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Msg ID: 2693481 To Crow +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
6/20/2021 9:25:30 AM

You post it was a good start for Biden to reverse Trumps executive orders.  It is time for you to defend your point of view.  So start by answering questions this question?

Do you think is is right or wrong to protect American Monuments?

 

2hd time I have asked.



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Msg ID: 2693549 First, last and always- the mob is always wrong. I'm sorry that the police  +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/20/2021 6:32:56 PM

Reply to: 2693481

First, last and always- the mob is always wrong. I'm sorry that the police have to bear the brunt of ou culture war.

Next, what 'monuments' are you referring to 'protecting'?  Almost all the civil monuments in the South were erected with the intention of provocation; and as monuments to people who tried to destroy the United States of America. Add that their intention was to continue to use people as property.

An exagerated analogy- a monument to Hitler in Israel just wouldn't work.



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Msg ID: 2693577 Again you don’t know what you are posting about +2/-3     
Author:oldguy
6/20/2021 8:08:18 PM

Reply to: 2693549

The issue is Biden reversing Trumps executive orders.  And he srewed up reversing most all of them, Biden appears to be wrong on every issue.  And you asking  "What monuments are you referring to". Means you have again made up your mind and do not know what the executive order was about.  How in the hell can you make up your mind and post negative things about Trump and not even know or understand what the issue is. 

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2693631 Do you think is is right or wrong to protect American Monuments? +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/21/2021 11:42:50 AM

Reply to: 2693577

"What monuments are you referring to". Means you have again made up your mind and do not know what the executive order was about.  How in the hell can you make up your mind and post negative things about Trump and not even know or understand what the issue is."

Oh, I understand the text, subtext or Trump and Trumpism pretty freakin' well. And I've lived in the South long enough to know exactly the nature of the monuments you're worried about. A lot of my neighbors and local relatives are supporters of the gallant 'Lost Cause'. Talk to them about 'The War' and it ain't a remote, historical event. Many will not allow the slavery aspect into the discussion, it was 'states rights'. To have enslavement, yeah, but that ain't it!

They look at heroes like Lee, Jackson (He's a local boy) solely theough the lens of their fights in the war. I admire the individuals but not the cause. And there it is: Trump isn't a philsophical sort. Perhaps he likes statuary and heroes and never thinks about what it is they did. That would be my guess seeing his admiration for Putin, other autocrats.

The fact that they were fighting to destroy the USA isn't significant  to "lost Causers" because it didn't happen and they exist in the unexamined reality of the surving United States prosperity. They can't imagine the different America had the Secession been successful.

Would slavery still exist? It's likely because the powerful never relax their grip on power voluntarily, even though the thoughtful slave-owners imagined a future without enslavement- a distant future. The Slave States would be even poorer than they are now, after the destruction in The War- slavery impoverishes the producers who can't afford slave labor.



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Msg ID: 2693645 Your Thesis Has Little Merit When It Is Met… +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/21/2021 12:42:02 PM

Reply to: 2693631

With the fact that the first slave holder in the US was black, 3,500 slaves holders were black, and owned 10,000 slaves.

It wasn't racism, lib, it was immoral, and in the long run, inefficient economics, lib.

And it was the lib/dems who not only promoted that, but all the racist policies.

If you really care about minorities, you would stop promoting leftist lib policies, and start promoting conservative policies.

But that will never happen, because you are a lib, and the only thing a lib cares about is a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2693672 Your Thesis Has Little Merit When It Is Met… +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/21/2021 3:30:29 PM

Reply to: 2693645

"It wasn't racism, lib, it was immoral, and in the long run, inefficient economics, lib."

I think you're more than a little confused: it was particulary AFRICAN slavery that was at issue up to the Civil War.

The economics of African slavery are still argued.

"And it was the lib/dems who not only promoted that, but all the racist policies."  

You're going to have a historical problem with that assertion- every president up to Lincoln, owned slaves at one time or another, except Adams. Democrat and Whig, alike.

 



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Msg ID: 2693680 Your Thesis Has Little Merit When It Is Met… +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
6/21/2021 5:19:09 PM

Reply to: 2693672

You can explain the issue, bu I am the one who is confused.

Got it.

As a party, not as single individuals here and there, you libz were the ones tha supported, promoted, defended, and justified slavery in America before you went on to codify it by force of law.

Its a fact you libz can't escape from, and even now, you refuse to own up to it, and you continue to act out racist beliefs and attitudes.

Quit trying to save us, lib.

Your brand of rescue is harming and killing us, lib.

You might think it's not, but it is a...

 

 Good job Goodlibs!



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