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Msg ID: 2695544 Sharia For Thee Not For Me Or Those Who… +0/-3     
Author:obumazombie
7/7/2021 9:42:44 PM

Won't bend the knee...

 

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A judge in Texas earlier this year effectively denied a U.S. citizen her constitutionally protected due process rights, choosing instead to order her to appear before an Islamic tribunal where her testimony is considered inferior. And when her lawyers sounded the alarm — the judge doubled down.

What are the details?

In March, Collin County District Judge Andrea Thompson ordered a Muslim woman seeking a divorce from her husband to undergo arbitration not through regular channels but through an Islamic court, also known as a Fiqh Panel — a move that the woman's lawyers argue is an obvious and unconscionable affront to her constitutional rights.

The woman, Mariam Ayad, was attempting to exercise her legal right to a divorce last year when her husband, Ayad Hashim Latif, revealed that on the day of their wedding in 2008, she had signed an Islamic prenuptial agreement to have all matters regarding the marriage and divorce be decided according to Sharia law. According to court documents, Mariam claims that she was essentially hoodwinked and defrauded into signing the document.

At the time, she believed she was signing two copies of a marriage acknowledgment form, which is customary in Muslim cultures.  Notwithstanding, Mariam's lawyers argue the agreement — which outlines that a three-man panel of Muslim imams are to decide all issues relating to the marriage, including alimony, division of property, child support, and even custody of the couple's 6-year-old son — ought to be voided in lieu of U.S. law. A copy of the agreement was provided to TheBlaze.

The Texas district judge — in complete disregard of both federal and state law — ruled that the prenuptial agreement is binding, without taking testimony from the wife.  In absence of relief, Mariam will now be required to settle her divorce matters with the Islamic Association of North Texas in front of the Muslim clerics who view her testimony and evidence as carrying half the weight as a man's.

Mariam has filed a writ of mandamus with the Fifth Court of Appeals in Dallas to restrict the lower court from enforcing the arbitration order. She is being represented by Michelle O'Neil and Michael Wysocki of the O'Neil Wysocki law firm in Dallas.

What changes did the judge make?

Moreover, court documents obtained by TheBlaze show that Thompson vacated the original March order after Mariam's lawyers challenged it. But instead of changing the order's effect, the judge seemed to have merely changed some of the wording to make it appear less controversial. "It is therefore ordered that Respondent's Motion to Enforce Islamic Prenuptial Agreement and Refer Case to Muslim Court or Fiqh Panel...

 is granted and the Court refers the case to a Muslim Court or Fiqh Panel for [Alternative Dispute Resolution]," the court order dated March 24, which was viewed by TheBlaze, said. An updated order, dated June 14, removed words such as "Islamic," "Muslim," and "Fiqh," but reiterated the court's decision. "The Court has no discretion but to enforce the agreement of the parties in their Prenuptial Agreement signed on December 26, 2008, and refer the parties to arbitration per the terms of their agreement," the June order states. "Never in my life have I ever seen a judge do that," Wysocki said in a phone conversation.

Anything else?

The strange case serves as an example of the incompatibility that exists between American law and Islamic Sharia law and the clash that can occur when the two systems are juxtaposed. What's especially unacceptable in this case, according to Mariam's lawyers, is that a U.S. district judge would force an individual to undergo arbitration in accordance with a foreign legal system contrary to the laws of the country of which she is a citizen.

"As a society, we are long past the days when women needed permission from their husbands to get a divorce. Our United States Constitution gives each American woman citizen the right to marry but also the right to divorce," O'Neil told TheBlaze in a statement. "Judge Thompson's ruling requires this American woman citizen to submit to a non-American, unconstitutional, male-run, Muslim religious court to ask for permission to divorce her husband where her right to a divorce could very well be denied to her under Sharia law's family code."

Wysocki added: "We just celebrated the birthday of our country — the day that we remember the freedoms we possess from being Americans. Preservation of our America way of life is important. Our US Constitution is important. Our American courts are important. As long as I have breath, I will defend and support our Constitution and the rights of women in our American courts.

I will fight against any judge anywhere that thinks it is acceptable to force an American citizen to have her rights determined by a Fiqh Court, before a three-man panel, applying sharia law. That's never going to be OK on my watch." Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has spoken in regard to cases where state judges consider foreign laws, particularly Sharia law.

In doing so, he affirmed that courts should not apply "foreign law" when "doing so violates a party's right to due process or the clearly established public policy of this State." O'Neil and Wysocki noted that at this juncture the ball is with the Fifth Court of Appeals. But they said they plan to file in the Texas Supreme Court in the next phase of the process.

 

You apologists better get to work whitewashing this, as you have said you don't care about civil rights of US Citizens.

Mostly because you care more a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695545 Sharia For Thee Not For Me Or Those Who… +0/-2     
Author:obumazombie
7/7/2021 9:50:37 PM

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^Phil^
Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695556 Sharia For Thee Not For Me Or Those Who… +0/-2     
Author:obumazombie
7/8/2021 12:18:25 AM

Reply to: 2695544

The peaceful minority is irrelevant...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpcLZ8PbWWs

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695575 Have you ever heard of an "Arbitration Clause"? You probably have signed  +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/8/2021 9:52:59 AM

Reply to: 2695544

Have you ever heard of an "Arbitration Clause"? You probably have signed contracts with arbitration clauses.

