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Msg ID: 2696153 Frombelow +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 10:58:32 AM

A post below implies that the right is under and uneducated people.  If you look at policies you will see the left does not use any intelligence.

The left believes that inequalities exist because the rich stole from you!  Capitalists are exploiting you.  So increaseing they want "down with Capitalism" and "up with Communism ".  Income redistribution has be come what they want and they want it now!  Big government will take care of them!

And you think we are the ones under and uneducated.  The left has become stupid and overtime becoming increasing dumb and ignorant.

useful idiots 



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Msg ID: 2696154 And you would be wrong, I don't believe any of that... +2/-0     
Author:Jett
7/13/2021 11:03:09 AM

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Perhaps some of the far left types do, but the majority of "Libs" don't want socialist policies and we certainly don't want communism. 

That segment of the party is the minority...



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Msg ID: 2696155 And you would be wrong, I don't believe any of that... +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 11:05:23 AM

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THEN WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR IT !!!!!



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Msg ID: 2696156 And you would be wrong, I don't believe any of that... +2/-1     
Author:Jett
7/13/2021 11:10:07 AM

Reply to: 2696155

President Biden isn't a socialist or a communist, he's actually pretty moderate on most issues. But when you're looking at things through the lens of the Extreme Right, everything is distorted.

I don't think people who believe in extreme stuff like QAnon have much room to criticize others... 



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Msg ID: 2696160 Jett, you do not pay attention  +1/-1     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 11:40:58 AM

Reply to: 2696156

The lefts agenda is a communist takeover.  The modern left is Marxist, they don't even shun the Marxist label.  

Where do you get your news?  

What do you understand the lefts policies do?  

When did the left do anything that supported Americans?  

Why every bill they try to have, removes control from people and/or the states?

If given the chance, they would control your every minute, why do you want that?

They want to control everyone outcome, not an equal opportunity, why do you want that?

You need to lookup why we call you a useful idiot!

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2696158 Hyperbolic bigotry is typical of Trump, Trumpists. +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 11:33:03 AM

Reply to: 2696153

But they're not all uneducated or stupid. I know a self made multi-millionaire/inventor who is very, very open as to why he voted for Trump: Trump is actively working to make the 1% even richer.

 



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Msg ID: 2696162 Maybe your dumbest post! +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 11:52:00 AM

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Sure Trumps policies made it easier fr all people to become rich.  

You are really dumb if you do not realize that it was an advantage for everyone!  That it opened the doors for success!  Let's lower those taxes, let's remove those ridiculous regulations, let's get goverment out of the people's way, let's let them jump ahead and make a better life for thier families!

More people became rich than in any other time in history!  

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2696165 Trump Tax Cuts Helped Billionaires Pay Less Taxes Than The Working Class In +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 12:30:06 PM

Reply to: 2696162

Open mouth, close eyes and swallow whatever Trump feeds you.

Trump Tax Cuts Helped Billionaires Pay Less Taxes Than The Working Class In 2018

Camilo Maldonado

For the first time in American history, the 400 wealthiest people paid a lower tax rate than any other group, according to a new study by economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman at the University of California, Berkeley.

 

The startling data was brought to light on Monday in a New York Times column, and is based on an analysis by Saez and Zucman in their new book, The Triumph Of Injustice.

Some critics of the new research say that the data is skewed, or even potentially wrong. However, the fact that the ultra-rich potentially pay a lower tax rate than the working class is a massive problem. The Trump administration’s tax cuts for the wealthy highlight the fact that policy is moving in the wrong direction. Especially when there’s worry of a potential recession.

Bill Gates agrees and has previously said, “There’s no doubt that what we want government to do in terms of better education and better health care means that we need to collect more in taxes. And there’s no doubt that as we raise taxes, we can have most of that additional money come from those who are better off... I need to pay higher taxes.”

Before your palms start sweating – don’t worry – I don’t think we should raise your taxes. We are talking about the top .01%. Those who own yachts and airplanes.

It’s never been more clear that our country’s tax code is built to serve only those who have the most money. While hedge fund managers, private equity executives and venture capitalists benefit from the carried interest tax loophole, everyday Americans barely get a deduction for their student loan interest payments. Why not offer a credit for first time homebuyers? This would be more progressive, helping those who are hurting.

pan style="color: #000000;">One worrying trend however, is the fact that views of taxation are increasingly falling along political party linespan style="color: #000000;">. The breakdown between Republicans and Democrats is fairly even among income bracketspan style="color: #000000;"> until you get to incomes below $30,000, at which point more identify as Democrats. This leads me to believe that an outsized portion of low-income Republicans still believe that the present federal tax system is very or moderately fair.

This comes into conflict with the reams of data available to show that the system is, after all, not fair. Income inequality is widening to record levels and there’s no reason to believe the trend will slow down.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 was the largest tax overhaul in over three decades. It was rushed through congress and it’s working exactly as it was intended to do so: to line the pockets of the wealthy at the expense of the working class. Optically, it was championed as a way to boost the economy, but the fact is that unemployment was already low and the cuts came amidst a long bull market.

The tax cuts are deficit-financed which, according to William Gale, the Arjay and Frances Fearing Miller Chair in Federal Economic Policy at Brookings, means that “resources will be taken away from future generations as well as today’s working class.” In the past, we’ve seen that the government can create innovations like the 401(k)</a>, so clearly, it’s possible to pass tax reform that will actually help the average person.

A more fair tax system isn’t intended to curb income inequality, but rather make sure that billionaires pay their fair share for public works and shared resources. The very same resources they rely on to build their companies. Shrinking inequality would simply be a nice side-effect.

