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Msg ID: 2693037 Old Guy Has Tried Very Valiantly To Shed… +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 1:06:49 PM

Some light on the obfuscation of the libz when it comes to CRT.

You might say that the libz ignorance on the subject along with their ignorance on economics, phonics, and many other critical subjects, could be combined into a compound word like ignoromics.

This is not the first time libz have used similar tactics to divide by race...

 

In 1997 there was a massive push to get a newly created “language” made official so it could be required in education and accepted everywhere. They called it “Ebonics”, the combination of Ebony (black) and Phonics (sound or language). In reality, it was an effort to gain funding for a huge government infrastructure to not only “make it OK” but actually make it important to  learn and  understand the language of the streets. The uneducated misuse of English, primarily in majority black communities.

Here’s an article I wrote about it at the time. This was submitted as a “letter to the Editor” for the Opinion page of the Los Angeles Times. I don’t think they ever printed it. Jim Cathcart My satirical tone should be evident, but, though tongue-in-cheek, I was quite serious about the faulty thinking behind this attempt to alter our society by lowering our standards for language and education. 

The reason I’m publishing it today is to draw your attention to the strategies, tactics and actions of those who are pushing yet another idea that cannot be documented with facts: Critical Race Theory. Likewise this applies to the racist concept called “The 1619 Project.” Letter to the Editor – In other words, “to whom it may concern.”

Author’s note: “Ebonics” is not a language. Treating it as such is an insult to the uneducated and an ineffective attempt to legitimize their ignorance. Taken seriously, and considering its broader implications, the following is worth your consideration.

In light of the recent flap over the so-called “Ebonics”, I feel it is imperative that someone speak up for the other neglected minorities. Several million citizens of this country are educationally handicapped by the fact that they grew up in an American subculture that has its own “language.”

Their access to the American Dream is limited by the fact that their teachers often don’t look like them and don’t speak the same language that they do. In fact, their teachers haven’t even been trained in how to relate “standard” English to the English variation spoken within their subculture. This causes feelings of inadequacy and low self-esteem.

We can’t continue to disenfranchise these citizens. They and their families work, vote and pay taxes in the United States and deserve equal access to a good public education. It is only right that we dedicate some of the public resources, money, to the creation of specialized training materials, teacher training seminars, teaching tools and increased public awareness of their problem. In this way they will feel more a part of the classes and be more likely to understand “standard” English.

Granted, only through the understanding and use of “standard” English will they be able to succeed. After all, the entire business community and media networks upon which our nation relies use “standard” English as their primary and, in most cases, only language. For that matter, the business community worldwide considers “standard” English the dominant language. Those who are not knowledgeable and skilled in the use of this language are indeed limited in their ability to get jobs, vote wisely, make sales, earn promotions, capture opportunities, solve problems, or just basically get by. We must correct this situation.

The disenfranchised groups to which I refer above are: Rednecks, Foul Mouths, Hicks, Hillbillies, Street people (formerly known as “Hoboes”), Women (girl talk), Men (guy talk), Spanglish-speakers and possibly even more. These folks deserve a break. Really. Each of them meets the basic criteria for consideration as a genuine subculture with its own language. Not slang mind you, but real languages.

  •         ; They have an identifiable culture. These cultures have endured for many generations. Their language is a matter of wide awareness and public record. Movies, books, How-to-speak-it manuals and tapes, famous figures (icons) and more have validated their worthiness for being considered a language.

For example: The Rednecks- Their look, behavior patterns, regional habitats, social strata, and language are widely acknowledged. They have worldwide roots and parallel subcultures. Comedian and actor Jeff Foxworthy has brought this to light most recently, but their roots go back to earlier years. Their language is called “Good Ole Bonics”, a combination of “good old boy” and “phonics”.

  •          Foul Mouths have the biggest problem of these groups. Their language, “Profanics”, (a combination of “profanity” and “phonics”) is widely known and in popular use. This is the longest lived of all the subcultures. Yet none of the existing education is geared to reaching them. They use words like “sh*t”, which has multiple meanings.

If used as “No Sh*t”, it either means, “I am not kidding you.” or “do you really mean that?” “Get your sh*t together” means “control yourself” or “get organized.” Their word “D*mn” could mean, “Wow!”, or “Oops”, or “That makes me mad” or half a dozen other things depending upon context.

