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Msg ID: 2697403 Response to old guy's "To crow from below" +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/23/2021 2:12:53 PM

You made a post about large cities and I owe you a response.

yes they have areas of poverty and crime, they also have high costs of living, why?. They are poorly managed for years by the left. Think of Detroit. Democratic policies are destroying the inner cities, let me make a few points.

Yeah, let us look at Detroit. It's not "Democratic policies" that destroyed Detroit or other 'Rust Belt' industrialized cities. It was, wait for it- industries abandoning expensive urban locations. Ambitious rural areas developed industrial parks with tax incentives, etc. to lure manufacturing jobs out of cities. The average wage at those new plants was less and the sites could be located and developed with less issues than in an urban area.

Detroit was also the victim of it's own success and business plans. They built models deigned to last 3 years and a hundred thousand miles. In their opinion, Americans would never buy any of those funny little foreign cars just because they were well engineered, well built and durable. Detroit's idea of designing for the market was opera windows and vinyl tops, 'cheome' that was a film on a base metal. My last American car went through a quart of oil every 800 miles but that was within manufacturers tolerance. The windows fell of the tracks, the headliner fell down- I lost it in a flood, good feckin' riddance. Almost 40 years later, I have never bought American cars since- some Japanese built in America, but not American.

 

"Illegal immigrants; Inner cities are being crushed by the illegal alien workforce. The cost is high and jobs are getting eaten up. Even Obamacare is harder to get in inner cities and the democrats are taking money from Obamacare subsidies to give to illegal immigrants."

I'm gonna challenge you on that one- the most dynamic parts of Atlanta are immigrant. I'm not talking about the hipster neighborhoods, but the commercial areas.

I haven't seen more than a half dozen Anglos/Black Americans at a construction site in the last 20 years. The jobs are there,  Americans don't want'em. Continues in the post-pandemic era, too.

 

Gun Control; For decades democrats have taken away and restricted the right to protect themselves and families. Th cities are crime ridden and you can't even try to keep your family safe without being a criminal yourself.

No shyte? Open carry, concealed carry are common.

 

Miminimum wage: It just might be the most racist laws we have. Studies show that for each 10% increase in minimum wage there Is a 6.5% decrease employment for Black males. 

Hmmmm. There is a racial aspect to minimum wage laws, but not what you point out.

 

EPA regulations: Inner cities already are struggling to pay their bills. And the New GreenDeal will just push more into poverty.

Speculation.

 

Schools: There is a huge difference in the money spent in different districts. The governments job should be to make opportunities equal. Tax money should be given out equally per student, not more money to areas that pay more in tax.

That's the law in Georgia, school taxes are redistributed by the state. There are still advantaged and disadvantaged schools, the government is a very inefficient tool of equalization. Especially if it involves elected officials.

 

This is just a short list of how the left has destroyed the inner cities, didn't even post about there lack of inforceing laws.

You left out white flight. The value of urban property is diminished as many people move to 'idyllic' suburban McMansion developments. Except the hipsters who appreciate inner city infrastructure and take over distressed home and neighborhoods, put money into improvements and live happily ever after with cheap labor for their businesses. And no commute.



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Msg ID: 2697411 You absolutely amaze me +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/23/2021 3:24:20 PM

Reply to: 2697403

Let's look at Detroit,  and then you go on and explain how high cost drove them out to cities with better deals.  Yes that is what happened, the democrats of Detroit that increased and increased their cost of doing business so much they had to move.  You are wrong about wages, all of the new locations at the time remained Union.  You got it right, poor management from years of democratic management lead to lots of regulations and high taxes.

Illegal immigrants, again you agree with me.  They have taken many of the lower skilled jobs.  No illegals then jobs for many lower skilled people.  You say they wouldn't take a job that requires them to work, why should they with the benefits the democrats pay out.  

I stand by my point about guns.  Most every city with major crime rate als has the most gun laws.

wages:  Did You know that democrats passed Bacon-Davis with the purpose to keep blacks out of the Unions.  Higher wages have always been racist.  Each time wages go up, the lever of skills will also increase, taking people without experience out of the work.  You know this is true, if you fly, I bet you have never seen a company increase wages without a increase in job requirements.

