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Msg ID: 2708174 Obama ranked as one of top 10 best presidents ever +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
10/20/2021 9:06:05 AM

Obama, on multiple surveys, invluding by historians (both liberal and conservative) have Ranked President Obama in the top 10 best presidents of all time.

Trump, on the other hand, has been ranked 2nd to worst or worst.

Trump had one of the worst overall approval ratings of any president in recorded history.

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/articles/ranking-americas-worst-presidents - Ranks Trump in bottom 2

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States - Bottom 3 for Trump -This is over multiple measures and metrics from Historians

Obama in the top 10 

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/3/ - Trump bottom 3 again

So Old guy, you can rank them in your mind the way you seem fit. It's just that it's your own imgaination and you're entitled to it!



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Msg ID: 2708198 You don’t really believe that, +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
10/20/2021 10:50:02 AM

Reply to: 2708174

There is a percentage of people in the US that have Trump Derangement Syndrome, not just you.

This mental deficiency shows up many ways as people with TDS express themselves.  The amount of fake news has expanded into all kinds of sources, and your links are a good example.  But let's look at facts, and what you see every day!

Trump scares the crap out of many on the left, because of his popularity.  You are scared he will run again, that is why there is a constant supply of hateful fake news about Trump.

The left has spent years now with fake stories about Trump, like Russian, Russian, even impeached him twice and still a record number of people voted for him.  Even today a majority of the people polled (53%) think Biden did not win.

He still headlines the news, his popularity means he get constantly covered.

He still packs people in to see him, NO other politican has ever put up those size of crowds.

When he gives anyone an endorsement for some political office, whey win!  His endorsements are prized and highly desirable.

The survyes of his ranking you posted cannot possibly be correct, when people in large numbers polled said they will vote for him again.  Like 74% of the republicans!

They are just opinion articles, written by people with TDS. Just like you!

useful idiot 



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Msg ID: 2708202 You don’t really believe that, +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
10/20/2021 11:11:43 AM

Reply to: 2708198

Yes, I agree with you Old guy, You DO have Trump Derangemnt Syndrome. Trump supporters become deranged and believe anything he says. They learn to hate anything and anybody who understands what Trump is really about.

You are legitimatley one of those most foolish and ignorant people i have met. You actually BELIEVE all the lies trump has told you. The good thing is he got denied a second term, because he basically sucks ass.

Histotrians Rate Trump as an Abject Failure

Historians Rate Obama as a major success

The people also agree with those

So, when you get over your TDS, let us know how you feel? Kapish?

Let's review all the people in Trump's inner circle who say he's a complete fool, incapable of being the president, a pathological liar...No, I'll save that for a new message - You can feel free to respond to that

 



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Msg ID: 2708204 He does believe Blade, he's in a Cult... +3/-0     
Author:Jett
10/20/2021 11:20:53 AM

Reply to: 2708202

The trumplicans are way beyond a political movement, it's a Cult...



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Msg ID: 2708223 You don’t really believe that, +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
10/20/2021 2:01:20 PM

Reply to: 2708202

we can come up with a lot of names of people that think Obama was a complete failure, too.

as time goes on, and the truth is exposed, Obama will drop and Trump will rise, which is already starting to happen!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/list-200-reasons-why-obama-is-worst-president-in-history

useful idiot!



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Msg ID: 2708224 You don’t really believe that, +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/20/2021 2:08:38 PM

Reply to: 2708198

"When he gives anyone an endorsement for some political office, whey (sic) win!  His endorsements are prized and highly desirable." 

Even 3 years ago Trump's endorsement was losing ground...

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President Trump claimed victory in a news conference on Wednesday after Democrats took control of the House but Republicans kept their majority in the Senate.

Mark Wilson/Getty Images

Updated Nov. 18 at 3:40 p.m. ET

President Trump often employs the power of positive thinking when it comes to his own shortcomings, choosing to promote the wins rather than wallow or search for lessons in the losses. And so it was with his claim of a "very close to complete victory" in Tuesday's election, even though Democrats took control of the House.

Touting his blitz of rallies, especially in the two months before the election, Trump said his vigorous campaigning "stopped the blue wave that they talked about," resulting in a "great victory."

"And the history really will see what a good job we did in the final couple of weeks," he said, "in terms of getting some tremendous people over the finish line."

In 2018, he held 44 "Make America Great Again" rallies and tweeted endorsements of 83 candidates. In all, 91 Republican candidates got some kind of nod from Trump.

But Trump's actual success record fell well short of a "complete victory." Overall, approximately 58 percent of the candidates he endorsed have won so far. But votes are still being tallied in a number of tight races.

