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Msg ID: 2696356 Giuliani on Election night: TheHill.com 'Just say we won,' +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/14/2021 10:34:57 PM
 

'Just say we won,' Giuliani told Trump aides on election night: book

Former President Trump’s ex-lawyer Rudy Giuliani advised campaign aides on election night in November to “just say we won” as the vote counts were still coming in and the results of the presidential election were widely unknown, according to a new book.

Giuliani huddled with Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien, chief of staff Mark Meadows and White House adviser Stephen Miller at the White House to discuss the incoming vote tallies, Washington Post journalists Carol Leonnig and Phillip Rucker report in “I Alone Can Fix It: Donald J. Trump’s Catastrophic Final Year.”

“What’s happening in Michigan?” Giuliani asked, according to the book.

The trio of Stepien, Meadows and Miller reportedly informed him that the votes were still being counted and it was too early to tell. Giuliani then informed the men of his strategy, Leonnig and Rucker write.

“Just say we won,” Giuliani told them, according to the book.

When discussing Pennsylvania, the authors write, Giuliani floated the same idea: “Just say we won Pennsylvania.”

They added that Stepien, Miller and Meadows thought Giuliani’s plan, to say Trump won state after state without any evidence to bolster the claims, was “both incoherent and irresponsible.”

“We can’t,” Meadows reportedly told the lawyer, raising his voice.

Nonetheless, Trump declared victory in the presidential race even as millions of votes were being counted across the state.

The Washington Post on Tuesday published an excerpt of the book, which is set to be released on July 20.  

Leonnig and Rucker also write that Trump was in an “upbeat” mood the morning of the election. He reportedly had a hoarse voice from his string of rallies in the final days of the campaign but went around telling his aides, “I can’t lose to this f------ guy,” referring to then-Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

The excerpt published by the Post also illustrates Trump’s frustration with Fox News on election night, when the network called the battleground state of Arizona for Biden.

Trump reportedly ordered senior advisers Jared KushnerARED COREY KUSHNER'Just say we won,' Giuliani told Trump aides on election night: bookRupert Murdoch told Fox News to call Arizona for Biden on election night: bookMary Trump: Ivanka 'much less likely to stay loyal' to father than WeisselbergMOREpan> and Jason Miller to call executives at Fox News and urge them to reverse their call in Arizona.

“What the f--- is Fox doing?” Trump screamed, according to the book.



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Msg ID: 2696358 A person message to Old Guy +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/14/2021 10:35:48 PM

Reply to: 2696356

How could you get so lost in your hatred that you forgot the difference between right and wrong?

 



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Msg ID: 2696362 To Bladeslap  +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/14/2021 10:38:41 PM

Reply to: 2696358

That question is much more Appropriate directed at you then me!



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Msg ID: 2696401 You haven't answered my question +2/-1     
Author:bladeslap
7/15/2021 9:24:01 AM

Reply to: 2696362

Old Guy,

You have been wrong about everything in the last 6 months...And I do mean EVERYTHING

Every single court case was tossed out. Every single challenge has been false.

Now, they have Trump Aides saying that on Eleciton night, Giuliani said "Just say he won" even though he knew they lost.

People get disbarred or suspended. Every single lawsuit thrown out and conservative majority of the Supreme court threw out any attempts.

You are lost ... so lost. It's so sad how a human can be as lost as you Old guy. I pity you more than you know and weep that you have drowned in your hatred. 



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Msg ID: 2696443 Really +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/15/2021 11:13:43 AM

Reply to: 2696401

The US Constitution clearly states that presidential electors must be by each state legislatures.  State law determines how presidential elections are conducted.  That did not happen during the 2020 election, there is NO QUESTION that the election violated the constitution.  And 4 key states were the worst.  Here is just one of many examples,

     Wisconsin state law prohibits the use of unmanned drop boxes.  Nevertheless Wisconsin election commission and local officials unconstitutional created hundreds of unmanned drop boxes.

There are many other examples of violation of the constitution, yet your side does not care.  Volations of the constitution were just ignored.

Now, what about direct fraud, so much of it claimed that I do not have time to even go over even the big ones.

Did you know that just in Michigan there are over 7,000 affidavits claiming some kind of election fraud.  These are people willing to face legal action if false.  But can't they investigate some of them, NO, they are just ignored!

I have asked one question over and over and no one has even attempted to answer.

    Name one court case that went to discovery and questioned witnesses who signed affidavits, that went to a full trial and determined NO FRAUD.  NAME ONE!



