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Msg ID: 2696990 Jan 6 Rioter Gets 8 Months, Not Nearly Long Enough...  +4/-1     
Author:Jett
7/19/2021 6:49:27 PM

Capitol rioter, 38, is jailed for EIGHT MONTHS in first felony sentence that could set the bar for hundreds of other defendants

  • Paul Hodgkins pleaded guilty to count of obstructing an official proceeding
  • Hodgkins apologized for his actions on January 6 and said he was ashamed 
  • Trump supporter initially faced up to 20 years in federal prison 
  • Hodgkins' defense lawyer argued for no prison time, while prosecutors asked for 18-month sentence, saying he contributed to the collective threat to democracy'

A Florida man who breached the US Senate chamber carrying a 'Trump 2020' campaign flag was sentenced on Monday to eight months in prison, making him the first among hundreds of accused rioters facing prosecution to be incarcerated.

Tampa crane operator Paul Allard Hodgkins, 38, apologized and said he was ashamed of his actions on January 6. 

Speaking calmly from a prepared statement, he described being caught up in the euphoria as he walked down Washington’s most famous avenue, then followed a crowd of hundreds up Capitol Hill and into the Capitol building.

'If I had any idea that the protest ... would escalate [the way] it did ... I would never have ventured farther than the sidewalk of Pennsylvania Avenue,' Hodgkins told the judge. He added: 'This was a foolish decision on my part.'
In this file image from US Capitol Police video, Paul Allard Hodgkins, 38, of Tampa, Florida, front, stands in the well on the floor of the US Senate on January 6. Hodgkins was sentenced on Monday to eight months in prison
In this file image from US Capitol Police video, Paul Allard Hodgkins, 38, of Tampa, Florida, front, stands in the well on the floor of the US Senate on January 6. Hodgkins was sentenced on Monday to eight months in prison 

 

 

 

 

 

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Msg ID: 2697000 They got a gift +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/19/2021 11:02:15 PM

Reply to: 2696990

Shoul had been much longer. But, at least they will serve some time. 



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Msg ID: 2697018 What about +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/20/2021 10:11:55 AM

Reply to: 2697000

What about during the protests over Kavanaugh when 300 protesters were arrested for occupying part of the Capital.  No one then was even charge with a crime.  Or a better example of obstructing official proceedings was on was on June 23, 2016 when democrats staged a sit-in in Congress, no one even arrested.

I guess what your protest is about, determines if you get charged or not!  Like everything else, lie, cheat, steal, molest children, be mentally incompetent, big a time racist, have fraudulent elections if you are on the left it is OK and ignored!

useful idiots 



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Msg ID: 2697029 This Was A Violent Insurrection, Completely Different Case...  +3/-0     
Author:Jett
7/20/2021 11:07:24 AM

Reply to: 2697018

If you were a true American Patriot, you would condemn them for their actions. You don't know the difference between right and wrong.

It's just more proof that you're in a CULT...   



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Msg ID: 2697046 Why must people on the left always lie +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/20/2021 1:34:44 PM

Reply to: 2697029

there Was NO violence, unless you count who killed Ashli.

there was NO insurrection, nobody has been charge for that, WHY, they can't prove it.

Not different, protesters entered government buildings and interrupted what was happening.  The only difference was the reason for the protest, one was OK the other was not.

Of course do I expect you to be off the rails when it come to your idea's.  Responding a waste of time!  

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2697055 Earth to 'old guy', Earth to 'old guy'. "No violence"?  +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/20/2021 1:50:09 PM

Reply to: 2697046

Earth to 'old guy', Earth to 'old guy'. "No violence" on January 6? What planet are you on? Did the mob break the windows in the doors to the House chamber? Is that a peaceful act?

Trump, Trumpists are- or were the 'law and order' party. The world knows now that they are Trump's 'brown shirts' to be assembled and deployed at his order.

I understand that mob behavior is a different psychology than normal, but one doesn't assemble or incite violence in people who are not disposed to violence. One doesn't show up at a Klan meeting unless....

Why did the Capitol Police barricading that door have their weapons deployed? In the time before the mob attacked, that did not happen. If you look, you'll see officers observing the protesters.

 

To my knowledge no American has ever been charged with insurrection.