This is exactly that, a prenup with an arbitration clause. From your post:

"The woman, Mariam Ayad, was attempting to exercise her legal right to a divorce last year when her husband, Ayad Hashim Latif, revealed that on the day of their wedding in 2008, she had signed an Islamic prenuptial agreement to have all matters regarding the marriage and divorce be decided according to Sharia law. According to court documents, Mariam claims that she was essentially hoodwinked and defrauded into signing the document."



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Msg ID: 2695593 I Have Heard Of An Arbitration Clause. +0/-2     
Author:obumazombie
7/8/2021 11:31:30 AM

Reply to: 2695575

Have you ever heard that your constitutional rights cannot by superseded by any other agreement?
How did I know that you would justify creeping sharia?
I am a bit surprised you didn't make the case that. This issue could be resolved with a good old fashioned honor killing, that would then be immune from US law.

I should have expected such an expert apologist could whitewash any aspect of the muzzie religion, then I wouldn't be disappointed in a fellow American that would so easily cede constitutional rights.

That secession was deftly maneuvered...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695595 I Have Heard Of An Arbitration Clause. +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/8/2021 11:48:14 AM

Reply to: 2695593

"Have you ever heard that your constitutional rights cannot by superseded by any other agreement?"

But first you are bound by contract, your promise, to accept arbitration.

 

"I am a bit surprised you didn't make the case that. This issue could be resolved with a good old fashioned honor killing, that would then be immune from US law."

I have never endorsed honor killing, pucknutz, so you are a liar again.

 

"I should have expected such an expert apologist could whitewash any aspect of the muzzie religion, then I wouldn't be disappointed in a fellow American that would so easily cede constitutional rights."

Contracts are enforceable under the Constitution. A pre-nup stipulating the acceptance of arbitration is enforceable. Arbitration decisions are litigated in courts all the time. So, in your twisted view, the Constitution is a "... whitewash... of the muzzie religion"



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Msg ID: 2695621 I Have Heard Of An Arbitration Clause. +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
7/8/2021 2:12:26 PM

Reply to: 2695595

No contract that contains unconstitutional restraints can be enforced lib.

That you don't know that makes you ignorant.

That you know it, and in your role as an apologist you excuse and dismiss it is not only warped, but un American.

Not even a nice try at a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695638 Again, a TrumpeRINO who knows law better than a judge. +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/8/2021 4:56:43 PM

Reply to: 2695621

Contracts are enforceable, including agreement to refer to arbitration. Either side can take it to court, but as the judge ruled:

"In March, Collin County District Judge Andrea Thompson ordered a Muslim woman seeking a divorce from her husband to undergo arbitration not through regular channels but through an Islamic court, also known as a Fiqh Panel — a move that the woman's lawyers argue is an obvious and unconscionable affront to her constitutional rights."

One pays attorneys to offer opinions that may or may not be upheld in court. The judge ruled that the contract be honored, referred the case to arbitration. After which either of both parties may appeal to a court.

It's contractual, even though the referral is to an Islamic court, the issue was agreed by a pre-nuptial agreement.



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Msg ID: 2695639 Again, A lib Who Claims To Know That The … +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
7/8/2021 5:01:45 PM

Reply to: 2695638

Constitution cannot be breached by any contract.

And a lib who thinks it's okay for sharia to pre empt the constitution.

It can't.

What it can do is shine a light on a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695645 Again, A lib Who Claims To Know That The … +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/8/2021 6:23:01 PM

Reply to: 2695639

"Constitution cannot be breached by any contract."

But one agrees to certain considerations in return for certain benefits. In this case, the potential marriage was contingent on an agreement to religious arbitration.



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Msg ID: 2695661 Again, A lib Who Claims To Know That The … +0/-3     
Author:obumazombie
7/8/2021 8:08:07 PM

Reply to: 2695645

In this case, they were married under our laws, and our constitutional rights, and they cannot be abridged.

No pre nuptials can supersede those.

Any such agreement that seeks to bypass those rights is not enforceable by sharia or any other law even a set of laws.

Until you libz manage to get the sharia codified into law or an amendment to the constitution, no one will be compelled to be governed by it.

Nor should they.

Just as there is fundamental right to marry, there is a fundamental right to divorce, whether it be by final judgment, bifurcation, or trifurcation.

And, even though conservatives totally oppose it, there is a fundamental right to a...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695670 You ignore the whole point of contract. (NT) +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/8/2021 9:05:29 PM

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Msg ID: 2695724 Driveby! +1/-2     
Author:obumazombie
7/9/2021 11:42:16 AM

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Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2695727 That's the whole message: You ignore the whole point of contract. (NT) +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/9/2021 11:47:23 AM

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Msg ID: 2695790 Driveby! +1/-1     
Author:obumazombie
7/9/2021 5:12:14 PM

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Good job Goodlibs!



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