EPA regulations is not speculation.  Gas prices go up, who's pocket does it hurt the worst.

Why does Georgia have advantaged and disadvantaged schools, if it is not a unbalanced cash level.

useful idiot

 



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Msg ID: 2697413 You absolutely amaze me +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/23/2021 4:00:01 PM

Reply to: 2697411

"Let's look at Detroit,  and then you go on and explain how high cost drove them out to cities with better deals.  Yes that is what happened, the democrats of Detroit that increased and increased their cost of doing business so much they had to move.  You are wrong about wages, all of the new locations at the time remained Union.  You got it right, poor management from years of democratic management lead to lots of regulations and high taxes."

The Democrats of Detroit must run the nation because all the Rust Belt industrial cities are collapsing. Detroit peaked in the mid and late 40s and have been downhill ever since, through Democratic and Republican administrations, just as other American manufacrure has done.

 

"Illegal immigrants, again you agree with me.  They have taken many of the lower skilled jobs.  No illegals then jobs for many lower skilled people.  You say they wouldn't take a job that requires them to work, why should they with the benefits the democrats pay out."

You're half right- illegals, immigrants generally take whatever work they can get. I talked to an Ethiopian (Eritrean?) physician who is a happy but ambitious American janitor. Like a lot of immigrants, soon he'll have his own business.

Next time you're at a construction site, talk to some of the guys at work. Not, repeat- not the guys wearing the big construction contractor insignia. The other guys without logos and you'll find they bid jobs as contracters, work 14, 16 hours a day or more, knock out a couple contracts a week instead of one, live in group houses, save their money and go home.

The hardening of the border, immigration has made them resident illegals. They can't just go home and come back to refill their coffers and then go home. So they stay here, avoid law enforcement and are more easily exploited by employers and blackmailers.

 

I stand by my point about guns.  Most every city with major crime rate als has the most gun laws.

So- which is it? Gun laws or big cities that cause that crime? Crime is related to economics and violence is very, very local. Strangers seldom commit violence on other strangers. Family kills family.

 

wages:  Did You know that democrats passed Bacon-Davis with the purpose to keep blacks out of the Unions.  Higher wages have always been racist.  Each time wages go up, the lever of skills will also increase, taking people without experience out of the work.  You know this is true, if you fly, I bet you have never seen a company increase wages without a increase in job requirements.

Bacon-Davis of 1931? Segregated America and a very, very different political environment and Democratic Party. You're comparing a 1932 "deuce coupe" to a state of the art 2021 automobile.

 

EPA regulations is not speculation.  Gas prices go up, who's pocket does it hurt the worst.

The rural population. They also benefit beyond the gas taxes in highway money.

Now tell us climate change/global warming is a hoax, too.

 

Why does Georgia have advantaged and disadvantaged schools, if it is not a unbalanced cash level.

It is an unbalanced school tax situation. And an unbalanced population in general. The small town I live in has a reputation for excellent schools and housing is and has always been at a premium. People move here for the schools and care about the education system. As a result, 99%+ of our school students graduate compared to the national average of 88% and 83% (I think for the state).

The city schools have a huge advantage in recieving a generous philanthropic grant from a local businessman several decades ago. But the citizens have seen the benefit that funding brought and consistently worked to maintain the advantage. Without a significant advantage in the tax base, until recently.



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Msg ID: 2697415 You know this is true, if you fly, I bet you have never seen a company incr +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/23/2021 4:06:19 PM

Reply to: 2697413

"You know this is true, if you fly, I bet you have never seen a company increase wages without a increase in job requirements."

I can't argue that nor would I ever argue that. Every job I've ever worked, aviation or not, expected more when they paid more. That's the market at work, nimrod. And they'd poach the competitor's employees as well who wanted the extra pay. My experience is that the competition leaves the market if they can't hire comparable quality.

It ain't the gun or the machine, it's the operator that makes the difference. Hire and pay quality and you'll succeed.



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