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Msg ID: 2695783 Trump has set a legal ‘trap’ for himself with big tech lawsuit, Watergate l +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/9/2021 4:40:29 PM

Donald J. "Foot in mouth" Trump doesn't know when to shut up.

But, as another commentator observed "We're talking abot him." Which got him elected once before.

Trump has set a legal ‘trap’ for himself with big tech lawsuit, Watergate lawyer says

‘Make him deal with the trap he created for himself’, former White House counsel during Watergate says

Graig Graziosi
1 day ago
 
An attorney who served in the White House during the Watergate scandal claims that Donald Trump's lawsuit against Google, Facebook and Twitter may have inadvertently snared the former president in a trap of his own making.

John Dean, the White House legal counsel under former President Richard Nixon, was dubbed the "master manipulator" of the infamous burglary by the FBI. In the end he cooperated with prosecutors and played a major part in the investigation that eventually brought down Mr Nixon. 

On Wednesday, Mr Trump announced he is suing Google, Facebook and Twitter for banning his accounts, and claimed that they could pay "trillions" in damages.

Political commentator Keith Olbermann pointed out when you sue someone, you have to give deposition concerning the topic of the lawsuit.

"In this case, like [Mr Trump's] role inspiring the 1/6 coup," he wrote in a tweet.

He called the lawsuit the "dumbest thing Trump has ever done”.

Mr Dean picked up on this and added his own hopes for the case to be televised.

"This should be a nationally televised deposition ... Please schedule it next week. Don't move to dismiss, which would be the normal move. Make him deal with the trap he created for himself. He will lose on the merits!" Mr Dean wrote.

Many legal observers believe that Mr Trump's lawsuit will ultimately go nowhere, but is instead a means for him to rally his base and fundraise.

Mr Trump and his allies, including his son Donald Trump Jr, have been asking supporters to donate money to aid in the lawsuit.

Shortly after he announced the lawsuits, the former president sent out "breaking news alert" texts directly to followers asking them to donate to his Save America PAC. 

“Pres Trump: I am SUING Facebook & Twitter for UNCONSTITUTIONAL CENSORSHIP. For a short time, 5x-IMPACT on all gifts! Donate NOW,” one of the messages read.

Some users on Twitter questioned why Mr Trump, a self-proclaimed billionaire, would need to fundraise from his supporters.

"Tell him to help me out. His [sic] a billionaire. Help my back," one user wrote. "Help a billionaire are you joking? You all a psyop."

Another user wrote "so wait, you have to DONATE in order for your dad to sue? He is a BILLIONAIRE! Something isn't adding up here."



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Msg ID: 2695784 Donald Trump’s Social-Media Lawsuits Are Nonsense +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/9/2021 4:44:19 PM

Reply to: 2695783
But, hey! We're talking about him, right? And this plays to his base who hate technology, science.
 

Donald Trump’s Social-Media Lawsuits Are Nonsense

 

Former President Trump speaks at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., July 7, 2021. (Eduardo Munoz/Reuters)
His class-action lawsuits are a frivolous abuse of the judicial process.
 

NRPLUS MEMBER ARTICLEJust because something is bad does not mean it should be illegal. And just because something should be illegal does not mean it is. Lawyers are supposed to know this. The lawsuits filed by Donald Trump against Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are complaints about things that are not against the law. These cases should be thrown out immediately, and most likely will be. Anybody who puts money or faith behind these suits is getting scammed.

Trump, with the aid of his America First Policy Institute, has filed civil class-action lawsuits in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida (the federal court in Miami) against TwitterFacebook, and YouTube. The suits claim that the companies have violated the First Amendment by banning or suspending Trump and others from their platforms. Somebody seems to have missed what the First Amendment says: “Congress shall make no law” restricting the freedom of speech. The First Amendment is now applied to all levels of government, but it does not apply to private companies, and no amount of creative lawyering will change that.

There are legitimate reasons to be concerned that a few social-media giants have too much power over the access of Americans to platforms for public debate. There are particular reasons for conservatives to be concerned that these companies exercise that power in ways that are arbitrary and biased. A society that loses respect for the value of free speech, after all, will eventually surrender the legal protection of that speech. A society in which a handful of politically monolithic corporations can decide what speech is permissible will degrade that respect in a hurry. There are fair debates about whether there are ways for the government to solve these problems without the cures being worse than the disease.

