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Msg ID: 2707970 To Bladeslap from below +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
10/18/2021 3:00:39 PM

You have posted about Obama, jobs and debt, the facts debunk your post.

JOBS:

Obama last 36 months did produce a good number of jobs.  BUT, because of his stagnant economy he replaced good jobs with bad jobs.  He set records for part time workers and minimum wage workers increased by 15%.  His big job growth was in low-wage work!  Trump on the other had set record employment rates and record average income index increase! 

DEBT:

Now Biden has the record for the biggest increase in one Fiscal year, $28.4 trillion.

The best way to measure president's Debt increase is to add up their budget deficits and compare that to the debt increase when they took office.

Obama added the 5th largest percentage of increase compared to all of the presidents, NO Trump did not beat him.

The average debt increase per year in office:

     Trump was 4.48%

     Obama almost double that at 8.24%

Both spent way more than they should have, and Obama spent much more!  One of the real issues is what that extra money got spent on.  Trump purchased a lot of manufacturers products, such as jet fighters and respirators.  Obama spend money on BLUE SKY, such as bankrupt solar panel and electric car companies.

useful idiot 

 



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Msg ID: 2707983 Donald Trump built a national debt so big (even before the pandemic) that i +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/18/2021 4:09:32 PM

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Msg ID: 2707995 Again a post that show how little you understand +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
10/18/2021 6:16:48 PM

Reply to: 2707983

Fake and/or blown out of reality:

If Trumps national debt was so big, which was a 16.08% increase, that it weighted down the economy for years.  How much did Obama's national debt,  increase of 74%, weigh down our economy?   

Hey! The US credit rating is determined by the governments ability to pay its debt,  then could you explain why the World Bank raised the US back up to the highest credit rating, once Trump economics policies of tax cuts took place?

Could you explain, how did the government's revenue reach an all time record with Trumps tax cuts in place?


Crow, there is three questions for you to explain.

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2708050 Again a post that show how little you understand +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/19/2021 11:45:11 AM

Reply to: 2707995

"If Trumps national debt was so big, which was a 16.08% increase, that it weighted down the economy for years.  How much did Obama's national debt,  increase of 74%, weigh down our economy?"

What was Trump's campaign promise? To pay the national debt off within 8 years. Confirm that you know Trump was elected after Obama and his administrations' increase in the national debt? Instead, Trump increased it by 16.08%. You can't fault Obama, a Democrat, for one thing and credit Trump, nominally a Republican and a conservative, for doing the same thing- increasing the national debt.

 

"Hey! The US credit rating is determined by the governments ability to pay its debt,  then could you explain why the World Bank raised the US back up to the highest credit rating, once Trump economics policies of tax cuts took place?"

You assume that I must credit the World Bank's decision as rational.

 

"Could you explain, how did the government's revenue reach an all time record with Trumps tax cuts in place?"

I am a conservative Republican, so that's an easy question: A high tide lifts all boats as does a nominal rate cut. More money to spend means more demand for business development.

This must be carefully balanced against spending required to fill actual national needs. That is the issue- Trump's cuts in healthcare came back to bite him in the 2020 election- his response to the novel coronavirus is a justifiable argument against reelection. And cost hundreds of thousands of American lives, initiated a sharp economic contraction.

Note the contraction in revenue, excepting social security as the Covid Recession affected the economy:



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Msg ID: 2708032 Comlete and utter distortion +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
10/19/2021 7:31:59 AM

Reply to: 2707970

As usual Old guy, you don't have a grasp

Obama inherited a financial crisis with the deficit ALREADY going out of control. The economy was in a freefall

If you want to make an intelligent argument, why don't you attempt to paint the picture in a more accurate way.

In fact, why don't you look at Obama's yearly deficit, besides the first year, continue to go DOWN. Every single year. Then, Trump came in office an increased the deficit EVERY YEAR. He borroed for prosperity. Too bad you you can't wrap your brain around that.

 



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Msg ID: 2708038 You Lose Bladeslap wins +2/-0     
Author:Kraus
10/19/2021 8:40:28 AM

Reply to: 2707970

Obama created more jobs in his last 3 years than Trump in his first 3 years

Obama had a higher GDP than Trump

Why are you arguing when the facts don't support you?



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Msg ID: 2708066 Really +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
10/19/2021 1:40:00 PM

Reply to: 2708038

If you think pert time jobs and mi wage jobs are good, then you are right.

you are going to have to prove a link to make your point, because it is fake.

 



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Msg ID: 2708209 If you think pert time jobs and mi wage jobs are good, then you are right. +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/20/2021 11:46:52 AM

Reply to: 2708066

"If you think pert time jobs and mi wage jobs are good, then you are right."

Are you saying that sitting at home collecting benefits is better? 

Any job is better than no work. 

Any job is an entry point into the industry in which you can advance. Mail room to CEO is cliche, but there has to have been some truth or it would be laughed out of the room like Trump being a conservative Republican is.



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Msg ID: 2708211 Us your god given brain +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
10/20/2021 12:07:27 PM

Reply to: 2708209

Obama policies moved many good paying jobs overseas, that has been proven time and time again.

1 in 6 manufacturing jobs went over seas.

More than 8 million of the jobs created during the Obama's year were part time or contracted work.

Minimum wage jobs increased buy 15%.

Yes any job is better than no job,  but good jobs are better than bad ones!

I am saying Obama was horrible for the US!  People like him as a person, in fact, I would pick Obama to go have a beer with over Trump.  But he as still a horrible president compared to Trump.

useful Idiot 

 



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