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Msg ID: 2697057 Really ! +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/20/2021 1:58:48 PM

Reply to: 2697055

The right broke a window,

and the left kills cops and burns down complete blocks.

And you call the right violent.

Get real!

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2697061 Check the record- extreme rightist violence in America has been increasing  +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/20/2021 2:03:37 PM

Reply to: 2697057

Check the record- extreme rightist violence in America has been increasing since the early 1990s.

Watch what happens over the next decade. And remember who told you it was coming.



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Msg ID: 2697063 Really +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/20/2021 2:10:59 PM

Reply to: 2697061

Check the violence in all the democratic run cities, it is all rapidly going up.  It will get much worse as more of your stupid policies take hold.  Defund the police, what a dumb idea!

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2697065 You know the answer very well- Democrats tend to be urban and Republicans  +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/20/2021 2:32:12 PM

Reply to: 2697063

You know the answer very well- Democrats tend to be urban and Republicans rural or suburban.

Large cities tend to have areas of poverty. Economic status has a definite relationship to crime.

Cities have better infrastucture, public transport, etc.

"Defund the police"? Who said that here? Does AOC or 'the squad' post here?

The police should not be the only social response organization. A hammer isn't the proper tool for all tasks, no matter how fine the quality of the hammer.

Research 'critical response' organizations. 

Watch what happens in the next decade. Rightist violence has been rising since the 1990s.



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Msg ID: 2697072 You really don’t pay attention to the left do you! (NT) +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/20/2021 2:52:47 PM

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Msg ID: 2697074 No argument? Didn't think so. (NT) +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/20/2021 2:54:39 PM

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Msg ID: 2697097 Occupying? +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/20/2021 5:57:08 PM

Reply to: 2697018

You want to compare "Occupying" to what happened?

That's why no one can have a serious conversation with you. You want to compare "Occupying" with people breking into the senate floor, looking to kidnap members of congress.

You're not right.

 



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Msg ID: 2697103 That is Bull Shit +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/20/2021 6:46:41 PM

Reply to: 2697097

No one as kidnapped, no one has been charged with attempted kidnapping!  Just one more stupid lie.

what are these people being charged with - trespassing and interrupting, that's it!

Get a grip, of course they were wrong, but the difference in what they really did and your storyline iis 180  degrees out.  Have you seen the videos of Capital Police opening the doors and inviting them in.  Did they try to destroy the building, No, they just busted a window or two.  I know people that were there and they said the protesters even cleaned up the mess. 

Think of this,  they have had the legal department take every effort to try and prove something bad and they can't!  Bad shit like at what happens at lefties protest did not happen!

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2697291 "That is Bull Shit" It was a lynch mob.  +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/22/2021 3:10:32 PM

Reply to: 2697103

"No one as kidnapped, no one has been charged with attempted kidnapping!  Just one more stupid lie."

It was a lynch mob. 



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Msg ID: 2697294 "That is Bull Shit" Mob built gallows and chanted ‘Hang Mike Pence’ +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/22/2021 4:07:56 PM

Reply to: 2697103

Mob built gallows and chanted ‘Hang Mike Pence’

NATIONAL NEWS

TOPSHOT – A noose is seen on makeshift gallows as supporters of US President Donald Trump gather on the West side of the US Capitol in Washington DC on January 6, 2021. – Donald Trump’s supporters stormed a session of Congress held today, January 6, to certify Joe Biden’s election win, triggering unprecedented chaos and violence at the heart of American democracy and accusations the president was attempting a coup. (Photo by Andrew CABALLERO-REYNOLDS / AFP) (Photo by ANDREW CABALLERO-REYNOLDS/AFP via Getty Images)

 

They were never a natural fit, the straight-laced evangelical and the brash reality TV star. But for more than four years, President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence made their marriage of political convenience work.

Now, in the last days of their administration, each is feeling betrayed by the other. It’s part of the fallout from an extraordinary 24-hour stretch in which Pence openly defied Trump, Trump unleashed his fury on the vice president, and a mob of violent supporters incensed by Trump’s rhetoric stormed the Capitol building and tried to halt the peaceful transfer of power.

The Trump-Pence relationship is “pretty raw right now,” said one top GOP congressional aide, who described multiple phone calls in which Trump berated Pence and tried to pressure the vice president to use powers he does not possess to try to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Pence, for his part, was left feeling “hurt” and “upset” by the episode, according to people close to him. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters.

