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Msg ID: 2704970 Old Dude, I Thought You Said Arizona Was Going To Decertify? +4/-0     
Author:Jett
9/25/2021 3:36:45 PM

You said it was all fake news that Donnie got his ass handed to him in Arizona. The fake news was Donnie claiming that this audit by hand picked Extreme Righties was going to show massive fraud, it didn't. 

It was simply more proof that "The Big Lie" was actually the biggest hoax in history on the American people by Donnie and the Trumplicans. 

Old Dude, Flipper, Obsy, Zombie, and Fondy were the cheerleader's of the Big Lie, but all involved have made complete fools of themselves. All of you owe this forum an apology for raping our ears for six months with your stupid lies. 

It's more proof that all of you are Cultists, Trumplicans aren't a movement, it's a stupid cult. Three things are perfectly clear, Donnie LOST, Biden WON, and you guys are IDIOTS...         



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Msg ID: 2704986 Can’t you be realistic about this +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/25/2021 6:37:03 PM

Reply to: 2704970

The audit had 133 pages and no place on any page did it say that it confirms Biden won, NO PLACE!

The idea that it confirmed anything can from fake news.

The audit did a count of ballots and reported Biden had a lead, but the audit contained page after page of votes that should be voided.  The audit did not have the authority to cancel any vote, it only had the authority to say which votes show be voided.  Now as the audit becomes more understood by the leglators and bills and votes happen it is very possible that the election will become  decertified.

Look the report was released late Friday, this is the weekend, not much will happen for days if not weeks.  But you fools on the left believe any fake news from the left well before the issues can even be looked into.  Even before this report was released Bladeslap post that Biden's win was confirmed.  100% bull shit!

WHY IS THAT?



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Msg ID: 2705037 And in NO PLACE did it overturn the election certification. (NT) +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/26/2021 11:38:56 AM

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Msg ID: 2705044 Still not conceding? Really? +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
9/26/2021 1:10:23 PM

Reply to: 2704986

You are still holding onto the hope?

Preliminary report says "Biden gained votes". Is that fake news?



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Msg ID: 2705146 "Still not conceding? Really?" That's the only way The Donald is pertinent. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/27/2021 10:31:24 AM

Reply to: 2705044

"Still not conceding? Really?"

Trump's appeal is the big lie. Say it often, say it loud and people will eventually forget that it is false.

The real danger is Trumpism is the denial of the basis of American democracy- the popular vote. Trump, Trumpism is rule by mob, proven by the January 6 attack on the election process.



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Msg ID: 2705148 Crow are you really that sick? +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/27/2021 10:59:26 AM

Reply to: 2705146

The American Democracy has been destroyed by the left!  The popular vote has been destroyed by the left.

who was the ones that said, "let's just mass mail out ballots to everyone"?

who was the one that said,  "we don need to check signatures on ballots"?

who the one that, kicked out election inspectors from the tabulationareas.?

who the one that, pull boxes out ballots out from under the desk?

who are the ones that changed election rules without a legislative vote?

who are the one that allowed private citizens to finance some election proceedings.

who is the one that had unsecured ballot collection boxes?

who is the one that allow illegal to vote?

who is the one that did not update registration rolls and allowed dead people to vote?

who is the one that allowed people to vote in more than one state, country or city?

Who is the one that allowed multiple fallouts with the same name and address?

This list of what they allowed and then claimed "NO FRAUD HERE" is almost endless,

you are a fool if you don't think the left is destroing the American democracy!  

useful idiot 

 



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Msg ID: 2705157 Your answer is to control the ballot. Allow only those you agree with the +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/27/2021 12:44:52 PM

Reply to: 2705148

Your answer is to control the ballot. Allow only those you agree with the franchise.

You, Trumpists know that 110% of votes won't go to your candidate, that kind of fraud is obvious. So, you wish to control the vote by carefully controlling the demographic of the votes. The precincts that are likely to vote against you? You make it difficult, expensive to cast a ballot.

 

"who the one that, pull boxes out ballots out from under the desk?"

