2691141 And you would be right- Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/3/2021 12:04:03 PM

Reply to: 2690240

Your last paragraph loosely explained some of owebuma's and Hitlery's electoral success.
Not Trump's. You are just another lib with a penchant for misdirection, and outright deceit.

You don't know where Americans best days lie. By and large productivity drives manufacturing, not labor.

In fact, technology tends to obsolete labor.

You should know that, or probably do, but that never stops your propaganda train.

Instictively any well informed American would know that what you preach has no more value than a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2691156 And you would be right- Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/3/2021 1:22:51 PM

Reply to: 2691141

My last paragraph, to refresh pucknutz argument:

"There's two ways to look at those facts- the quality of life made possible in America by employing and purchasinf products made by low cost foreign workers; and the improvement in the quality of life for those workers by selling to Americans. And the knowledge that a population gainfully employed in mutually profitable commercial exchange aren't likely to start wars."


lalla O-MUJI-DUMMIEZOMBIE replies and my responses:

"Your last paragraph loosely explained some of owebuma's and Hitlery's electoral success."

WTF?

 

"Not Trump's. You are just another lib with a penchant for misdirection, and outright deceit."

Trump lost 3 million American jobs and killed a half-million Americans with his delayed response (generous enough for you?) to the novel coronavirus. That epidemic ended the longest economic expanison in American history.

 

 

"You don't know where Americans best days lie. By and large productivity drives manufacturing, not labor."

WTF?

 

 

"In fact, technology tends to obsolete labor."

As if proof was needed of your Luddite, reactionary economic philosophy. I'm glad wooden shoes are no longer in fashion.

 

 

"You should know that, or probably do, but that never stops your propaganda train."

No, I know nothing of the sort. The industrial revolution and resultant massive improvement in the human quatlity of life...

 

 

Instictively any well informed American would know that what you preach has no more value than a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!  

Instinct is not a reational reaction in all cases. In your proposition, it is nothing but a prejudice against science and knowledge. 

 



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Msg ID: 2691275 And you would be right- Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For +0/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/4/2021 2:01:47 AM

Reply to: 2691156

You probably shouldn't use the word Luddite.

You don't know what it means.

You don't know how to properly use it in a sentence.

You created the proud boys, and the q people by being bigoted, uncaring, and offending them by opposing them.

Delayed response? 
You libz instituted gain of function long before Trump got into office.

The Fauci emails are cementing him to be the biggest villain this country has just about ever seen.
He made sure to fund it, and subsidize China to perfect it.

Lets get the timeline right.

Biden had Hunter selling access to China while Biden was VP.

The author of owebumacare had to know.

That enhanced virus was let out of Wuhan as a land mine to try to destroy Trump.

Trump put out an immediate travel ban, that you libz tried your level best to undermine by a coordinated effort to make the ban out to be unnecessary, racist, and xenophobic.

You libz complained that Americans were allowed to come home, and would rather have them serve a life sentence in the fiery core of the Kung flu ground zero.

You would have thrown them to the wolves rather than give them a chance to get away from the epicenter of the pandemic.

You would have left them out in the cold with Chines communist health care, rather than American health care, if they did become infected.

You made sure all of our country was completely distracted while putting on a charade of a kangaroo court impeachment scam, that had no basis.

You made sure PPE stocks and ventilators were completely depleted, and not restocked.

You made sure all dem governors went on a virtual killing spree with COVID patients being put in nursing homes.

You made sure to instill panic, while chiding Trump, even after your best efforts to hamstring him were failing.

Trump meanwhile delivered 2 hospital ships that the granny killers refused to use, and delivered more than enough ventilators, that you libz had misappropriated.

You libz have everything to answer for in your Kung flu scam, that you immediately politicized for power, and self enrichment.

What you accused Trump of, owebuma, and Hitlery were actually guilty of.

As it is with nearly all lib accusations.

You libz did just about everything other than a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2691276 Well, you are a Typical Extreme Right Scared to Death of Technology Moron  +2/-0     
Author:Jett
6/4/2021 2:33:13 AM

Reply to: 2691275

Lack of education was totally obvious in the Jan 6 Insurrection as it is at those "Rallies", we know who the rabid base is, no secret there... 



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