Pence’s decision to publicly defy Trump was a first for the notoriously deferential vice president, who has been unflinchingly loyal to Trump since joining the GOP ticket in 2016. Pence has spent his tenure defending the president’s actions, trying to soothe anxious world leaders put off by Trump’s caustic rhetoric, and carefully avoiding the president’s ire. 

He has taken on some of the administration’s most high-pressure projects, including leading its response to the coronavirus. And he has stood by Trump even as the president leveled baseless allegations of voter fraud and refused to concede the election after his loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

Under normal circumstances, the vote-tallying procedure that began on Wednesday would have been a mere formality. But after losing court case after court case, and with no further options at hand, Trump and his allies zeroed in on the congressional tally as their last chance to try to challenge the race’s outcome.

In a bizarre interpretation of the law, they argued that the vice president had the unilateral power to reject Electoral College votes supporting Biden. The Constitution makes clear that only Congress has that power. 

The effort effectively turned Pence into a scapegoat who could be blamed for Trump’s loss if the vice president refused to go along with the plan. Trump and his lawyers spent days engaged in an aggressive pressure campaign to force Pence to bend to their will in a series of phone calls and in-person meetings, including one that stretched for hours on Tuesday.

When Pence, who consulted with his own legal team, constitutional scholars and the Senate parliamentarian, informed Trump on Wednesday morning that he would not be going along with the effort, the president “blew a gasket,” in the words of one person briefed on the conversation.

Not long after, Trump took the stage in front of thousands of his supporters at a “Stop the Steal” rally, where he urged them to march to the Capitol and continued to fan false hopes that Pence could change the outcome.

“If Mike Pence does the right thing we win the election,” Trump wrongly insisted. He repeatedly returned to Pence throughout his speech as he tried to pressure the vice president to fall in line.

But Trump already knew what Pence intended. And as Trump spoke, Pence released a letter to Congress laying out his conclusion that a vice president cannot claim “unilateral authority” to reject states’ electoral votes. He soon gaveled into order the joint session of Congress where his and Trump’s defeat would be cemented.

Not long after that, members of Trump’s rally crowd arrived at the Capitol, where they overwhelmed police, smashed windows, occupied the building and halted the electoral proceedings. Pence was whisked from the Senate chamber to a secure location, where he was held for hours with staff as well as his wife and daughter, who had been there to support him.

Trump did not call to check in on his vice president’s safety during the ordeal and instead spent much of Wednesday consumed with anger over Pence’s action, tweeting, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.”

Later, members of the mob outside the Capitol were captured on video chanting, “Hang Mike Pence!”

For allies of Pence, it was a deeply upsetting episode that put the vice president in danger after four years of unstinting loyalty to the president and left Pence himself feeling hurt.

“I just think he’s had enough,” said John Thompson, who served as Pence’s campaign spokesman and and also worked for the Republican Governors’ Association.

“Yesterday just really pulled on his heartstrings,” Thompson said. “He’s been this loyal individual and the president was asking him to break the law and act outside his constitutional duties. I think it just reached a boiling point and the vice president said, ‘I’ve had enough.'”

Republican Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma told Tulsa World, “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.”

“He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump),'” Inhofe added.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, an informal Trump adviser, also came to Pence’s defense, tweeting that his action was “a profile in courage.”

It remains unclear how the dynamic between Trump and Pence will play out over the next two weeks and how long the president will hold his grudge. The White House declined to discuss Trump’s thinking, but allies said Pence intends to spend the next two weeks focused on the transition. 

He is also expected to attend Biden’s inauguration.

And while Pence had been banking on his close relationship with the president to propel him to top-tier status if he decides to run for president in 2024, allies said they didn’t think the vice president’s actions this week would have long-term consequences, even if some voters blame him for Trump’s defeat.

“I thought that was a very courageous moment for him,” Thompson said. “And I think that’s going to help his future.”

___ Associated Press writers Alan Fram and Zeke Miller contributed to this report.



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Msg ID: 2697327 Stop Whitewashing and Belittling The Violent Insurrection!  +3/-0     
Author:Jett
7/22/2021 6:48:27 PM

Reply to: 2697103

The photographs and the video don't lie, you do...



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