 

But under very longstanding principles of American law, private companies are not the government, and they are not required to play by the same rules as the government. There are good reasons for this: If you break YouTube’s terms of service, YouTube will not send armed agents to your door to shoot you or lock you up. The First Amendment only restricts the government. The same is true of the rest of the Constitution, with the singular exception of the 13th Amendment’s ban on slavery.

There are two big, glaring problems that run throughout these complaints. I will use the Twitter complaint as an example, since all three pursue identical legal theories and are identical in many respects.

Not State Action

All three complaints rely on a completely insane theory of state action. “State action” is the essential element of a constitutional complaint: that the censorship, discrimination, or other injury you complain about was the work of the government. Trump’s complaints offer a two-pronged theory of “state action.” Both are entirely inconsistent with case law, the Constitution, and the Anglo-American tradition.

The first prong of Trump’s legal theory of state action is the claim that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, 47 U.S.C. § 230 — a statutory safe harbor from certain kinds of lawsuits — amounts to “unconstitutional authority delegated to [Twitter] by Congress,” because it “enabled . . . Twitter to grow into a commercial giant” and therefore “Twitter’s status thus rises beyond that of a private company to that of a state actor.” This is similar to the bad legal theory I wrote about last month in a suit against Major League Baseball:

[Constitutional] lawsuits require a showing that the defendant’s conduct amounted to state action. That has occasionally ensnared the intersection between powerful private businesses and the state, but usually only when either the business is carrying out state dictates (thus, indirectly acting for the state) or the state is enforcing private choices (thus, effectively adopting them). As an example of the latter, in the 1972 case of Lavoie v. Bigwood, the First Circuit found that a trailer park’s racially discriminatory policies became state action when the sheriff was called to enforce them. But the Supreme Court, as far back as its decision in Jackson v. Metropolitan Edison Co. (1974), concluded that a power company with a state-backed monopoly was not the state, at least not for purposes of its decisions to terminate electric service from a customer without due process of law.

If it is not state action to get banned by your power utility company, it’s not state action to get banned by Twitter, either.

The theory is even flimsier here; at least MLB is a specific recipient of a government exemption from the antitrust laws, granted at a time when it already possessed an effective monopoly. Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube did not even exist when Section 230 was enacted — two of them did not exist until a decade later — and they had to climb over numerous competitors in a crowded market before they obtained their current positions. Nobody would have argued that any of these companies was a state actor in 2007; the fact that they have grown in the marketplace since, at the expense of competitors who benefited from the same Section 230 protections, does not change that one whit.

Moreover, remember the two main things Section 230 actually does. One is to protect platforms from being liable for everything said by other people on their sites. That’s a rule that most common-law courts would probably have come around to anyway, but Section 230 makes it a clearer, cleaner defense to assert at the outset of a case. That immunity makes platforms more, rather than less, willing to host speech by all sorts of people.

The more controversial piece, which Trump bizarrely asks the court to declare “unconstitutional on its face,” is that Section 230(c)(2) immunizes platforms from liability for banning content from their platforms, and makes clear that they can use their judgment to ban things — Congress had in mind pornography — that the government itself might not be able to ban from its own platforms. But what liability could they face anyway? Section 230 does not immunize Internet platforms from lawsuits for breaching their own user contracts (although those are typically written to give broad latitude to the companies). Without Section 230, social-media platforms would still be private companies that are not bound by the First Amendment. True, the preemptive force of Section 230 limits states from creating new causes of action in this area, but most states have no such laws. Section 230 offers a quick escape hatch from a lot of nuisance litigation, but the actual amount of liability it eliminates is fairly modest, and hardly enough to convert its beneficiaries into secret agents of the federal government.

There are fair arguments about reforming Section 230. But there is simply no support in the law for claiming, as Trump does, that its existence converts social-media companies into state actors. Trump says that Section 230 is “an unconstitutional delegation of power Congress cannot exercise,” but that gives away the game: The companies are not exercising a congressional power, but the power of any private owner to exclude unwanted people from its property. The government is not responsible for a decision it “permits but does not compel.” Flagg Bros., Inc. v. Brooks (1978).

 

Perhaps recognizing that Section 230 itself does not turn Twitter into an arm of the government, Trump’s lawyers try a second tack: They argue that persistent legislative pressure on social-media companies means that they were essentially acting as a cat’s paw for Congress in banning Trump and in formulating their inconsistently applied banning policies. This argument, at least, has some common-sense force: There is no question that there was public pressure on these companies, and that legislative jawboning and threats to revoke Section 230 influenced their decisions. But, again, this is not a viable legal theory of state action.

