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Msg ID: 2700593 A former Pence adviser said Trump had 4 years to help Afghan allies leave t +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/23/2021 11:50:43 AM

Posting this is "shooting fish in a barrel". Muzzies from a shithole country- why would The Donald have any sympathy for an Afghanni? He wouldn't and didn't, even if they assisted in accomplishing American objectives. He would believe as lalla o-muji-dummiezombie maintains: All muslims are violent jihadi terrorists bent on killing Westerners, especially Americans.

A former Pence adviser said Trump had 4 years to help Afghan allies leave the country but Stephen Miller's 'racist hysteria' blocked it from happening

 
 
WASHINGTON, DC - JULY 15: White House Senio­r Advis­er Steph­en Mille­r looks on as President Donald Trump addresses reporters in the Oval Office of the White House after receiving a briefing from law enforcement on "Keeping American Communities Safe: The Takedown of Key MS-13 Criminal Leaders" in Washington DC, on July 15th 2020. (Photo by Anna Moneymaker-Pool/Getty Images)
Former White House aide Stephen Miller is still earning a government salary, new documents show. Anna Moneymaker-Pool/Getty Images
  • A former national security adviser to Mike Pence blasted Donald Trump and Stephen Miller Friday.
  • She claimed the pair actively worked against the visa process for Afghans who helped US troops.
  • The US is now working to evacuate tens of thousands of Afghan allies

A former national security official blamed the Trump administration and former Trump adviser Stephen Miller's "racist hysteria" for impeding the visa application process for Afghans who worked with the US.

Olivia Troye worked as the homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to Vice President Mike Pence. In a Twitter thread Friday, she blasted the Trump administration for its handling of the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) programs that provide a path to US residency for locals who worked with the US government in Afghanistan.

"There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He & his enablers across gov't would undermine anyone who worked on solving the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State," Troye wrote.

Since the Taliban swiftly seized control of Afghanistan Sunday, the US has been struggling to evacuate Americans as well as tens of thousands of Afghan allies who have worked with the US over the past two decades.

The Biden administration has come under sharp criticism from both sides of the aisle for its handling of the US troop withdrawal and subsequent evacuations. But criticism has also been aimed at the Trump administration, including Miller in particular.

 

Troye said she worked on the SIV issue but got "nowhere" because allies of President Donald Trump and Miller at the Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, and other security agencies "made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging."

She said many people within the administration believed the matter was urgent but that many were afraid to oppose the president's allies, adding that there were "many closed door meetings" strategizing how to address the issue.

"Trump had FOUR years-while putting this plan in place-to evacuate these Afghan allies who were the lifelines for many of us who spent time in Afghanistan," she said. "The process slowed to a trickle for reviews/other "priorities"-then came to a halt."

Read more: EXCLUSIVE: Documents reveal how Trump is spending taxpayer money on his postpresidential offices — from printer toner to Stephen Miller's salary

An Afghanistan War veteran told CNN this week that Miller "should be held accountable for war crimes" for opposing the resettlement of endangered Afghans, and that he was "complicit" in their deaths.

Miller is an advocate for strict immigration limits. In an appearance on Fox News Tuesday night, Miller said "those advocating for mass Afghan resettlement are doing so for political and not humanitarian reasons," adding that it would also be too expensive.

"The United States of America never, ever, made a promise, written or unwritten, to the people of Afghanistan that if after 20 years, they were unable to secure their own country, that we would take them to ours. That is nonsense. That has never been US government policy," Miller said.

Insider has reached out to Trump's office and Troye for comment. Stephen Miller could not immediately be reached for comment.



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Msg ID: 2700596 Not worth believing  +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/23/2021 11:59:32 AM

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Many people from many different governmemt organizations have already told us what Trump was doing and why, claiming Trump had a great plan and it was in motion until the current idiot took over.

 



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Msg ID: 2700598 That's absurd. Trump had planned a negotiation with the Taliban but had +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/23/2021 12:08:22 PM

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That's absurd. Trump had planned a negotiation with the Taliban but had DONE NOTHING otherwise.

Your assertion that he had a 'great plan' is a naseless proclamation of your faith in your Dear Leader, idiotic, unless you have specific knowledge of that plan. Trump had, as posted earlier, years to something, anything for Afganistan. Nada.



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Msg ID: 2700600 Why does anyone debate with you when all you do is lie. +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/23/2021 12:22:08 PM

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What damn news do you read or watch.  I really don't have time to respond to this nonsense.  The whole fucking world knows Biden fuckeup and Trumps plan was working well.  Biden rejected anything from Trump and produced the biggest blunder.  Biden's blunder is so bad that a British General has said " Biden should not be impeached but tried for treason".



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Msg ID: 2700599 Even the extreme right wing reactionary nut jobs are divided on +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/23/2021 12:13:06 PM

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Even the extreme right wing reactionary nut jobs are divided on Afghanistan- other than assigning blame, blame earned in my opinion- for an ill-planned hasty action.

Everything after Tora Bora was a failure of American strategy. George W Bush's presidency....

Kabullshit

 

Actual mural at the US embassy in Kabul
 

How much did the Afghan War cost?

“When you add up the cost of Defense and State Department funds sunk into Operations Enduring Freedom and Resolute Support, then throw in the cost of caring for the conflicts’ veterans and the interest on the money borrowed to cover it all, you’re looking at over $2 trillion, according to a report released Friday.” [source]

I estimate that’s about around $7000 per U.S. citizen. Real value for money! What about the allies?