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Msg ID: 2696445 "You're side doesn't care"? +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/15/2021 11:16:03 AM

Reply to: 2696443

And your side cares about the insurrection

Your side cares about "Stop The steal" which was a complete utter lie

Your side cares that Trump completely played down teh pandemic to help his political career

You're about as much a hypocrite as they get

Don't waste my time until you are able to see both sides

Ever wonder why both Mitchy and Pence condemned Pence for Jan 6th and you? NOTHING 

You didn't condemn him one bit

You're a hypocrite who cannot see clearly...

His own VP condemned him



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Msg ID: 2696447 Trumplicans, It's Really More Cult Than Political Party... (NT) +3/-0     
Author:Jett
7/15/2021 11:20:39 AM

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Msg ID: 2696448 "You're side doesn't care"? +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/15/2021 11:24:36 AM

Reply to: 2696445

The truth is not a waste of your time. But if you feel that way I do not need to post here.



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Msg ID: 2696449 Let me add +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/15/2021 11:34:52 AM

Reply to: 2696448

I posted a question, you can't answer.

I posted reasoning the election was unconstitutional , you can't answer.

I post about fraud, you can't answer.

you can't answer because you know the election was a fraud, and then claim I don't look at it reasonably



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Msg ID: 2696485 The truth is inconvenient to you +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/15/2021 2:59:43 PM

Reply to: 2696448

You constantly let your ego decipher facts for you

Courts threw out every single case - Are ALL the judges wrong? Even the Trump appointed ones?

You just cannot look more defeated than this



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Msg ID: 2696490 Name one court case that went to discovery and questioned witnesses wh +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/15/2021 3:09:46 PM

Reply to: 2696443

"Name one court case that went to discovery and questioned witnesses who signed affidavits, that went to a full trial and determined NO FRAUD.  NAME ONE!"

 That can't be done. Attorneys realized that the 'witnesses' who 'signed' affadavits would be exposed to charges of perjury.



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Msg ID: 2696492 Or, perhaps I'm wrong- Trump's election lawsuits +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/15/2021 3:32:44 PM

Reply to: 2696443

Trump and his allies filed more than 40 lawsuits challenging the 2020 election results. All of them failed.

 
 
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President Donald Trump. Win McNamee/Getty Images
  • Trump and allies filed dozens of lawsuits in an effort to contest the results of the 2020 election.
  • His campaign filed lawsuits and motions to intervene in cases in several swing states.
  • They've notched zero victories.
  • Visit the Business section of Insider for more stories.

Before the Capitol insurrection on January 6, Trump's claims alternated between demanding that some states stop counting ballots, which he didn't have the power to do, and saying that others should keep counting, which they were doing anyway.

To that end, the Trump campaign, Republican allies, and Trump himself had mounted at least 42 legal challenges since Election Day.

They've won zero. President Joe Biden was inaugurated on January 20.

The lawsuits argued that states and counties violated election laws, playing into Trump's political strategy to discredit the results of the 2020 election. The House impeached him a second time in January, charging him with inciting an insurrection, and the Senate acquitted him on February 13.

Republicans filed the lawsuits in local, state, and federal courts in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Pennsylvania — all states that Biden won. They also filed direct appeals to the Supreme Court, all of which also failed.

The Trump campaign initially had a single win, when a Pennsylvania judge ruled on November 12 that first-time voters were supposed to confirm their IDs with county boards of election by November 9, rather than November 12. The decision opened the door to disqualify the ballots of people who didn't verify their IDs in time. But the state Supreme Court later overturned that decision.

Here's what happened with all of Trump's election lawsuits.

 

Here's a list of the lawsuits and where they stand

Direct appeals to the Supreme Court — 3 losses

  • Several Republican politicians, led by Rep. Mike Kelly, asked the US Supreme Court to block the certification of Pennsylvania's election results. The court turned down the case.
  • Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin in the US Supreme Court seeking to overturn their election results. The Supreme Court rejected the case.
  • The Trump campaign asked the US Supreme Court to overturn three decisions from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court over various technical rules regarding absentee and mail-in ballots. The court rejected the case on February 22, declaring it moot.

Pennsylvania — 13 losses

Nevada — 4 losses

  • The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit requesting that ballots stop being counted in the state over concerns about signature-matching technology and election observers' claims that they weren't being allowed to watch ballots being processed closely enough. The Nevada Supreme Court denied the request.
  • The Trump campaign and the RNC filed a lawsuit in state court asking to stop ballot counting in Clark County — a heavily Democratic area — until GOP officials could observe the process. A district judge rejected the request on the grounds that the plaintiffs did not have evidence to back up their allegations. Republicans appealed the case to the Nevada Supreme Court, which said on November 5 that the campaign and Republican officials had reached a settlement that allowed expanded ballot observation. They later withdrew the case.
  • A group of Republicans dropped a lawsuit in Clark County challenging mail-in ballots, including those sent by members of the military.
  • The Trump campaign filed a different lawsuit in Carson City District Court alleging multiple irregularities that the campaign claimed, without providing specific evidence, would be enough to overturn the election results in Nevada and flip the state to Trump. It failed.