As then-justice William Rehnquist wrote for the Supreme Court in Blum v. Yaretsky (1982), “a State normally can be held responsible for a private decision only when it has exercised coercive power or has provided such significant encouragement, either overt or covert, that the choice must in law be deemed to be that of the State.” That means government control, not just government influence; indeed, the Court in Blum rejected Justice William Brennan’s argument that government incentives or implicit threats were enough to show that heavily regulated businesses (in Blum, nursing homes) were state actors. Legislators lean on private companies all the time in order to influence their decisions, but by itself, that does not show state action. After all, companies do not always listen to what members of Congress say, given how often legislators huff and puff but do not actually pass new laws. Indeed, the complaint details years of efforts by Democrats to get Trump kicked off Twitter, yet only in the immediate aftermath of the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, did Twitter actually do so.

The Second Circuit was, in my view, way off base in ruling that Trump’s Twitter was a public forum for First Amendment purposes, precluding him from blocking people while he was using it in his official capacity as president. The fact that a private company had the superior power all along to disable features of Trump’s account or ban him altogether showed the absurdity of that theory. But Trump, at least, was unquestionably a state actor at the time, and the public/private line in state-action law is clearer than in First Amendment public-forum law.

 
 

Put simply, because there is no state action, these lawsuits should be dead on arrival.

Not a Class Action, Either

Even if Trump’s lawsuits were not fatally defective, they also have no business being framed as class actions. Among the essential elements of a class action are that the named plaintiff who brings the lawsuit is similarly situated to the other members of the class, brings claims typical of the class, and is not subject to unique defenses that would threaten to become the focus of the litigation. None of this is true of Donald Trump, who very famously is the focus of anything he sets foot in.

Trump says right up front that he used Twitter as “an instrument of his presidency.” Most Twitter users do not. Indeed, in a neat bit of rhetorical jujitsu, he cites the Second Circuit’s decision as proof that his tweets “were, in fact, official presidential statements made in a ‘public forum.’” He says that he was harmed by being deprived of “(1) daily communications necessitated by his unquestioned position as head of the Republican Party; (2) campaigning for Republican 2022 candidates; (3) fundraising for the Republican Party; [and] (4) laying a foundation for a potential 2024 Presidential campaign.” And his theory of congressional pressure on Twitter cites numerous specific examples of members of Congress and Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey discussing whether to ban Trump from the platform — a level of governmental and senior-management interest that is unique to Trump. In the unlikely event that these lawsuits got past the pleading stage, any court in its right mind would recognize that the issues specific to Trump would totally dominate the case.

Moreover, the class is defined as “All Twitter platform Members who reside in the United States, and between June 1, 2018, and today, had their access to their social media accounts wrongly restricted or curtailed by these Defendants and who were damaged thereby.” (Emphasis added). Now, the complaint seems to define “wrongly” simply to mean that Twitter should not have the legal power to limit anybody’s Twitter account for any reason. But even if the First Amendment governed banning decisions, the government sometimes has the right to kick people off of public forums for reasons that have nothing to do with their opinions. Arguments over whether Twitter bans were improper would drag the court into decisions about whether each class member’s ban was actually “wrongful.” After all, as the Supreme Court recently held in Ramirez v. TransUnion, a class cannot include people who suffered no legal harm. But the question of the wrongfulness of any individual ban will be a fact-intensive question that cannot possibly be generalized across all members of a class.

If Donald Trump wants to write op-eds calling for Section 230 reform, that is his right. The issue is a legitimate one. His class-action lawsuits, however, are a frivolous abuse of the judicial process.

 
DAN MCLAUGHLIN is a senior writer at National Review Online
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Msg ID: 2695785 Trump's Big Tech lawsuits contain lies and absurd claims. But hey, we're ta +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/9/2021 4:48:55 PM

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As I said in a previous post, attorneys are allowed to use outlandish words- as long as they are not under oath. Trump has never had a problem with that. He says whatever he wants to say, true or false, verifiable,  rational, consistent, whatever suits his purose in that moment.

Trump's Big Tech lawsuits contain lies and absurd claims. But hey, we're talking about him.

The lawsuits are factually and legally suspect and contend, wrongly, that it was unconstitutional for Facebook, Twitter and YouTube to suspend Trump.

Chris Truax
Opinion columnist
 
When former President Donald Trump’s lawyers go to court these days, they aren’t so much worried about winning their case as they are about losing their law license while they desperately hunt for some way to satisfy their client’s legally absurd demands without violating the rules of legal ethics. This isn’t an easy tightrope to walk. Just ask Rudy Giuliani. Sadly, Trump’s new lawyer in Florida, Matthew Baldwin, seems to be picking up where Giuliani left off.