  •          The Hicks can be recognized by their dress, grooming, areas of residence and by their language. Their roots can be traced to rural locales worldwide. “Hayseedonics” contains such words and phrases as: “Dad burn!” meaning “I’m surprised or disappointed.” “It ain’t, dun it!” which means “No that is not so. I’m emphatic about that.” Perhaps the greatest lie being perpetrated today is that “ain’t” isn’t a real word. Ask anyone who was ever exposed to “Hayseedonics” if they are aware of this word. I’ll bet 100% of the population will say “Yes I know ‘Ain’t’ and even use it occasionally.”

As you can easily see, we can’t afford to overlook the individual needs and unique cultural differences of any group.

So let’s see what we can agree on. How about this:

  • All citizens deserve access to a good education. If they or their families are contributing to our society or economy then they deserve a shot at success. If they are not members of our society, then they should be educated by that country or society to which they belong. Those who don’t yet “belong” anywhere must then make a commitment to someplace before they can expect it to make a commitment to them.
  • The general population should not be deprived of resources by requiring them to accommodate exceptional requests made by those from each subculture. (Paid for through extra taxes and fees.)
  • This is not about race, religion or subculture. It is about learning the American language, the one self-advancement skill that transcends all others in the world today.
  • There is no such language as “Ebonics” and there never was. It is merely a word recently coined to describe the vernacular used by ignorant (read “not aware”) people primarily in the black community in the United States. In fact it is defined as “black English.” Well if it is Black English, then call it that. But don’t try to sophisticate it by the creation of a new word accompanied by a request for special funding or training to help teachers learn it. That is de-education.

If you want to make a case for Black English, then first establish the criteria which it must meet in order to be considered a language. Once those criteria are agreed upon, then they must also be applied to Rednecks, Foul Mouths, and You-name-its too.

After all, we are talking about public money here. Mine and yours. If our money is to be spent on it, then it must be fair to all races and subcultures. Money must also be set aside to teach the new language to all students. To be fair, surely Yiddish (a genuine language by all standards) qualifies much more fully than any of the languages currently under consideration. Its roots are deeper, the number who speak it greater and its culture more strongly established. And what about the several dozen Native American languages which predate English in this country? Many other “sub” cultures would qualify as well.

Let’s all just grow up and realize that we can’t attend to every person and group as much as we would like to. No society has the resources to support every non-mainstream aspect of its culture. And if it did, then the citizens would have no incentive to distinguish themselves through achievement. Besides, if the individual has no personal responsibility to make adjustments, then there is no pride in the adjustment and any learning that takes place is only of token value.

         Surely we don’t need to train teachers in “baby talk” so that they can meet infants on their own level and help them transition into speaking actual words. There is no reasonable way on earth to dilute the public resources so thoroughly that all subcultures are accommodated fairly, except by requiring them to meet certain basic criteria on their own.

These are things such as:

Willingness to attend school during normal school hours. Desire to learn and consistent action to prove it. Appreciation of the fact that this education is being provided for them by the taxes paid by their neighbors and fellow citizens, you and me. Willingness to let the teachers teach and not interfere with them by demanding special attention beyond the teacher’s job description

Realizing that all people are self-made, but, as Earl Nightingale once said, “only the successful will admit it.”

In other words, we are all personally responsible for how we turn out.

Adults can make the world more accessible to children only to a point. That point is where the public resources, money and time, run out. From that point on, it is the individual’s responsibility to do what it takes.

Ask any well adjusted person from a limited or deprived background what it took for them to do so well. Without exception they will tell you that they took what they had, did their best with it and from there on, created their own opportunities through dedication, determination and hard work.

         So let’s take all the “languages” which grew out of ignorance of English and call them collectively, “Ignoronics.” Instead of dealing with them individually, treat them as a group. In this group of “languages” the common denominator is all of them are based on ignorance of English grammar. We can then offer a balanced menu of training which all can benefit from. Then every subgroup can still relate to it. That allows us to reach out to all subgroups without unfairly accommodating some while depriving others of such specialized attention. If we single out Black English for special attention, we ignore larger and possibly more deserving groups in the process. Let’s convert all who speak these many tongues into productive well adjusted citizens by showing them a better way to communicate and not by training our teachers to speak their “Ignoronics.”