Using tweets as a stand-in for endorsements, in primaries, Trump's chosen candidates fared remarkably well, with a record of 27-1. But in the general election, where Republican base voters weren't the only ones deciding the outcome, Trump's scorecard is mixed, with 53 wins, 36 losses and two races not yet decided (as of this writing). That's counting candidates he tweeted endorsements for or who spoke onstage at MAGA rallies with him. There were also two special House elections in 2018, which one of his candidates won and one lost.

In the closing week of campaigning, Trump turned away from the House, where many of the most competitive races ran through suburbs, focusing his attention on Senate and gubernatorial races in states where he is relatively popular.

On election night, White House political director Bill Stepien explained, "these are Trump states and his record of achievements going back to his historic 2016 victory put these races in play."

Overall, of the Trump-endorsed 17 candidates for governor, ten won and seven lost.

The final week of rallies does appear to have paid off, with Republicans winning governor's race in Ohio and Senate seats in Missouri, Tennessee and Indiana. In Georgia, the Republican gubernatorial candidate, Brian Kemp, declared victory, defeated Democrat Stacey Abrams. In Florida, the Trump-endorsed gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis won after a recount.

Trump crowed about gubernatorial wins in important 2020 swing states including Ohio and Florida, but he failed to acknowledge losses for Republicans in Colorado, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

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On the day after the election, it became clear Democratic Sen. Jon Tester had squeaked out a victory in Montana. This was a race Trump had taken a personal interest in because Tester was involved in tanking the nomination of White House doctor Ronny Jackson to become VA secretary. Trump held four rallies in the state this year but wasn't able to push Republican Matt Rosendale over the finish line.

Almost a full week after the election, Rep. Martha McSally, who Trump had held a rally for, conceded the Arizona Senate race. The seat, held by retiring Trump nemesis Sen. Jeff Flake, is the second Senate seat to flip from a Republican to a Democrat in 2018. Nevada also flipped. Meanwhile, three Democratic senators lost to Republicans Trump endorsed.

Trump's record with Senate endorsements so far: ten wins, 10 losses. One race remains undecided with the Mississippi Senate race going to a runoff (as expected).

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Trump argues he defied history because Republicans made gains in the Senate in a midterm. But the races this year happened to be fought in overwhelmingly friendly territory for Republicans, with numerous Democrats up for re-election in states Trump won in 2016.

Among the losses in the House were a number of Republican candidates who failed to embrace the president. In their districts, Trump was toxic and they felt they had to distance themselves from him to survive. But they lost anyway. In his news conference Wednesday, Trump mocked them.

"They did very poorly. I'm not sure that I should be happy or sad, but I feel just fine about it. Carlos Curbelo, Mike Coffman — too bad, Mike," Trump said dismissively before ticking through several other candidates who had pushed back on his rhetoric or policies. "Mia Love gave me no love. And she lost. Too bad. Sorry about that, Mia."

It's not at all clear that embracing Trump would have changed their fortunes given the mood of voters in those districts. Of the eight losing candidates Trump called out for not holding him closely enough, Trump had endorsed three of them.

Overall, Trump's record in House races where he endorsed candidates at rallies or on Twitter was 33 wins, 19 losses and one still undecided.

NPR Washington Desk intern Naomi Shah contributed to this story.



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Msg ID: 2708225 https://ballotpedia.org › Endorsements by DonaldTru... Eighteen of the 23 (NT) +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/20/2021 2:11:03 PM

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Msg ID: 2708227 https://ballotpedia.org › Endorsements by DonaldTru... Eighteen of the 23  +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
10/20/2021 2:23:53 PM

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But here's my favorite Trump endorsed loser, lost to somebody(?) named Jon Ossoff. WTF was Jon Ossoff who beat an old Georgia political war horse, David Perdue?

You ever heard of the step and a half snake? Bitten, you get no further- Trump, even now, is becoming a step and a half political force. Wait until the indictments start coming to trial....

 

David Perdue (Republican) was a member of the U.S. Senate from Georgia. He was first elected in 2014, and his term ended on January 3, 2021. Perdue ran for re-election and lost to Jon Ossoff (D) in the Senate runoff election on January 5, 2021.

In the 2014 election, Perdue defeated Michelle Nunn (D) 53% to 45%. He replaced retiring incumbent Saxby Chambliss (R).

Prior to running for Senate, Perdue served as CEO of Reebok, Dollar General, and Pillowtex.[1] Former Georgia Gov. and Trump administration Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue (R) is his cousin.[2]

 

Jon Ossoff No Longer Wants to Be Republican-Lite

 
A NEW PLAYBOOK

The candidate once called the “high priest” of civility has switched up his sermon—and it’s not just Trump he’s targeting in sharp terms now, but Trumpism as well.