Trump filed lawsuits Wednesday against YouTube, Twitter and Facebook, each purporting to be a class action. Each claimed that the defendant had violated the First Amendment and each claimed that Trump’s bête noire, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, is unconstitutional.

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Even a cursory review of these lawsuits reveals big problems. The complaint in the Facebook lawsuit claims that on May 5, Rep. Adam Schiff, chair of the House Intelligence Committee, tweeted in reference to Donald Trump that “Facebook must ban him.” That’s true. Schiff did tweet that.

Doctored Schiff tweets

Here’s the tweet in full: “There's no Constitutional protection for using social media to incite an insurrection. Trump is willing to do anything for himself no matter the danger to our country. His big lies have cost America dearly. And until he stops, Facebook must ban him. Which is to say, forever.”

But in the lawsuit against Twitter, the very same tweet is quoted as saying: “There’s no Constitutional protection for using social media to incite an insurrection. Trump is willing to do anything for himself no matter the danger to our country. His big lies have cost America dearly. And until he stops, Twitter must ban him. Which is to say, forever.” (Emphasis added.)

In the YouTube lawsuit, the tweet has been doctored yet again to refer to YouTube.

Lying in a complaint is obviously a very bad thing and will get you sanctioned under Rule 11 in federal court. And it’s hard to spin altering a publicly available tweet – not once but twice, in two different lawsuits filed by the same attorney on the same day – as anything other than knowing and intentional.

Even worse than unethical and unprofessional, it’s an astoundingly stupid thing to do, especially in high-profile lawsuits like these. Did Trump’s legal team really think that nobody would notice?

Former President Donald Trump announces lawsuits against Facebook, Twitter and YouTube in Bedminster, N.J., on July 7, 2021.
 

Things go downhill from there. The question isn’t whether this lawsuit is a winner (it isn’t) but whether the judge will use the f-word – frivolous – when dismissing it.

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Trump makes two claims. First, that Twitter, Facebook and YouTube each is a “state actor” and, therefore, is bound by the First Amendment. Second, that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is unconstitutional. This is the law that prevents social media companies like Twitter from being treated as “publishers” and getting dragged into defamation lawsuits like the one filed by Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., against his, er, cow. It also allows them to moderate their users without being sued so long as they are acting in good faith.

The first claim is almost certainly wrong. The argument is that Twitter and the rest are state actors because they have been “pressured” by Democratic politicians and threatened with regulation unless they “censored” Trump, a claim that’s both legally and factually dubious. Democrats controlled neither the Senate nor the presidency at the time and were not in a position to regulate anything, even if they had wanted to.

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Moreover, there was far more pressure in the other direction. In fact, Trump himself signed an executive order purporting to regulate Twitter and other social media companies because Twitter was “censoring” the president by flagging some of his tweets. Nonetheless, there is a possible argument based on stretching Supreme Court precedent that overt governmental pressure and threats can turn private companies into public actors even absent actual legislation. While not a winner, I wouldn’t say this argument is frivolous.

Winning in court is not Trump's goal

But the second argument, that Section 230 is unconstitutional, is both logically and legally bonkers. It relies on statements like, “Defendants would not have deplatformed Plaintiff or similarly situated Putative Class Members but for the immunity purportedly offered by Section 230.”

This could not be less true. And, in fact, it underscores the silliness of Trump’s obsession with eliminating Section 230 in the misguided hope of restoring his social media accounts. The only reason that Trump was allowed to get away with what he did for as long as he did was because of the immunity provided by Section 230. If Twitter had not been shielded from liability for Trump’s statements – in other words, if Twitter had been treated as the publisher of Trump’s tweets – Twitter would have moderated Trump’s account out of existence sometime back in 2015.

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What Section 230 actually does is allow internet platforms to host unfettered debates. If internet companies were potentially liable for everything their users posted, anything more controversial than pictures of puppies and kittens would be ruthlessly suppressed. If they wanted to remain in business, internet companies would have no choice.

So if these lawsuits are so factually and legally shaky, why did Trump file them? Good question. Except, possibly, for raising some money, these lawsuits aren’t going to achieve any of Trump’s goals. Then again, perhaps they already have. We’re talking about him again, aren’t we?

Republican Chris Truax, an appellate lawyer in San Diego, is a legal adviser for the  Guardrails of Democracy Project, CEO of CertifiedVoter.com, a legal adviser and spokesman for Republicans for the Rule of Law, and a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors. 



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