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Msg ID: 2692719 Arizona audit +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
6/15/2021 12:16:00 PM

It appears they are getting closer to finishing.  But one thing is happening, this audit has created lots of legislators from other states visiting.  There is lots of interest in auditing the ballots in others states.  

The truth will come out sooner or later!



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Msg ID: 2692722 Arizona audit +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/15/2021 12:28:48 PM

Reply to: 2692719

Not to worry- Trump will be returned to office in August. Hundreds, nay- thousands of liberals will be hung and milions of political prisoners incarcerated.

We will have a Dear Leader just like Stalin, and the national politics will be orderly.  

 

Get Ready for the Shitstorm That Will Follow the Arizona “Recount”

Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy’s plan for Arizona is the same as it was before January 6.
 
JUNE 15, 2021 
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Your whole life, like a sandglass, will always be reversed and will ever run out again,—a long minute of time will elapse until all those conditions out of which you were evolved return in the wheel of the cosmic process. And then you will find every pain and every pleasure, every friend and every enemy, every hope and every error, every blade of grass and every ray of sunshine once more.

—Friedrich Nietzsche, “Notes on the Eternal Recurrence

At some point during our schooling we were all met with a frustrated social studies teacher who was forced to fall back on the old saw about how those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it in order to implore a class of checked-out brats that the history lesson before them is not without value to their imagined future lives as architects/importer-exporters.

Generally this argument is employed to make the case for learning the lessons of the Holy Roman Empire, or Cromwell, or some other travail of a long-dead Caucasian. But today I am the annoying teacher, the Republican party and its enablers are the checked-out students, and the historic event that they need to learn from happened all of six months ago.

In the months between Trump’s electoral schlonging and the January insurrection, the GOP establishment participated in the coup two-step, during which they tried to ignore Trump’s antics when they weren’t actively enabling it by just asking questionsThis strategy was a failure of historic proportions, resulting in the disruption of America’s practice of peaceful transfers of power, a violent siege of the Capitol, and the deaths of their own supporters, who had bought the lies they were fed.

You would think this history lesson would be something Republicans might learn from.

But no.

Today the insurrection is ongoing and the next potentially violent inflection point will come in the weeks after the results of the Arizona “audit” are revealed. The audit, which is being conducted by the “Cyber Ninjas” and funded at least in part by my old pal Lin Wood, is set to deliver some type of result soon. The state senate’s audit “liaison” Ken Bennett (congrats on the fancy title, Ken) said that they expect the process will take most of the “rest of this month.”

Much like Trump’s Four Seasons Total Landscaping coup attempt, the Arizona audit is being ignored by Republican leaders such as Mitch McConnell and Kevin Mccarthy, who are not engaging on the subject publicly and privately consider it shambolic sideshow. This while conservative allies dismiss those of us who are alarmed about the ongoing risks to democracy.

Meanwhile the whole Arizona circus is being taken deadly seriously by Trump himself—he called Republican pols who are ignoring the audit “weak”—and by his radicalized supporters who still want to “stop the steal.”

Doesn’t this all sound a little too familiar?


There’s more.

Activists in the QAnon movement have described the audit as the first step in “The Great Awakening.” And Arizona Republican Party Chairwoman Kelli Ward has threatened “arrests” of those who did not comply with the audit. (N.B.: The Arizona Republican Party does not yet have the power to detain citizens for crimes against MAGA.)

One Arizona GOP precinct committeewoman, Gail Golec, has quit her job as a real estate agent to focus on uncovering “fraud” full-time, which she details on her Facebook and YouTube pages. One America News has hired a local propagandist, Christina Bobb, to “cover the audit”—while also fundraising for it.

 

Now that’s some journalisming.

Steve Bannon’s War Room, which was the official podcast of the “Stop The Steal” rallies last fall, is playing the same role in unofficial fashion in Arizona and has found an audience for the grift. (At the time of this writing, War Room was the tenth-biggest news podcast on the Apple charts.) The thirstiest and craziest MAGA Republicans around the country have all made the hajj to Maricopa to either learn how they can bring the insurrection to their states or signal their allegiance to primary voters. The frontrunner in the Missouri race to succeed the retiring Senator Roy Blunt, Eric Greitens, is the latest of this latter group.

Again, I ask: Doesn’t this all sound pretty fucking familiar?!!!

Sometime soon the results of the Arizona audit will be brought forth. It seems quite likely, given the participants, that the auditor ninjas will claim that Donald Trump won Arizona. Or probably won Arizona—who can say! Or would have won Arizona, if not for those meddling kids.