The language of the left is a language all its own. Fortunately, there are a few conservatives like myself who can interpret the malicious meaning of all libese, so that libz can't hide behind semantics and rhetoric when they are demagogueing. Which is almost always. And always with an eye to a...

 

 Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2693045 Explain how Ebonics is related to Critical Race Theory? (NT) +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 1:30:06 PM

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Msg ID: 2693048 Read The Article, Then Ask Specific Questions… +0/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 1:41:22 PM

Reply to: 2693045

I am not supposed to spoon feed libz, although that would be the only way they would learn anything.

Trouble is, you libz just spit up any knowledge you might accidentally swallow when you are being spoon fed by a conservative...

 

LRry O'Connor

Democrats are attempting to gaslight the American people on the ongoing outrage over divisive Critical Race Theory (CRT) doctrine in government training and public school curricula. 

NBC News provides the perfect example of how they're trying to rewrite history and paint anyone who might be concerned over the extremist CRT agenda making its way into every facet of government and corporate diversity training as a racist conspiracy theorist:

 

part 1

 

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Msg ID: 2693052 I read it. Now explain how Ebonics is related to Critical Race Theory +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 1:57:47 PM

Reply to: 2693048

I read it. Now explain how Ebonics is related to Critical Race Theory, Mr Charley.



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Msg ID: 2693073 You Didn’t Read It, Most Probably. But Even… +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 3:06:07 PM

Reply to: 2693052

If you did, you didn't comprehend it.
The answer to your question is literally explained in the article.

You would have to be a dunce to have missed it.

Even a dunce, if they try hard enough can do a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2693080 I did read it. It feck all to do with CRT. But you wouldn't know that becau +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 3:15:24 PM

Reply to: 2693073

I did read it. It feck all to do with CRT. But you wouldn't know that because your handler doesn't know it or didn't tell you.

Here boy! Here boy! Here bot! Good boy!



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Msg ID: 2693084 Maybe You Read It, But I Doubt It. And Even… +1/-1     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 3:21:58 PM

Reply to: 2693080

If you did, you didn't comprehend it, now did you, lib?
Maybe because you are too McCarthyist, bigoted, racist, Alinskyist, Marxist, Trotskyist, Cloward/Pivenist and prejudiced.

And maybe you are concentrating too much on a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2693087 Explain it to me, Mr Charley. Use short words. +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 3:27:33 PM

Reply to: 2693084

Not complicated code like "... McCarthyist, bigoted, racist, Alinskyist, Marxist, Trotskyist, Cloward/Pivenist"



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Msg ID: 2693089 It’s Not My Job To Spoonfeed You, lib. It Is… +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 3:30:31 PM

Reply to: 2693087

Your job to do a...

 

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Msg ID: 2693092 Thank you for a polite admission of defeat. See you around. (NT) +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 3:32:15 PM

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Msg ID: 2693098 Your Gratitude, Such As It Is, Should Be … +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 3:48:15 PM

Reply to: 2693092

Directed towards your shortcomings in comprehension, and work ethic.

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2693116 Your Gratitude, Such As It Is, Should Be … +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 5:24:00 PM

Reply to: 2693098

"Directed towards your shortcomings in comprehension, and work ethic."

Only a Trumplican would be grateful for "... shortcomings in comprehension, and work ethic." It's so much easier to let Trump, other extreme right wing spokesmen tell you what to think. Just go right until that end of the spectrum stops and everything will be 'left' of your... whatever- reaction is negative, it doesn't take any intellect, does it? Trump isn't conservative, he has no political position.  He's politically reactionary, towards his further gain- money or power. If you're not 'for' him, you're against him, right?

 



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Msg ID: 2693123 Your Gratitude, Such As It Is, Should Be … +1/-1     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 5:55:12 PM

Reply to: 2693116

What are you even talking about, lib?
Except for beating up on you libz, which I loved, I don't care what conservative is in office.

I, unlike you, don't care about the cult of personality.

I care about conservative principles, unlike you.

I care about country first, unlike you.

I care about keeping libz like you out of office.

I don't know what you mean by political reactionary.

You seem to be the one reacting negatively to conservative principles.

Having absolute control over our borders.

Supporting Israel.

Nominating conservatives and constitutionalists to the Supreme Court.

