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Msg ID: 2699931 Another Lib bites the dust.. good riddance!  +2/-3     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 10:31:50 AM


Jetsheep’s sister teaches Marine biology in Utah..

looks like she’s gonna need to move to California now!

You live in Mormon- Land and call parents “stupid”??

What a retard.

Proof Libs are actually brain damaged by being exposed to their mindless lib propaganda

“If youre gonna bd stupid, you gotta be tough”

It’s tough being a suspended teacher-Lib in Utah, ain’t it Karen?

who just “opened a can” and made their own life miserable?

It’s always tough to be one of the DNC mafia’s mindless brainwashed
Useful idiots!


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Msg ID: 2699934 Another Lib bites the dust.. good riddance!  +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 10:59:47 AM

Reply to: 2699931

She;

1. Hates Trump

2. thinks vaccinations are saving the human race, not empowering political tyrants.

3. Thinks Climate Change is a thing.

4. Says her parents ar "dumb".  They must be so proud! 
 5. says when she "realized ( she) was smarter than (her) parents, the whole world opened up"

this is where she described the lib "conversion experience" .. same thing happens to cult members when they begin to think their favorite cult leader , Hollywood star, or politician has "the answers" and "speaks the truth."

6. She says she loves "LGbTZqxy mother-fkers" and seasons her dialogue with expletives. Promises Stalinesque repercussions for any  poor high school student over whom she rules as "thought police" with an iron fist. 

7 she's fat, low income, unmarried, no kids, (and thinks she's smarter than her parents).. in other words, a classic state of "arrested personal development" - (failure to thrive)- because of her immature teenage narcissism which has and still dominates her basic personality, cognitive development,  and life choices.

In other words.,

a typical lib..

like the ones seen here ..

foolish, spoiled, immature, entitled 

useful idiots! 

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2699937 She gets some right and some wrong... +3/-1     
Author:Jett
8/18/2021 11:24:26 AM

Reply to: 2699934

1. That's a club of millions...

2. She is correct, the anti-vaxxers are Kooks...

3. If you don't recognize climate change by now, you're Incredibly Stupid.

4. She got that wrong.

5. Cult Members? That's the "Pot/Kettle" thing right there Flipper, look in the mirror...

6. She should respect all people, sexual orientation doesn't matter to normal people.

7. I don't know about all of that, but she may need to focus on her health.

 

Why don't you post some clips from your two girls Greene and Boebert that are such a great reflection of who the Extreme Right truly is? We would love to watch!

 

Good to see you Flipper, you and I, 20+ years of friendly debate...  



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Msg ID: 2699992 She gets nuthin right... +1/-3     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 9:31:23 PM

Reply to: 2699937
Shes a spoiled, rude, brat.
Typical narcissistic LIB!

Your sister is the epitome of your depleted gene pool, Jetsheep!

She knows sooo much more than her "Dumb Parents" (singing below)

Useful Idiot



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Msg ID: 2699993 She gets nuthin right...  +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 9:40:28 PM

Reply to: 2699992
Libs will never willingly suffer for their beliefs,
or make the personal sacrifices their "dumb parents" once made to build America.
(and "ZION")
They will continue to protest and spew their mindless stupidness
until their fascist masters send them to a GULAG someday soon
when they have become no longer
USEFUL
(idiots)



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Msg ID: 2699994 She gets nuthin right...  +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 9:57:48 PM

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Msg ID: 2699995 She gets nuthin right...  +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 9:59:22 PM

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Msg ID: 2699996 She gets nuthin right...  +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 10:03:17 PM

Reply to: 2699995
Ezra Taft Benson (1965).

Listen and LEARN!

Useful Idiots!



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Msg ID: 2699999 She gets nuthin right...  +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/18/2021 10:54:03 PM

Reply to: 2699996
A timely message. Even today in 2021. Benson was right--and more so even today.

You brainwashed libs are innoculated to it, sadly.

LDS President Benson was a member of the John Birch Society.

A friend of my fathers, a dear saint of a woman ( now age 90) an LDS member remembered her husband in a story she told me this context. She told me how her husband met with President Benson in Salt lake back in the 1960s.. at a JBS meeting.