And if this happens, the former president and his MAGA media echo chamber will once again stoke the flames of insurrection. Q-adherents will convince themselves that one of the seven seals has been revealed. Millions (tens of millions) of Republicans throughout the country will believe it. And some of them will demand action.

So when the Arizona audit bell tolls, what exactly is McConnell and McCarthy’s plan?

Because it sure looks as though they are dooming us all to repeat the same history we just lived through, humoring Trump’s delusions and hoping that none of their supporters die in their imaginary fight for freedom this time.

Tim Miller

Tim Miller is The Bulwark’s writer-at-large. He was previously political director for Republican Voters Against Trump, communications director for Jeb Bush 2016, and spokesman for the Republican National Committee.


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Msg ID: 2692732 Arizona audit +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
6/15/2021 1:04:01 PM

Reply to: 2692722

Have you ever considered that the election was fraudulent?

Have you ever considered what you would do it the election was fraudulent by the right?

Have you ever considered what will become of the us if the elections are not honest?

Have you ever considered that the left should have worked with the right to show the election was honest?

Have you ever considered that evidence should have been looked at in court?

Have you ever considered that the constitution was violated by some states?

No you never considered if it was or was not an honest election?  You just voted out of you emotions, no common sense!

useful idiot 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2692734 Have You Ever Considered That It Wasn't And Your Dude Lost? (NT) +3/-1     
Author:Jett
6/15/2021 1:12:31 PM

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Msg ID: 2692723 Are You Talking About "The Clown Show"? +3/-1     
Author:Jett
6/15/2021 12:31:05 PM

Reply to: 2692719

Untangling Disinformation

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Experts Call It A 'Clown Show' But Arizona 'Audit' Is A Disinformation Blueprint

Courtney Pedroza/The Washington Post via Getty Images

To Matt Masterson, the review of 2020 ballots from Maricopa County, Ariz., that's underway is "performance art" or "a clown show," and definitely "a waste of taxpayer money."

But it's not an audit.

"It's an audit in name only," says Masterson, a former Department of Homeland Security official who helped lead the federal government's election security preparations leading up to November's election. "It's a threat to the overall confidence of democracy, all in pursuit of continuing a narrative that we know to be a lie."

By lie, he means the assertion from former President Donald Trump and some of his allies that election fraud cost him a second term in the White House.

The process is a simple exercise in how disinformation spreads and takes hold in 2021. And experts fear it presents a blueprint for other states and lawmakers to follow, one that is already showing signs of being emulated across the country.

"Now we have a playbook out there," said Masterson, who is currently a policy fellow with the Stanford Internet Observatory, "where if you don't like the results — by the way in an election that wasn't particularly close ... you just claim you didn't lose and in fact the process itself was rigged against you."

Step 1: Create a false reality

At a basic level, it's a victory for those looking to sow doubt in the 2020 election results just to have them still being litigated six months after Election Day.

To be clear, Maricopa County's election results have already been audited multiple times by companies with experience in the field, with no problems being uncovered.

This latest process, however, is being run by a company without election experience that's led by a CEO who has spread election-related conspiracy theories.

Actual election audits have consistent and transparent procedures, often established in state law, but this has none of that, says Jennifer Morrell, a former election official and a national expert on election auditing. Morrell observed the process in person in Arizona for a week.

"They were sort of making up the process," Morrell said. "They were improvising as they went along."

Vote counters used conveyer wheels to tally ballots, often having to grab the wheel to stop it from moving too quickly past them. Other volunteers did data entry into a spreadsheet with no quality-control checks in place to make sure they entered it correctly. Observers from the Arizona Secretary of State's office have documented a series of " problematic practices, changing policies, and security threats that have plagued this exercise from the start."

But by calling it an audit, the process gains credibility in the eyes of people who don't know better, says Francesca Tripodi, an information studies professor at the University of North Carolina. The title itself is a misinformation tactic.

"The strategy in calling it an audit to begin with creates the illusion of legality — the illusion of a government-backed agency," Tripodi said. "And when I think of an audit, I think of wrongdoing immediately."

Step 2: Hit the airwaves

Normally, election audits are mundane, sparsely attended affairs. But this one has its own Twitter account (with 68,000 followers) and a livestream on the pro-Trump One America News Network, which has also raised money on air to fund the audit.