Lowering taxes.

Shrinking the size and scope of the federal government.

Shrinking the welfare state.

Putting a bridle on institutions used against citizens.

The second amendment.

Eliminating affirmative action, and programs deleterious to minorities.

Keeping our children away from deviants.

Every single one of these items you oppose.

If you are a lib, you are supposed to. 
If you are a conservative, which you claim to be, you support conservative issues.

You are the one reacting.

You are the one disagreeing.

You are the one hung up on Trump.

And maybe in a way, Trump is a reaction to how much liberalism and leftism has had sway over this country.

You don't like that some people want traditions, border, culture, societal norms, morals, morays, herigage and he American way of life to be respected.

75 million people do, and they are tired of libz pushing them around because of their beliefs.

We get it.

You libz think leftism, open borders, globalism, political sexuality, and Marxism will make the world a better place.

We don't.

We think those ideas have been tried repeatedly, and have failed every time.

Our principles have made some places in the world into better places.

We want to offer them as an example of the best way to move the world forward, starting with putting our country first, just like every other country tries to do.

And that, in a nutshell is the antithesis of a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2693127 Your Gratitude, Such As It Is, Should Be … +1/-1     
Author:Old Guy
6/17/2021 6:35:18 PM

Reply to: 2693123

Very good post.

I have always considered capitalism the key to being a conservative and the free marketplace is like the goose that laid the golden egg.  No other country has excelled like the USA, using the free market.  I also believe the democrats are busy trying to kill that goose.



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Msg ID: 2693133 Your Gratitude, Such As It Is, Should Be … +1/-1     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 7:09:36 PM

Reply to: 2693127

Thanks Old Guy.

I really appreciate the level of economic knowledge and understanding you bring to the forum.

The libz are illiterate about accounting, supply and demand, macro and micro economics, and how policies affect, and are affected by all of the above.

Without you, especially on economic perspectives, the libz wouldn't know how badly they are failing at a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2693138 Your Gratitude, Such As It Is, Should Be … +2/-1     
Author:Old Guy
6/17/2021 8:24:22 PM

Reply to: 2693133

Thanks

I have no idea how they come up with some of the crap they post.  Like schools are free if you don't own property!

Economics is pretty simple if you remember that the person that always pays is the person that can't pass the charges on to the next consumer.  Basically the low man on the chart pays and pays.  That is why cost of living always moves up and down with cost to do business.  It is pretty simple, raise taxes - poor people pay, fuel cost go up - poor people pay, coffee costs more - poor people pay. On and on.  The left has never understood that,  all they hear is the tax rate on the rich, they think OH! good!,  they never considered the rich got the money from their pocket.  

I have been at work most of day in meetings discussing how to adjust fees when the Fed Reserve raises the prime rate.  We can adjust interest incoming and outgoing.  But the big problem is we do not know how far, or when the inflation will stop.  None of us think it will end very soon.  Anyway that is a prime example of how extra costs will be paid for by consumers, and some consumers can pass that cost off to their customers.



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Msg ID: 2693132 Your Gratitude, Such As It Is, Should Be … +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
6/17/2021 7:05:54 PM

Reply to: 2693123

Very good post.

I have always considered capitalism the key to being a conservative and the free marketplace is like the goose that laid the golden egg.  No other country has excelled like the USA, using the free market.  I also believe the democrats are busy trying to kill that goose.



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Msg ID: 2693082 All In The Name Of Community Organizing … +0/-1     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 3:18:48 PM

Reply to: 2693048

The bailiwick of libz...

 

While the efforts vary, they share strategies of disruption, publicity and mobilization. The groups swarm school board meetings, inundate districts with time-consuming public records requests and file lawsuits and federal complaints alleging discrimination against white students. They have become media darlings in conservative circles and made the debate over critical race theory a national issue.

NBC goes on to blame their favorite boogeyman, "Fox News," for amping up the attention on an issue the Left would have preferred to stay under the radar and in the shadows. The last thing they were expecting was for American parents to actually see the divisive and destructive direction their children were being led as they are instructed to acknowledge their "white privilege." 

As children in classrooms across the nation are divided into 6-year-old "oppressors" and 6-year-old "pressed," parents are finally saying enough is enough.  Meanwhile, Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic candidate for governor in Virginia, went to a tired playbook when faced with a question about the controversy over CRT training in Virginia schools.  "That's another right-wing conspiracy," he said.