If nothing else, it’s clear that there’s a taxation problem in America and the current solution is only making it worse.

I don’t know about you, but fair isn’t the word that I would use to describe a system in which those with the most contribute the least, by virtue of lower tax rates.

But the data shows a lot of you disagree, and it might be due to the fact that you didn’t realize the current system really only benefits those at the very top. Now we know.

Follow me on Twitter or LinkedInCheck out my website or some of my other work here

 

Camilo Maldonado is Co-Founder & CEO of the TheFinanceTwins.com. He holds an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School and a B.S. in Finance from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania



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Msg ID: 2696168 Please try to understand how things work! +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 12:49:28 PM

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Investments and/or venture capital, comes from people with capital.  Allow those people more capital, then you get more put into risk, producing an growing economy.  Not one thing ever happens without someone putting out an effort for something to happen.  That was an old democratic idea in the days of real democrats like Kennedy, (lower taxes, increase investments, produce more higher wage jobs).

My question to you, how do you increase all wages without out the 1% being involved and making more money?

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2696174 Putting wealth tp work is more important than working? (NT) +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 1:09:16 PM

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Msg ID: 2696176 Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 1:23:52 PM

Reply to: 2696174

In this modern age, when do you go to work without that wealthy person, who took the risk to start the company you work for?  

In others words, when do you go to work without someone putting wealth up !

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2696178 You're a very narrow thinker, unimaginative. +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 1:49:23 PM

Reply to: 2696176

Suppose I provide a service valued by all and affordable to all?



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Msg ID: 2696179 You're a very narrow thinker, unimaginative. +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 2:07:29 PM

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Very good, but are you saying you can provide that service with NO capital In your pocket.  It can be done, in very rare cases, but a cash flow would need to happen right away.  And maybe more possible in some red states that permitting and such is cheap or nonexistent.  But would it be a real  company, no product, no employee, maybe just paid for giving advice.

I do not understand why you would not understand that most all things start with capital, and most of the time that comes from wealth people.  They may have the cash or even take out a mortgage on the home but they are willing to take the risk.  Take that away, or penalize them and you have a failure in the economy!

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2696181 Now you're changing the the terms of the argument. +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 2:39:52 PM

Reply to: 2696179

"I do not understand why you would not understand that most all things start with capital, and most of the time that comes from wealth people. They may have the cash or even take out a mortgage on the home but they are willing to take the risk. Take that away, or penalize them and you have a failure in the economy!"

Your post shows you understand the flaws in your argument:

"most all things start with capital" Most, indeed, but not all. You understand and admit that. But is the capital more important than the work to exploit it to advantage?

"most of the time that comes from wealth people." Again, most of the time the capital comes from the people who have wealth. The top 1% own more wealth than the combined wealth of the bottom 50%. You can't get blood from a stone.

 

And then you revert to the usual Trumpist hyperbole:

"Take that away, or penalize them and you have a failure in the economy!"

I never said anything about taking away or penalizing anybody, did I? 

I asked is "Putting wealth to work is more important than working?"


The rational answer is no, that it's not. The work is what is important, it is what is productive. Before there was capital, there was work, N'est-ce pas?

 



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Msg ID: 2696182 Really +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 3:06:42 PM

Reply to: 2696181

Your whole argument falls flat on it's face when you look at real life companies.  We are not posting about lemonade stands.  Hard work moves a company towards goals, but in today's world you need start up capital.  Just because something may get started without startup capital does not mean that is the way it is done.  Fact is most all failures are due because of insufficient start up capital.  And start up capital does not always come from the rich, can come from other places, such as a group of family members.  But it never comes from the poor!  It come from people willing to take the risk.  I do not even understand why you are making your points.  And your statement about working over putting wealth to work is backwards.  You must have something to work with, to start!  We could be like Bangladeshi and work and work and still not have a thing.  Or we could have an person willing to put up some capital, buy some stuff, and put us to work.  Or would you object to that person paying us for our work as they get wealthier.
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Msg ID: 2696186 There was work before capital, yes? (NT) +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 3:36:21 PM

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Msg ID: 2696188 And without work, capital is nothing, yes? (NT) +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 3:38:37 PM

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Msg ID: 2696209 No. Have you ever heard of lights out … +1/-3     
Author:obumazombie
7/13/2021 6:53:50 PM

Reply to: 2696188

Manufacturing?
Also most entrepreneurs have put more sweat equity into a business, than any employee they subsequently hire,  ever will.

Where do you get your ideas about economy?
Please don't say Paul Krugman.

Please do say...

 

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2696217 So you agree with me that work is more impirtant than capital. (NT) +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 8:36:29 PM

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Msg ID: 2696223 Driveby! +1/-1     
Author:obumazombie
7/13/2021 9:23:43 PM

Reply to: 2696217

Good job Goodlibs!



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Msg ID: 2696224 No argument, right? So you agree with me that work is more impirtant than c (NT) +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 9:24:21 PM

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Msg ID: 2696225 Driveby! +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/13/2021 9:25:28 PM

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Msg ID: 2696161 Trump's base is white uneducated over 40 +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/13/2021 11:43:02 AM

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This isn't to poke fun at you. This is a fact. The biggest part of his base is white males above 40 with no college degree. Are you ashamed of that?

 



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Msg ID: 2696163 Trump's base is white uneducated over 40 +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2021 11:53:36 AM

Reply to: 2696161

It is obvious that an education does not equate to intelligence!

useful idiot 



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