"It's terrifying," Morrell said. "We've suddenly said it's OK to hand our ballots over to a third-party organization with political bias, with no experience, who get to make up the rules and then make a decision or a determination based on what they do on whether or not the outcome of the election was correct."

The only way it works, however, is if people know about it. And if it gets covered in a way that doesn't note the audit's technical shortcomings.

An NPR analysis of social media engagement data from the online analytics firm NewsWhip found that the 10 most popular stories about the "audit" on social media were all published by conservative publications, many of which have also pushed the false idea that Trump may be the rightful president.

NewsWhip's engagement data encompasses how many times an article was shared, commented on or liked across Facebook, Pinterest and much of Twitter. The company analyzed a time period from April 1 through May 25 at the request of NPR.

Five of the 10 most popular links came from WesternJournal.com, a conservative clickbait site that furthers right-wing narratives and conspiracies.

"It's rather odd that we are constantly reassured that every aspect of the 2020 election was entirely safe, secure and kosher, and yet the ongoing election audit process in Arizona's Maricopa County seems to have been marred with confounding setbacks at every turn," begins one such article published by The Western Journal. "Are they trying to validate claims that the election was stolen? Because this is how you validate claims that the election was stolen."

Step 3: Use the doubt to sow more doubt

The audit is a perfect example of how false information can be used to fuel more false information in a seemingly never-ending cycle.

Those fears were surely amplified by Trump's false rhetoric around election security last year. Now Republican lawmakers are using those fears to justify major changes to state voting laws, as many officials feared they would.

"I don't know what's legit, what isn't legit, but why wouldn't we want to answer those questions?" Karen Fann, the president of the Arizona state Senate who initiated the review of Maricopa County's results, said in an interview last week with CNN.

In some states, that may mean clamping down on voter access to chase a fraud bogeyman that doesn't exist.

In others, it may mean more of these sorts of "audits."

Three Republican state lawmakers from Pennsylvania visited the site of the Arizona recount Wednesday to observe the process.

State Sen. Doug Mastriano was among them, and while he declined to talk about the visit with The Associated Press, The Wall Street Journal and a local radio station, according to reporter Ali Vetnar, he granted one to OANN.

Private "audit" efforts are now sprouting in other swing states like Michigan, Georgia and Wisconsin.

"The incentive structure that has been created is one in which so far we've seen zero accountability for lying and pushing these narratives," Masterson, the former DHS official, said. "We don't see anyone really, truly being held accountable."

 

 

 

 

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Msg ID: 2692730 The lib Insurrection That Wasn’t  +1/-3     
Author:obumazombie
6/15/2021 12:54:34 PM

Reply to: 2692723

Jim Hoft

Senator Ron Johnson joined Mark Levin on Sunday night on Life, Liberty and Levin on FOX News. Senator Johnson was invited on to discuss the unconstitutional imprisonment of Jan. 6 protesters in Washington DC.  Senator Johnson says one-third of the protesters who entered the US Capitol at the West Terrace doorway were waved in by Capitol Police.

Senator Ron Johnson: We counted up to 309 individuals entering that door. Five police officers met them. There was no violence that we could tell. That is how about 38% of the 800 people entered the Capitol.On Thursday Ron Johnson sent a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland on the ongoing investigation of the hundreds of Americans rounded up by the FBI and DOJ.

Johnson then went on to attack those who banned hydroxychloroquine and were responsible for killing tens of thousands of Americans.

Video:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/senator-ron-johnsons-staff-looking-thru-14-hours-jan-6th-video-footage-38-800-protesters-waved-west-terrace-door-capitol-police-video/

Good job Goodlibs!

 

 



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Msg ID: 2692736 Ron Johnson Q-WI? LMFAO! +3/-1     
Author:Jett
6/15/2021 1:15:58 PM

Reply to: 2692730

Damn Zombie, I didn't think even you would go there, you're now on the Marjorie Greene level...



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Msg ID: 2692760 There Is Video Evidence, lib. If You Watch… +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/15/2021 2:52:05 PM

Reply to: 2692736

With your own eyes, you will see.

Just like so many other lies that you libz said Trump told, that just turned out to be lib lies about Trump lying.

You know, fake news, very fake news, and the enemy of the American people...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiUZroTQocs

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2692799 There's a Ton of video showing Extreme Right Trailer Trash... +2/-1     
Author:Jett
6/15/2021 6:53:36 PM

Reply to: 2692760

Assaulting our Capitol! I presented you with a list of everyone who has been arrested so far and I challenged you to find a "Lib" amongst them. You obviously could not or you would have.