Georgia — 5 losses

Michigan — 5 losses

Arizona — 4 losses

  • The Trump campaign joined a lawsuit brought by two Republicans in Maricopa County claiming that a substantial number of GOP ballots were invalidated because voters used Sharpies to fill in their choices. There is no evidence that using Sharpies leads to issues with scanning ballots, and, in fact, officials have said using Sharpies is preferred. The Post also reported that the Maricopa County attorney's office said no ballots were rejected and that if they are, voters have an opportunity to cast another one. A Republican-aligned group abandoned the legal fight after Maricopa County officials challenged the factual basis for the lawsuit, and the Trump campaign lost the fight soon afterward.
  • The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit in state court alleging that Maricopa County was improperly rejecting ballots cast by some voters. The lawsuit was dismissed after an audit found no problems with the votes.
  • Arizona's Supreme Court unanimously rejected a case from the state GOP chair Kelli Ward, saying the facts she presented were incorrect and that she "fails to present any evidence of misconduct."
  • Powell filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn election results as well, based on a conspiracy theory about voting machines used in the state. A judge dismissed the case.

Wisconsin — 7 losses

New Mexico — one loss

  • The Trump campaign sued the state over what it claims was the illegal use of ballot drop boxes after the state had already certified its results and sent them to the Electoral College. It dropped the claim in January.

Key cases and Supreme Court rulings before Election Day

Pennsylvania

In Pennsylvania, the state Supreme Court ruled that election officials could receive mail-in ballots until November 6 as long as they are postmarked by Election Day. Republicans requested an immediate stay from the US Supreme Court that would have blocked the state Supreme Court's ruling.

But the US Supreme Court was deadlocked at 4-4, leaving the lower court's ruling in place. Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and Samuel Alito voted to grant Republicans' request, while Chief Justice John Roberts, and Justices Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan, and Sonia Sotomayor dissented.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett declined to participate in the case "because of the need for a prompt resolution of it and because she has not had time to fully review the parties' filings," the court said in a statement. However, Barrett has not recused herself, meaning she could cast a decisive fifth vote when the Supreme Court takes up the case again.

North Carolina

In a similar case brought by Republicans in North Carolina, the Supreme Court ruled that ballots received up to nine days after November 3 could be counted as long as they are postmarked by Election Day.

The decision came after the Trump campaign and Republicans asked in two separate cases for the high court to put back in place a June statute from the state's Republican-controlled Legislature that would have allowed ballots to be counted only if they were received up to three days — not nine — after Election Day.

Five justices — Roberts, Kavanaugh, Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor — ruled against reinstating the statute. Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas dissented, while Barrett did not participate in the North Carolina case.

Wisconsin

Republicans notched a victory in a case involving the deadline to receive ballots in Wisconsin. The US Supreme Court ruled against reviving an appeals court decision that would have allowed election officials to receive absentee ballots up to six days after Election Day.

The court's five conservative justices — Roberts, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito — ruled against reviving the lower court's ruling, while the three liberals — Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor — dissented.

The Wisconsin case made headlines because of Kavanaugh's and Kagan's dueling opinions.

Kavanaugh, a Trump-appointed justice who was confirmed to the high court in 2018, wrote in a concurring opinion that all ballots should be received by Election Day.

"Those States want to avoid the chaos and suspicions of impropriety that can ensue if thousands of absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election," he wrote. "And those States also want to be able to definitively announce the results of the election on election night, or as soon as possible thereafter."

Kagan fired back in a sharp dissent, taking issue with Kavanaugh's assertion that the arrival of absentee ballots after Election Day could "flip" the results of the race.

"Justice Kavanaugh alleges that 'suspicions of impropriety' will result if 'absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election,'" she wrote. "But there are no results to 'flip' until all valid votes are counted. And nothing could be more 'suspicio[us]' or 'improp[er]' than refusing to tally votes once the clock strikes 12 on election night. To suggest otherwise, especially in these fractious times, is to disserve the electoral process."

Texas

A federal court in Texas and the state's Supreme Court denied two Republican requests to throw out nearly 130,000 ballots that were cast via drive-thru polling sites in Harris County, one of Texas' most heavily Democratic areas.

The Texas Supreme Court rejected a request from Republican candidates and activists to toss the ballots. US District Judge Andrew Hanen, appointed by President George W. Bush, reached the same conclusion and denied the second request from GOP candidates and a right-wing radio host.

Hanen ruled that the plaintiffs did not have the standing to sue and ask that ballots that were legally cast be discounted. However, he ordered the county to set aside the 127,000 ballots in case an appeals court disagreed with him and ultimately threw those votes out.

 

 


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