Her husbands plane was sabotaged on his way home, apparently. It exploded in mid air, a bomb of some sort, planted she still believes by their leftist "political opponents" at that time.

Yeah, you libs are clueless. This sub-rosa war has been going on a LONG time.

You and that silly, foul mouthed, twenty-something teacher in Lehi are just the latest crop of obviously duped

USEFUL IDIOTS




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Msg ID: 2700007 I would prefer not to live in a Socialist Country or in a Theocracy...  +2/-0     
Author:Jett
8/18/2021 11:58:55 PM

Reply to: 2699999

You should be encouraging your fellow citizens to get vaccinated, those who are telling people not to get vaccinated are causing people tremendous hurt and pain and are killing people.

"Liquid Chips" how stupid is that, I think it's criminal to be spreading crap like that around, I know it's hard to believe, but there are American citizens who actually listen to and believe that shit.

How in the world can you say it's Patriotic for an elected official to stand up in front of several hundred citizens and cheer the fact that they have a pathetic vaccination percentage?

It's just crazy...      



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Msg ID: 2700064 Ah, yes- Mormons! Mountain Meadows Massacres. +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
8/19/2021 12:22:00 PM

Reply to: 2699992

There are things I admire in the LDS that I know.

But- Women are not truly equal in the church or in the home.

And, one might even say that the church is still largely racist:

Forty years on, most Mormons still believe the racist temple ban was God’s will

It's been 40 years since Mormons changed their racially based priesthood/temple ban. Yet new research shows that even now, most Mormons think the ban was God's will.

This month, Mormons are celebrating the reversal of the priesthood/temple ban that was in place in the LDS Church until 1978. In the Next Mormons research, one question we endeavored to answer was how Mormons today feel about the ban.

I found the results surprising, and also rather depressing.

Just to explain this policy, until 1978 any Mormon of African descent was prohibited entrance into the Church’s temples for ordinances such as sealings and endowments. This effectively barred them from entering the highest level of heaven after death (the Celestial Kingdom), which Mormons believe can only be obtained by people who have received those ordinances in the temple.

The ban also prohibited men of African descent from holding the LDS priesthood, despite historical evidence that several black men were ordained to the priesthood under Joseph Smith before Brigham Young forbade it in 1852.

The 2016 NMS asked whether respondents felt that the ban on members of African descent was “inspired of God and was God’s will for the Church until 1978.” Respondents were given a five-point scale of possible responses, with the upshot being that nearly two-thirds of self-identified Latter-day Saints say they either know (37 percent) or believe (25.5 percent) that the ban was God’s will.

Another 17 percent think it might be true, and 22 percent say they know or believe it is false. Overall, then, a majority of Mormons still support the idea that the priesthood/temple ban was inspired by God. Only about one in five say they know or believe the ban to have been wrong.

One major surprise in the data was that Mormons of color were actually more likely to say they knew or believed the ban was God’s will than white Mormons were. 70 percent of non-whites affirmed this, compared to 61 percent of whites. That also remains true when we consider only African American respondents in a group by themselves: 67 percent of African Americans know or believe the priesthood/temple ban was God’s will, which is six points higher than the rate for whites. (The margin of error is high, however, since there were only 50 African American Mormon respondents in the study.)

Just because many non-white Mormons view the priesthood/temple ban as having been inspired by God does not mean they have warm feelings about it. About four in five say they are at least a little “troubled” by the ban, while only one in five are “not at all troubled.” Among white Mormons, by contrast, about one in three were not at all troubled.

One final finding from the research concerned former Mormons. Recall that only about one in five current Mormons say they know or believe the ban to have been wrong. Among former Mormons, that’s almost exactly reversed: only one in five think the ban was right. 83% of those who have left the Church do not think the ban was God’s will.

On a personal note, I’m in the minority here. I’m an active Latter-day Saint who believes the ban was the result of human error.

It was never God’s plan to deny an entire race of people entrance to the temple—and thus to eternal life—simply because of the color of their skin. We did that. Human beings did.

Mormons have come up with at least four different and rather horrifying excuses for our actions, including, in a rough chronological order:

  1. “Blacks bear the mark of Cain.”