Elijah Nouvelage/Bloomberg/Getty

 

ATLANTA—When a 30-year old named Jon Ossoff burst onto the national political scene in 2017, he didn’t talk much about Donald Trump.

Running in the first major special election of the Trump era—in the same district that Newt Gingrich once held—Ossoff conspicuously avoided attacks on the then new president. He presented himself as a centrist, not a #Resistance liberal; a candidate more worried about wasteful government spending than Trump.

More than three years after that defeat, the candidate once called the “high priest” of civility by The Washington Post has switched up his sermon. Where he once pulled his punches on Trump, Ossoff—now facing Sen. David Perdue (R-GA) in a runoff race with control of the U.S. Senate on the line—frames Democrats’ all-important Georgia campaign as a way to stop “a figure like Donald Trump” from “attain[ing] power by simply threatening to burn it all down.”

And it’s not just Trump he’s targeting in sharp terms, but Trumpism as well.

“I think that leadership like Donald Trump's only grows out of soil that’s already been poisoned,” Ossoff said in a Tuesday interview with The Daily Beast, after a campaign event in downtown Atlanta. “So these races are about whether this incoming administration in the next Congress will have the capacity to govern and enact legislation that serves the interests of working families, and whether we can get things done that helps people will determine whether down the road, there's a resurgence of reactionary, right-wing extremism.”

The change in Ossoff’s rhetoric doesn’t just show his evolution as a candidate. It also reflects how dramatically the political terrain has shifted in Georgia, and nationwide, over four years of Trump in the White House.

On his way to the White House, Joe Biden carried Georgia by 12,000 votes, the first win by a Democratic presidential candidate here since 1992. He won the Sixth Congressional District that Ossoff lost in 2017 by an 11-point margin; Democratic Rep. Lucy McBath has now twice defeated Karen Handel, the Republican who first beat Ossoff there.

To win in Georgia, Ossoff and Raphael Warnock—the minister challenging Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA)—are betting on the new formula, not the one that seemed ripe for 2017 or the Republican-lite playbook employed for decades by southern Democrats. Those who know Ossoff well say they wished he’d done this earlier.

“I think what’s happened with Jon from his original run to now, he has really found his authentic voice and who he is, and not just what the consultant class perceives he needs to be,” said state Sen. Jen Jordan, a Democrat whose district falls within the Sixth Congressional and a friend of Ossoff’s. “The maturation from the congressional race to now—and he was a good congressional candidate—the maturation has been really incredible to watch,” she said.

Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA), Ossoff’s former boss on Capitol Hill, said his onetime aide relied on consultants too heavily in his 2017 run, “but this time, he has called all of the shots.”

“He’s been a hands-on candidate,” Johnson told The Daily Beast. “He hasn't left this campaign in the hands of anyone other than himself.”

The question now is whether the 33-year old can steer himself to victory in what might be the most intensely-hyped Senate campaign in recent history. He is seen as having a tougher race than Warnock, who is running against Loeffler, an appointed senator whose short tenure in office has been marked by controversy over her financial dealings. Perdue, first elected in 2014, has a name brand in Georgia politics—his cousin, Sonny, was a two-term governor—and nearly avoided a runoff against Ossoff by coming close to getting 50 percent of the vote in the November general election.

 

But Ossoff is seeking to make up ground as a GOP civil war unfolds. Since Nov. 3, Trump has fixated on Georgia as ground zero for his election loss, sewing widespread distrust in the state’s election system, hammering GOP elected officials, and prompting alarm in the party that his most devoted supporters may stay home in the January runoff.

 

“What you're starting to see now is some Republicans peeking their heads over the parapet as the dust clears on the presidential and saying hey, we just took the worst beating for an incumbent president seeking reelection since Roosevelt crushed Hoover in 1932, maybe the vise grip that the Trump family has on the GOP is not sustainable electorally or sensible,” said Ossoff. “I want to urge folks within the GOP who recognize Trumpism as a dead end and bad for the country to speak out now that he's been defeated.”

But while Ossoff may speak more freely and critically of the Republican Party in the age of Trump, he insists that he isn’t closing the door on working with its members. The Democrat said there may be bipartisan energy to rethink key economic policies, and suggested he’d make it a priority to work with GOP senators on that front—specifically mentioning Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO), an avowed Trumpist who has nevertheless been the loudest Republican voice pushing for $2,000 direct checks as part of a coronavirus relief bill.

“There are some folks, I think in the Senate, including perhaps Mr. Hawley, who see that there may actually be a bipartisan coalition that can be built to rethink some of this stuff,” said Ossoff.