Typical Trump bullsh- I heard that... I'm not saying it's so, but it's what people are saying. Cite evidence of your assertion.

 

"who are the one that allowed private citizens to finance some election proceedings."

An overly broad assertion, so WTF are you talking about?



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Msg ID: 2705160 Do you pay attention to the news? +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
9/27/2021 12:53:59 PM

Reply to: 2705157

Your first statement is complete bull shit, NO ONE is controlling the demographics of the votes.  That is just a left talking point with No proof.  It is just fake news and you are posting it because you are being manipulated.  Please post were this is happening, because it is not.

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2705163 Do you pay attention to the news? +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/27/2021 1:04:58 PM

Reply to: 2705160

"Your first statement is complete bull shit, NO ONE is controlling the demographics of the votes."

Bullsh. Here's an article from fivethirtyeight.com to support my assertion. Fivethirtyeight is as non-partisan.

 

The States Where Efforts To Restrict Voting Are Escalating

ILLUSTRATION BY FIVETHIRTYEIGHT

Even though the 2020 election is over, many Republicans are still holding onto the “Big Lie,” or the baseless claim that voter fraud cost former President Donald Trump the presidential election. Trump has managed to not only persuade his base that the election was “stolen,” but now many state legislators are using it as a justification to restrict voting rights. Over the last few months, a bevy of bills have been introduced at the state level that — if passed — could make it harder for millions of Americans to cast their ballots. 

One of the biggest battlegrounds has been Georgia, where last Thursday a controversial package of new voter restrictions was signed into law. Among its many provisions: Absentee voters will now be required to prove their identity, people are prohibited from handing out food and water to voters waiting in line, and the state board of elections is empowered to remove local election officials. Legislators in Michigan and Wisconsin have also deemed “election integrity” a priority and introduced a raft of legislation to prohibit election administrators from proactively sending out vote-by-mail applications, tighten voter-ID requirements and more. 

But the push to restrict voting rights expands beyond just a few states. According to the Brennan Center for Justice, a voting rights advocacy group, 253 bills to restrict voting access had been introduced in 43 state legislatures as of Feb. 19. And according to our own tracking, at least 53 additional bills have been introduced since then.1 Of these 306 bills, 89 percent were sponsored entirely or primarily by Republicans, according to the bill-tracking service LegiScan.

Notably, the four states where the greatest number of voting-restriction bills have been filed — Georgia, Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania — were some of the closest states in last year’s presidential election. They also all voted for President Biden — the first time Georgia and Arizona voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in over two decades — and have Republican-controlled legislatures, making them especially fertile ground for new voting restrictions. 

“The politicians introducing new voter restrictions are clearly folks who are looking at changing demographics and changing political winds, and trying to manipulate the rules of the game so that they have some job security,” said Myrna Pérez, the director of the Brennan Center’s Voting Rights and Elections Program, who also warned that the restrictions would disproportionately disenfranchise communities of color. “Rather than competing for voters, they are trying to fence some voters out and make it harder for them to vote.”

A set of six “Georgia voter” stickers, where the text is printed over a peach that has lines like a basketball

RELATED: Why Georgia’s New Voting Law Is Such A Big Deal Read more. »

At this point, the most concerted effort appears to be centered on rolling back absentee voting, which shifted significantly toward Democrats in 2020 and helped clinch Biden’s victory. To some extent, given the expansion of absentee voting during the pandemic — and Republican voters’ skepticism of it — it’s not surprising that Republicans are primarily targeting this type of voting. But as Pérez told us, “Absentee ballots have been largely uncontroversial when they were used by older, whiter, Republican-leaning Americans,” but “as soon as communities of color started [using them] … we’re starting to see restrictions.” And up until the 2020 election, there really hadn’t been a partisan split in which party used mail-in voting.

Nevertheless, a near-majority — 49 percent — of the voter restrictions that have been introduced included provisions to restrict absentee voting. 