This was a nineteenth-century American staple, and as the Church’s 2013 Gospel Topics essay on race points out, was common in society outside of Mormonism. This has not been taught by Mormon leaders for decades, but it’s certainly still on the books from the Young era.

  1. “Blacks were less valiant in the premortal life.”

This idea that blacks failed to choose a side in the “war in heaven” became more common about a hundred years ago, in the early 20th century. (See footnote 14 of the Gospel Topics essay, or Paul Reeve’s outstanding history Religion of a Different Color, 254–256.)

Bruce R. McConkie practically codified this folk belief in his 1950s bestseller Mormon Doctrine, which remained available through the Church’s official publisher until 2010. (See here for my celebratory post when the book was removed from circulation.)

  1. “Blacks just weren’t spiritually ready to have the priesthood until 1978.”

This one hit the news as recently as 2012, when a BYU professor was quoted in the Washington Post as claiming that the ban was actually to the benefit of blacks, because they were not prepared for the responsibility until then. He compared the situation to a child asking for car keys before being mature enough to use them. That same month, the LDS Church issued a statement that disavowed this professor’s reasoning. (“Some explanations with respect to this matter were made in the absence of direct revelation and references to these explanations are sometimes cited in publications. These previous personal statements do not represent Church doctrine.”) But that same statement also leaned heavily upon Reason #4, which was . . .

  1. “Gosh, we just don’t know how or when this happened.”

The Church’s 2012 statement was wonderful in its express condemnation of racism, but puzzling in its insistence that “It is not known precisely why, how or when this restriction began in the Church.” This month’s Ensign magazine further makes the claim that “no known records exist” to explain how the policy came about—which caused Jonathan Stapley to rightly and eloquently cry foul over at By Common Consent. There are copious historical records, and the evolution of the ban has been traced meticulously by historians like Paul Reeve.

The problem is that Mormons want to engage in a collective amnesia because to do otherwise would be to admit the truth: that Brigham Young made a colossal and tragic mistake.

 



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Msg ID: 2700207 Massacres. +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/20/2021 2:21:53 PM

Reply to: 2700064

Typical Crowbot.

Ya know, institutions area lot like people. Good people, if you were to see their lives in their entirety, would have a few pretty bad scenes. I'm sure that's doubly true with you, Crowbot!-- Not even your you could be classified as a "good person" but I digress.

Yeah the Mormons had their massacre. I've been to the site,very interesting. The Paute Indians left that valley after the massacre, considered the place cursed. My great great grandfather was a Mormon child living in Cedar City at the time.. he recalled as a child seeing the blood stained clothing taken from the massacred people (the Fancher Company) on the trading house floor.

So, as LDS President Benson said above, "Time is always  on the side of Truth".. or as the Bible says elsewhere,

"Be sure your sins will find you out.". And "The fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom"

Time: it took twenty years before Mormon Bishop John D Lee, the orchestrator of the massacre,was captured and executed by Federal troops for his crime. He spent a year in jail before hand, writing his memoirs. in his book" the confessions of JD LEE" he implicated then President Brigham Young in the massacre, saying Young had both knowledge and approval beforehand. 

This idea seems to be backed up by the journal of then Apostle John Taylor, who recorded Youngs visit to the site somewhere around 1860 (3 years after the massacre) as I recall.

Federal soldiers had discovered the site, littered with bodies having been unearthed from shallow graves ywild animals. They buried these people in a mass grave, and marked the spot with a 12 foot high cross -- andan iinscription which read: "Vengeance is Mine,sayth The Lord"

According to Taylor, Brother Brigham has the cross torndown, remarking: "Vengeance is mine,and I've taken a little!"

Young was probably refering to the fact these people had come from Arkansas-- where Parley Pratt had been murdered, not to mention the Hauns Mill Massacre in MisDouro years before, and countless abuses in which the Mormons had been the victims.

That aside, Lee's later claims were denied by the Mormons, their version of CNN claimed Brigham was pure as the driven snow-- ( like you Libs think of Obozo and Creepy Joe)

Lee put a Mormon Curse on Brigham ( yes, such things do exist) saying "If Brigham is innocent,he will live. If he is guilty as I have said, he will die within a year."