Should he be elected, Ossoff would likely enter a Senate narrowly in Democratic control. And, for that very reason, his vote would be immensely important to any legislative or confirmation effort before the chamber.

To his critics, he is seen as a rubber stamp for Joe Biden. And during his 2020 campaign, Ossoff made it clear that he would be a staunch ally of the incoming president. He has welcomed Biden’s presence on the campaign trail, and his ads and stump speeches emphasize that his win would make Biden’s agenda possible.

But Ossoff still stressed that his critics are wrong. With the caution that has defined much of his political rise, he portrays himself as someone who would not march with his party. “Sitting in the United States Senate, the incoming administration needs to understand that I'll take an adversarial approach, where it's appropriate, and I'm not just gonna be a partisan soldier,” he said.

Ossoff argued that he’d be a force pressuring Biden on a variety of matters, saying he’d be “critical and public” if Biden doesn’t embrace reforms on climate change, campaign finance, economic policy, government ethics, and other areas.

When pressed on where he disagreed with Biden, Ossoff didn’t name any specific area of divergence. But he did express concern over the Biden administration’s direction in a few general areas, particularly on financial regulation and fiscal policy. The former vice president, himself seen as friendly to major financial institutions, has not filled his Cabinet and administration with figures poised to take a confrontational stance toward Wall Street, in the eyes of some on the party’s left wing. People on Wall Street have been “delighted” at Biden’s selections, a Goldman Sachs executive told Bloomberg.

“I'm concerned about the influence that the financial services industry may have in the coming years and with the incoming administration,” said Ossoff. “I do not want to continue business as usual, where economic stimulus and efforts to support economic growth are principally about subsidizing the financial services industry.”

Though Ossoff has tried to cast off the shadows of his first run for office, he can’t go far on the campaign trail without escaping the political moment that launched him.

At an “Artists for Ossoff” event in Atlanta’s Little Five Points neighborhood on Sunday, Ossoff’s audience included some of his earliest supporters. One of them, Deb Powell, a beer distributor from suburban Johns Creek, recalled the early days of 2017 when her group of “suburban housewives” held a meet and greet for Ossoff. They expected “maybe” five people; 135 showed up.

“It’s full circle for us,” Powell told The Daily Beast. “He’s doing great. We’re excited to work for him.”

Jordan, the Democratic state senator who Ossoff campaigned for in her own special election in 2017, said that race was instructive—not just for her, but for others, and clearly, for Ossoff, too.

It showed her that he was capable of running for higher office and doing it under an intense spotlight. When D.C. Democrats asked her opinion in 2019 on who could take on Perdue, Jordan had a quick answer.

“Everyone assumed that Ossoff wouldn't be able to pull it off, but I was never that person,” she said. “I said if anyone would pull it off, it’d be Jon.”

Indeed, perhaps no single Democrat in the Trump era has taken as much incoming as Ossoff. In 2017, Republican groups spent over $16 million going after him as a silver-spoon resume-padder with no business being in Congress.

Like Ossoff’s approach, their playbook has changed, too. In 2020, outside GOP groups—which have booked $61 million in attack ads against Ossoff—have gone all-in on a strategy to paint him as a far-left Chinese Communist Party sympathizer.

Despite Republican cracks that Ossoff is a flimsy empty suit, they are clearly not underestimating him, said Brian Robinson, a GOP strategist in Georgia. “They’re not belittling him in paid advertising,” he told The Daily Beast. “The campaigns have shown that they know Georgia is competitive, and that beating any Democrat who's well funded is a serious challenge.” Ossoff raised over $106 million from Oct. 15 to Dec. 16.

Robinson also noted that despite his frequent appearances on TV, the relentlessly on-message Ossoff has given up little fodder for attack ads. “Look at what Republicans have cut and published—it’s not quotes from Ossoff, it’s quotes from AOC, Chuck Schumer,” he said.

A previous attack ad from Perdue was edited to make Ossoff, a Jew, look like he had a bigger nose. Perdue’s campaign said it was an accident. But at their only debate, in October, Ossoff savaged Perdue for playing to anti-Semitic tropes; the GOP senator later skipped a scheduled Dec. 6 debate.

Ossoff linked those ads to the ads Republicans have run against Warnock, which he and others have called “racist.” A former intern to the late Rep. John Lewis, Ossoff cast it as part of a longstanding strategy to “to prevent the emergence of a multiracial coalition that demands equal economic opportunity and access to health care.”

“This is the Old South versus the New South,” said Ossoff of the GOP ads. “I mean it's so predictable and tiresome. And it doesn't at this point appear to me that it's effective."



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