The second-biggest category was bills that included some form of a voter ID law (23 percent of the bills tracked).2 Requiring people to show proof of identity before voting has long been a policy priority for Republicans, who claim it’s necessary to combat voter fraud (Democrats, on the other hand, argue it’s a way to prevent a disproportionately nonwhite, Democratic-leaning demographic from voting). So it makes sense that more voter ID laws have also been a big part of Republicans’ current push for voter restrictions, especially since part of the “Big Lie” is that millions of ineligible voters cast a ballot (they didn’t).

Forty-seven bills have also been introduced relating to voter registration,3 38 that would purge people from the voter rolls and 24 dealing with in-person early voting. 

But there’s an important catch: Most of these bills are not going to pass. A full 89 out of the 306 (29 percent) were introduced in Democratic-controlled legislative chambers — making most of them dead on arrival. And although the sheer number of bills being introduced in Republican-controlled legislatures is notable, many of them will probably die too. The legislative process is full of arcane obstacles and pitfalls that can halt even popular bills, and several of the proposed bills were so extreme that many Republicans didn’t support them either.

Still, what’s in the bills is more important than how many pass, and many of them would still have wide-ranging implications for future elections — even if only a handful of them become law. As of Friday, March 26, 53 of the 306 bills had passed at least one step of the legislative process and still had a chance of becoming law.4 In total, nine had passed committee, while 34 had passed one legislative chamber. Four had passed both legislative chambers and were awaiting the governor’s signature, and six had already been enacted. Those six are:

  • Kentucky bill that prohibits the governor and secretary of state from changing election laws in an emergency, as they did last year to allow anyone to cast an absentee ballot amid the pandemic.
  • A pair of Arkansas bills that tighten the state’s voter ID law — most notably, to remove the option for ID-less voters to sign an affidavit attesting to their identity.
  • Utah bill that cross-references the voter rolls with death records and purges any matches.
  • major election-law overhaul in Iowa that, among other things, cuts nine days of early voting, closes Election Day polling places one hour earlier, gives voters less time to request and return absentee ballots, caps the number of ballot drop boxes at one per county and prohibits people from returning someone else’s absentee ballot (with limited exceptions for caregivers, family and household members).
  • And, of course, that controversial Georgia bill. In addition to the provisions we already described, the law restricts drop boxes to early voting locations, standardizes early-voting hours, gives voters less time to request absentee ballots, prohibits the mailing of unsolicited absentee-ballot applications, allows unlimited voter challenges and prescribes a series of smaller changes. 

But several more voter restrictions appear likely to become law in the coming weeks or months. Some of the most impactful ones include:

The big question is whether these bills will do what Democrats worry — and some Republicans openly hope — they will do: Help the GOP win elections by suppressing voter turnout. But the answer is far from clear. Despite Republicans’ protestations, study after study has found that mail-in voting does not give either party an advantage — so new laws restricting it might not either. Some of these new laws might not survive until the next election, either, because of court challenges. 

And Democrats, of course, have one big trump card they could play: The federal For The People Act, better known as HR 1, which would require states to offer universal early voting, no-excuse absentee voting, same-day voter registration and automatic voter registration (and much more) in federal elections. Democrats may find it difficult to scrounge up enough votes in the Senate to pass it, but it would override many of these new state-level restrictions.

But even if HR 1 were to pass, it wouldn’t be the end of the fight over voting rights. As long as a belief in the “Big Lie” persists, Pérez said, Republicans will continue to use voter disenfranchisement as a tool to win elections. “I think it reflects a real fear over the browning of America, and folks trying to protect what they have and keep the power for themselves.”

CORRECTION (March 30, 2021, 2:04 p.m.): This article previously mischaracterized two aspects of a West Virginia voting bill. The bill does not remove a Saturday in early voting, but does shorten the early voting period by one day. It also doesn’t fully purge voters who do not vote for two years, but instead changes these voters’ status to “inactive.”

 



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Msg ID: 2705169 Do you pay attention to the news? +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/27/2021 1:39:35 PM

Reply to: 2705163

What a big bunch of bull shit! Read your article.  It makes many claims but not one word of how.  Like an ID card is restricting your right to vote.  Or the idea that you must register to vote. Or really you must be absent for a absentee ballot.  None of that is restricting anyones right to vote.