The UK and Germany – who had the largest numbers of troops in Afghanistan after the US – spent an estimated $30bn and $19bn respectively over the course of the war. [source]

Of course, a lot of people also died, but we won’t go into that. So, what was it all about?

The “prole feed” version of why we were in Afghanistan for TWENTY YEARS!!!! was (1) to fight terrorism, (2) improve women’s education and opportunities, and (3) create a nice cosy environment for Afghan’s LGBTQ+ population.

Woke joke!
 
If you believed any of those “Kabullshit” reasons for even five seconds then you were sadly duped. In fact you can be absolutely sure that certain globalist scumbags were pissing themselves laughing at your gullibility.
 
No, the real reasons Western countries poured trillions of dollars into this failed enterprise was because there were real potential benefits to our power elites — at least in the early days. But what were they?
 
One obvious reason was, of course, not even connected to Afghanistan, but to an entirely different country in the Middle East:
 
Stop putting your country so close to our bases!
Yes, having U.S. bases in Afghanistan was a geopolitical move against Iran, either to serve Saudi Arabia, Israel, or the petrodollar, and probably all three. With the pull-out from Afghanistan, the Islamic Republic of Iran looks a little less surrounded than it was.
 
Also, you can extrapolate out from this and see Western involvement in Afghanistan as a move against China and Russia (ChiRus). But that’s a much bigger, fuzzier, and more complex picture, so let’s just stick with keeping this article tightly focused.
 
What other clear, concise reasons, then, did the West have for wasting the first two decades of the 21st century in a Third World shit hole?
 
Well, I guess, opium production is worth taking a look at:
 
 
Yup, that’s right. The Taliban, when they were first in power, were quite effective at stamping out the  opium trade. But once the West installed a puppet government, production shot up.
 
I’m not going to say that was deliberate U.S. policy, because the idea of the American government spending $2 trillion+ just to increase dope production in Central Asia looks retarded. But who knows? In my view, it’s much more a case of farmers turning to a surefire cash crop as a way of surviving the chaos unleashed by Western occupation and Taliban resistance. Also, as part of this picture, there’s plenty of evidence of Afghan government people being tied up in the opium trade and the West turning a blind eye.
 
But other economic factors are far more important.
 
Did you know that Afghanistan is sitting on a treasure trove of minerals? No, I didn’t either until I looked. The media was too busy telling me about how wonderful it was that young girls were being encouraged to burn their hijabs by feminist teachers flown in from the West.
 
Here’s an optimistic report on this mineral wealth from 2014:
 
“Despite being one of the poorest nations in the world, Afghanistan may be sitting on one of the richest troves of minerals in the world, valued at nearly $1 trillion, scientists say.
 
Afghanistan, a country nearly the size of Texas, is loaded with minerals deposited by the violent collision of the Indian subcontinent with Asia. The U.S. Geological Survey began inspecting what mineral resources Afghanistan had after U.S.-led forces drove the Taliban from power in the country in 2004.
 
In 2006, U.S. researchers flew airborne missions to conduct magnetic, gravity and hyperspectral surveys over Afghanistan.
 
The aerial surveys determined that Afghanistan may hold 60 million tons of copper, 2.2 billion tons of iron ore, 1.4 million tons of rare earth elements such as lanthanum, cerium and neodymium, and lodes of aluminum, gold, silver, zinc, mercury and lithium. For instance, the Khanneshin carbonatite deposit in Afghanistan’s Helmand province is valued at $89 billion, full as it is with rare earth elements.”
But minerals are hard to get out. The real riches lie just beyond Afghanistan, with Afghanistan merely serving as a stepping stone to get at them.
 
To the North of Afghanistan lies Turkmenistan, which has almost as much natural gas as the United States. As a remote, landlocked country, surrounded by greedy neighbours, however, it has very few easy routes to offload this precious resource.
 
Here’s a graph showing how it measures up to the other big gas producers:
That’s Turkmenistan in 6th place, right behind the USA.
Back in the early days of the occupation, the plan was to pacify the country and then build a nice, long pipeline through Afghanistan, linking Turkmenistan to Pakistan, India, and the Indian Ocean.
 
 
Yeh, I know, in hindsight it looks pretty stupid, and Pakistan is far from being a reliable ally. But in the early Zeroes, it must have seemed almost a possibility. So, what went wrong?
 

Well, quite simply, the US had a rival, namely China, which decided, as part of its Belt and Road Strategy, to build its own pipeline linking Turkmenistan to China’s vast industrial hinterland. By 2009, Turkmeni natural gas was flowing all the way to Shanghai.

That was the real death knell for Western involvement in Afghanistan, greatly lowering the incentives to stay there year after year.

 

After 2009, Western involvement increasingly became a question of saving face and protecting political reputations, while also forlornly hoping that the Afghans would turn their backs on the Taliban.

The writing was clearly on the wall, but the Obama Administration thought it was worth a couple more rolls of the dice. That is what led to the pointless troop surges of 2009 and 2010:

 
 
Once that failed, it was merely a case of hanging on to pass the poisoned chalice of defeat to someone else. Finally, in the last few days, it ended up on Joe Biden’s lips. Suck it up, Joe! You’re the fall guy for decades of failure.


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