Your theory was debunked early on after some other Extreme Right types like Ron Johnson claimed the same crap.

You are fake news...   



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Msg ID: 2692803 Arrests Are Not Proof That The Alleged… +0/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/15/2021 7:10:39 PM

Reply to: 2692799

Perp committed the alleged crime, now is it lib?
If that was the case, we could arrest anyone, and imprison them without trial, because no court in this countr6 has ever found anyone not guilty.

In fact, lib that is in essence what you have done.

You are confining suspects in solitary confinement, without bail, without trial, and for no alleged offense more serious than trespassing, lib.

In 3rd world countries, that is considered political persecution.

What do you think the same exact thing should be considered here, lib?

Should it be considered a...

 

Good job Goodlibs?



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Msg ID: 2692872 How about guilty pleas- 4 last time I checked +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2021 11:52:00 AM

Reply to: 2692803

Being arrested on the site of the trespass is kinda self-incriminating, ain't it? Anyhow, the convictions are coming.

 

Jon Schaffer, 'Lifetime Oath Keepers Member,' Is First to Plead Guilty in Capitol Riot
BY ALEXANDRA HUTZLER ON 4/16/21 AT 12:47 PM EDT

 

Paul Hodgkins, Tampa man who took selfie in Senate Chamber takes plea deal in Jan. 6 Capitol Riot case
LOCAL NEWS
by: Athina Morris, Justin Schecker

Posted: Jun 2, 2021 / 01:15 PM EDT / Updated: Jun 3, 2021 / 05:13 AM EDT

TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — The Tampa man who took a selfie in the Senate Chamber during the U.S. Capitol riot has pleaded guilty in connection to massive Department of Justice investigation into the Jan. 6 insurrection.

On Wednesday morning, 38-year-old Paul Hodgkins appeared at a virtual hearing before a federal judge in Washington, D.C. and pleaded guilty to one count of obstructing an official proceeding, according to court documents.

'“He stood up and said, I’m not making any excuses, what happened was wrong and I’m wrong,” Hodgkins defense attorney Patrick Leduc said. “He’s pled guilty.”

"Hodgkins, a supporter of former President Donald Trump, entered the U.S. Capitol with the mob of fellow Trump supporters who interrupted the certification of the 2020 electoral college results.

'“He got swept up like everybody else, got caught in the moment and followed the crowd,” Leduc said. “He walked in and he walked out.”

"Wearing a “Trump 2020” T-shirt and waving a Trump flag, he ventured into the Senate Chamber, took a “selfie” with his phone, then walked down to the Senate well, where several rioters, including Jacob Chansley, the so-called “QAnon Shaman,” were shouting, praying and cheering through a bullhorn."

 

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PUBLISHED MON, JUN 14 20214:55 PM EDTUPDATED MON, JUN 14 20217:07 PM EDT
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  • A married couple pleaded guilty to crimes related to their participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump.
  • Joshua and Jessica Bustle, who live in Bristow, Virginia, agreed to plead to a charge of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building in exchange for prosecutors agreeing to drop three other charges.
  • Jessica called then-Vice President Mike Pence a “traitor” and bragged “We stormed the Capitol” in a Facebook post.

 

 

What will you use as a rationalization after the other 400+ are convicted and their records of being Trumpist is clear?



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Msg ID: 2692920 Obstructing An Official Proceding; Not At … +1/-1     
Author:obumazombie
6/16/2021 4:45:20 PM

Reply to: 2692872

All what has been advertised by you libz. 

To make up for your shortcomings, just replace your scam with another...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2692818 I accept your callenge +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
6/15/2021 8:37:50 PM

Reply to: 2692799

JOHN SULLIVAN age 26,he is a liberal and arrested Assaulting the Capitol.  

You only asked for one, debunking your post

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2693011 However, multiple high-quality studies subsequently showed no benefit of h +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 11:28:22 AM

Reply to: 2692730

However, multiple high-quality studies subsequently showed no benefit of hydroxychloroquine use as post-exposure prophylaxis or as a COVID-19 treatment.



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Msg ID: 2692823 The truth is already out there +3/-2     
Author:Kraus
6/15/2021 9:14:17 PM

Reply to: 2692719

Trump got his head handed to him

For Pete sake, he lost GA

If that doesnt' tell you he got shelacked, I don't know what does

On another note, do you really believe 1/4 of what you post?



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