Useful idiot 

 



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Msg ID: 2705172 which of the issues raised enable the vote? (NT) +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/27/2021 1:59:50 PM

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Msg ID: 2705161 Old Dude, I Thought You Said Arizona Was Going To Decertify? +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
9/27/2021 12:56:45 PM

Reply to: 2704970

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fulton-county-georgia-no-mystery-ballots-under-table-investigator-affidavit

 



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Msg ID: 2705165 Fulton County is not in Arizona +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/27/2021 1:11:09 PM

Reply to: 2705161

This is why Trump hates, attacks Brad Raffensperger. Raffensperger, a Republican but not a Trumpist, has integrity.

The potential issue has been dealt with.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger calls for firing of Fulton County election officials

  • Three separate audits of Georgia's 2020 election results found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
  • Raffensperger, a Republican, faces primary challenger U.S. Rep Jody Hice for another term.

WASHINGTON – Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Thursday called for the firing of two county-level election officials, citing "continued failures" in handling and administering elections in Fulton County.

"Fulton County’s continued failures have gone on long enough with no accountability. Rick Barron and Ralph Jones, Fulton’s registration chief, must be fired and removed from Fulton’s elections leadership immediately. Fulton’s voters and the people of Georgia deserve better," Raffensperger tweeted

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported earlier this week that 200 absentee ballots in Fulton County had been scanned twice before the recount.

Ga. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Nov. 11, 2020.
 

Three separate audits of Georgia's 2020 election results found no evidence of widespread voter fraud. 

Fact check: No evidence of fraud in Georgia election

Local county officials have been at war over whether or not to fire Barron, the county's election's director. Democratic members of the Fulton County Commission want to keep him, while Republican members want to fire him, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

In a statement Thursday responding to Raffensperger, Fulton County Commission Chairman Robb Pitts, a Democrat, defended Barron and accused the secretary of state of trying to appease primary election supporters who soured on him after he rejected allegations of widespread fraud in the last election.

Raffensperger, a Republican, faces primary challenger U.S. Rep Jody Hice for another term. Hice has been endorsed by former President Donald Trump, who repeatedly attacked Raffensperger after Biden won the state in 2020. Trump also on Wednesday said he would not support Sen. Butch Miller, running for lieutenant governor in the state. Though Miller backs Trump, he has not repeated Trump's false claim that he was cheated out of 16 electoral votes.

Democratic and Republican representatives review absentee ballots at the Fulton County Election Preparation Center Nov. 4 in Atlanta.
 

Contributing: Associated Press



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Msg ID: 2705170 Right not in Georgia—BUT +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/27/2021 1:46:45 PM

Reply to: 2705165

It is a great example of the left destroying the American democracy and the peoples vote.

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2705173 Explain: It is a great example of the left destroying the American democra +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/27/2021 2:17:25 PM

Reply to: 2705170

Explain: "It is a great example of the left destroying the American democracy and the peoples vote."



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Msg ID: 2705209 Old Dude, Stop With All Of The Election Fraud Nonsense! +3/-0     
Author:Jett
9/27/2021 7:13:54 PM

Reply to: 2705170

There was no election fraud to amount to anything in the election. You're in a damn Cult led by a clown who wears orange makeup. You just parrot what he says with complete disregard for the damage it's doing to our country!

People who are close to him have come out and said the reason he won't let it go is because if he does he will be known historically as "A Loser" and his ego just can't handle that.

I've got news for you and him both, he's going to be known as a loser no matter what... 



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Msg ID: 2705215 Really +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
9/27/2021 8:22:47 PM

Reply to: 2705209

Here is a good read for you

https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-gop-senator-claims-audit-results-prove-bidens-election-win-should-nullified-1633223



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Msg ID: 2705268 Nullify the election? Because Trump didn't win it? Okay, but first you must +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
9/28/2021 1:39:53 PM

Reply to: 2705215

Nullify the election? Because Trump didn't win it? Proof that you, like Trump, don't believe in elections. Say Hail!

But first you must amend the Constitution.



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