This is totally made up by Donald Trump and Glenn Youngkin. This is who they are. It's a conspiracy theory."  McAuliffe doesn't know any new tricks to deceive Virginia voters into thinking he's not a radical, social justice warrior like so many in the Democratic Party, so he's had to fall back on that Clinton-era golden oldie, "The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." I mean, why not? It worked so well for Hillary, right? 

One big thing is getting in the way of the NBC News and Terry McAuliffe's rewriting of history here. It's a little thing called "The Truth."  NBC News's assertion that concerns over CRT are some kind of "new conservative cause célèbre" that's just being exploited by political opportunists is belied by the fact that many in the conservative commentariat have been warning about this anti-intellectual and demeaning agenda for nearly a decade. 

Andrew Breitbart began work on a series of articles about CRT back in early 2012, just before his death. Writers like Alex Marlow, John Nolte, Joel Pollack, Ben Shapiro, Dana Loesch, and this author participated in exposing Prof. Henry Louis Gates's brainchild and how it influenced his favorite student at Harvard, Barack Obama. 

Since then, reams of digital content have been written about CRT and its influential grasp on university campuses and in public school classrooms. To suggest that it's some newfangled political trend for angry, dispossessed conservatives is just a flat-out lie.  But, that lie doesn't hold a candle to McAuliffe and his Virginia Democrats. 

For months, they've been echoing Terry's ham-handed "right-wing conspiracy theory" slander by denying that CRT had any influence or role in the curricula or the training of public school teachers.  "LCPS is not indoctrinating students using critical race theory. Critical race theory is not a part of the curriculum," said Interim Superintendent Scott Ziegler recently when faced with the uproar from parents in the Northern Virginia DC suburb. 

Most corporate propagandists in the mainstream media have taken Ziegler's denials as Gospel truth and repeated his political talking point to paint concerned parents as McAuliffe's "conspiracy theorists." Those fragile, white Trumpers are just terrified to lose all their privilege, so they're making up lies about CRT for political weaponry," they'd claim. 
The lie would've held if it weren't for a pesky bill-paying system in the Loudoun County school district.  Tuesday, an invoice was uncovered that showed that the district paid for something referenced as "Critical Race Theory Development," according to Fox News.
Here's the invoice that shows Loudoun County Public Schools paying for "Critical Race Theory Development" https://foxnews.com/us/virginia-loudoun-officials-acknowledge-critical-race-theory-influences-work>
 
 
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Ben Paviour
 
@BPaves
No, Loudoun County is not teaching CRT, reports @ardzes. "It has become politicized by people who don’t really understand critical race theory," says VCU prof @BelgraveFaye. "They have been using it for political division." https://vpm.org/news/articles/22982/false-claims-of-critical-race-theory-in-virginia-schools-spark-resistance

It's the same pattern over and over again: 

  • The Left pushes a radical agenda upending basic norms of the American culture. 
  • Conservatives cry foul and push back, rallying talk radio and cable news commentariat to point out the extremism and build support in opposition.
  • The media lies and claims that conservatives are "starting a culture war over a conspiracy theory." 

Lather, rinse, repeat. Only this time, there are literal receipts exposing their lies. And, this time, they're messing with our children. 

EXPOSED, libz.

More exposed than a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!

 



 



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Msg ID: 2693086 That article mentions Critical Race Theory. How was the article posted at  +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 3:24:56 PM

Reply to: 2693082

That article mentions Critical Race Theory. How was the article posted at the start of this thread relate to Critical Race Theory?



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Msg ID: 2693099 It Was Part II Of A 2 Part Presentation lib … +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 3:51:10 PM

Reply to: 2693086

Deal with it, lib.

Deal with a...

 

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Msg ID: 2693107 It Was Part II Of A 2 Part Presentation lib … +1/-2     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2021 4:47:54 PM

Reply to: 2693099

"Deal with it, lib."

I just did. Don't step in it as you pass.



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Msg ID: 2693124 It Was Part II Of A 2 Part Presentation lib … +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/17/2021 5:56:27 PM

Reply to: 2693107

What?
The load of BS you leave everywhere, lib?
Good job Goodlibs!



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