Lee was excited by a firing  squad. Brigham died of natural causes ONE YEAR to the day after Lee pronounced his own version of "prophesy"

And God,it seems has a sense of humor.. fast forward 120 years. The LDS Church downplayed all the above, insisting BYU's namesake was innocent, Lee acted alone. But the survivors of the dead wanted justice. They wanted access to the site, uncover andDNA ID their relatives, and give them a propper burial. the church owned the land and denied them access, which had pissed them off for generations

So now theLDS church wanted an end to all the negativity. They decidedly recognize the site. They were going to build a monument there. As the first backhoe dug the footers for the monument - (and since no one knew exavtly where these people were buiried in1858 -- thanks to Brigham destroying that cross-)

Paydirt. Femers and Skulls. OMG-- what a LDS public relations disaster!

That said, the LDS church isn't representative of such behavior, as a whole. Ezra Taft Benson was a wise man, and a man of faith.  He nailed you libs in his speech above-- a true Mormon Prophet if there ever was one 

And so, As he said correctly, Time is not a friend of lies and liars .  
Like Brigham, you Libs have your own lies and crimes to cover up.

like Covid and stealing the last election, 

like Mexico and Ukraine,and Afghanistan.

Creepy Joe makes Brother Brigham look like a Saint after all 

And Hoe makes you fools look like

Useful idiots! 

 

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Msg ID: 2700212 You acknowledge the massacre by PEOPLE OF FAITH, what should be an absolute +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
8/20/2021 2:44:04 PM

Reply to: 2700207

You acknowledge the massacre by PEOPLE OF FAITH, which should have been an absolute prohibition to the act.

You dissemble, qualify the evil done as equivalent to the bad things we have all done. That don't work, at least for most people. Perhaps it works for you? Do you have something in your past that diminishes the Mountain Meadows Massacre in comparison?

Christianity, Islam, all religions have acts of great evil in their past 'in the name of....' LDS had and still has great appeal as a community of faith to me. Their dogma has progressed, but there's problems for me. This is an example of a subtext in their practice. And they still use the term 'gentiles' as a demeaning exclusionary. Always struck me odd as they have such an active missionary program.

Old story- I visited Dachau, saw the cremation ovens, etc. It made an impression, as intended. The Germans are dealing with that part of their history forthright and directly. You say the church is doing so in this case, so I believe you. Neither undoes the great evil done in the name the great good.



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Msg ID: 2700243 You acknowledge the massacre by PEOPLE OF FAITH, what should be an absolute +2/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
8/20/2021 9:31:06 PM

Reply to: 2700212

I acknowledge human evil where ever it is found. Singling out the Mormons is Your bigoted and hypocritical practice-- and yet you're quick to defend the Islamic faith from, by all accounts, fanatical elements that would make the 149 people massacres in 1857 seem small by comparison. 9/11/1857 by the way .. 9/11/2001 your favorite immigrants slaughtered 3000 people in NYC.. 

But then you pontificate like Satan himself, sometimes referee to as "the accuser of the brethren" Lucifer, "the light bringer" didn't lie to Eve when he promised a "knowledge of good and EVIL " if she are the proverbial fruit. She wanted to "be like the gods" who, metaphorically included the host of fallen Angels - led by the apostate Lucifer. 

And like Eve you also know the difference between Good and Evil. Original sin, the noetic affect on human progeny, and all that. So stop posturing, fool. The Germans were racists and facsists, and so is the ruling class in our country right now. You voted for em!

War? You went to Vietnam, baby killer! "Napalm sticks to kids" right? You justify that because LBJ told you it was the "patriotic" thing to do, right?

And I went to Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places, for decades longer than your little SE Asia excursion.  Lotsa dead folks, on both sides. And now Creepy Joe has created a human catastrophe in Afghanistan --but that's what happens when Government becomes GOD and the presumed arbiter of good and evil. You libs are dupes of a 80 year communist ideological  insurgency. 

So go pontificate elsewhere, but leave my Mormon friends out of it. President Benson was speaking as a member of the John Birch Society. You won't touch --that -/with a ten foot pole, now will you?
you communist sympathizing

useful idiot!!

 

 



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