https://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/8-reasons-still-hate-obamacare

Heathcare can't get much worse that this!

Something else go hate???  SIGN YOU RIGHT UP! 

I understand you're incapable of critical, or even original thought, but you could at least stop defending suffering for no other reason than greed.

"Countries with universal healthcare include Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Isle of Man, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom"  

Somehow we just can't figure it out though, hmmm...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care#:~:text=Countries%20with%20universal%20healthcare%20include,Ukraine%2C%20and%20the%20United%20Kingdom.

Let me start with 3 points and you can respond.

1.  It produces excessive waiting periods.  Unlike American where a simple procedure can be performed within a few days.  In Canada expect to wait over 9 weeks to see a specialist, aneurosurgen 46.9 weeks.  Over places are worse, for some patients this is a death sentence.

2. Newsflash , it's not free.  And in most places you not only are highly taxes,but you have to pay for medical supplies and your prescriptions.

3.  It's is straight-up unfair.  You can be turned down for care for many reasons, weather you are active, a smoker, a drinker, your age, or even your status.  

useful idiot 

You are wrong AS USUAL

Old guy, 

Having lived overseas in both France and England and havving spent quite a bit of time in Scotland, Belgium, Canada, Greece, and Italy, here's the reality

Single-Payer system in England and France is very good. There are no "Waiting times" as you mention. In Canada there are waiting times for things like knee replacements, etc.

You have a choice in most if not all countries to also buy "private insurance", which allows you to go to even more facilities.

Your mind doesnt seem to understand that not every country is the same. Also, Single-payer systems, like France, spend half per capita on healthcare per person and have as good if not betterr outcomes.

You're simply full of hate and greed and as long as you're taken care of, you'll skew reality to support your selfish self-centered way of thinking.

Before he had even taken the oath of office I was reading hate from you Extreme Righties, why is that? He hadn't done anything yet, it was because you hated the fact that a man of color was going to be POTUS and not a conservative white guy.

The Heritage Foundation is a group of Extreme Righties, and anything they report has to be considered in that light. Universal health care for all is not socialism, it's for those like myself who believe that health care is a basic human right and should be available to all Americans at no cost. 

It is his socialist policies we don't like.

what is a human right?  A right that inherently belong to people.  We all have the right to life, freedom, and the pursuit of liberty and property.  We do not have the right 

The right to life does't require that you enslave someone else.

The right to freedom doesn't require that you enslave someone else.

The right to liberty and property doesn't require that you enslave someone else.

And that is why the right to heathcare can not listed as a human right.  To make it a human right you must violate and enslave some other people's rights to do it.

You post without making any rational point, name calling is not a point.  In fact it just demonstrates your immature stupidity.

Make a political point with words and ideas, or just stay a imbecile!

useful idiot 

"name calling is not a point.  In fact it just demonstrates your immature stupidity."

I could not say that better myself. Now go back and read the posts where I ask you to cite a source and you respond with insults....

Old guy,

You continue to show to this forum how little you understand about nearly everything involving reality.

The rate of healthcare spending went up the least (in the past 50 years) that Obama was in office.

Sure, a FEW people may not have been able to keep their doctor, but most were

Tens of millions more people were insured ...

Rate of increase of healthare costs were at historic lows

Patient outcomes were guaranteed in so much that if a hospital released you early and you came back with the same issue, you were not to be charged.

So little you know or understand, y'olde man

Bladeslap, you are the one that doesn't understand.  I support Free-market heathcare.  We have not had free-market heathcare for generations.  Way before even Obamacare, heathcare was over regulated by goverment, heathcare insurance was over regulated by government, everything in the medical profession was over regulated by the government.  For years now our heathcare system has deem directed though a TOP-DOWN system rather than by the private sector.  It has been a overcontroling government that has ruined our heathcare reduced competition and driven the cost up.   What did the left do, gave us Obamacare that has just made it worst.

About the only competition left is with insurance, and three-quarters of Americans rate their coverage as excellent.  That should come as no surprise, they are still over-regulated but Private Heath insurance uses free-market incentives to provide greater choice and control over their care.  Given a choice no-one would pick Obamacare over a free-market type heathcare insurance.  

If you really viewed this issue with a opened mind you would realize that the top-down control over heathcare has been the problem for decades and you support more.  You posted how well private Heath insurance was doing in single payer countries that allowed it.  Why would anyone in a single payer heathcare system pay out of pocket for heathcare if the single payer system worked as advertised?  In the UK private Heath insurance is the fastest growing business.  Why, because the government heathcare sucks.

Personally I would welcome a system that can provide heathcare for all, a system with competition that uses free market principles as a guide.  Trump even tried to help buy requiring prices to be made common knowledge, but that got shot down.  A government control system is not answer insofar as history tells us the government is not equipped to do that job!  Once the government takes control it would mean the death for the medical profession as we know it and the end of the best medical care in the world.

PS:  number of uninsured is estimated to be as high as 47 million, Obamacare has made it worse!

useful idiot 

Full disclosure, 'Old Guy'- I grew up with full government healthcare, until I turned 21. 

First, my father was career Army and then I enlisted. The first 8 years of my current marriage was to an Army field surgeon (family practictioner ROTC) so I have a clue. What is true about single payer that you demean is also true about 95% of private health insurnce- you get what they provide and have to fight for a choice.

I had zero issues such as you describe. If I didn't like the practitioner, I could select from a broad list of other 'approved' providers. Pretty much what you want, yes? If I decided on another provider, that was my choice and you're all about individual responsibility, right. I don't didn't and never will whine about my choices and I expect to pay for what I want.

America already has socialized medecine, pucknutz. The uninsured patient bills are paid, indirectly and inefficiently by insurance companies, providers and ultimately by all Americans. The system is random. Any logical organization of the healthcare system would be helpful. What you die of in one state/public system would have been treated at inception in another state/public system.

America has Obamacare now, but only the worst parts of it. Thank you very much Congressional Republicans, for killing the cow but leaving the cow pile for America.

Example- open enrolment, a brief period when you can join a healthcare indurance group at merely outrageous premiums. The rest of the year, you're not part of a group, so you  pay extraordinarily outrageous premiums. One is better off being a John Doe at the emergency department- visit one and you'll see a crown that looks just like the people on the street because they are. The ED can't refuse to treat and then you walk out and ignore the bill... too often to mention.

Insurance companies are the second strongest lobbying body in America, close behind the defence lobby. The current state of affairs is exactly what they want, although they would love to rape and pillage the population with an actual universal healthcare, but congress doesn't want all that extra work or responsibility of oversight.

But again, I'm 72 with all my teeth, 20/25 vision and more or less mentally intact, perhaps because I started with a quarter century of free medical...?

I will give Trump props for the proposal you mention. But, as I said, the insurance lobby is very strong and he knew, ultimately, which side of his toast was buttered.

As you grew up your heathcare was not free, your father paid for it as he served.  I thank him!

If you have experience with goverment heathcare then you are aware of how bad it can be and the changes Trump made.  I have a hard time with you thinking Trump did no good!

Americans heathcare is not socialism yet!  All medical care is paid for some way, uninsured bills are averaged into insured bills.  Just like the theft of a candy bar is averaged into other products.  It does not become socialist until the government controls it, today we still have some free market.

Requiring people to purchase Obamacare was the worst part of it.

Why not Free market heathcare?

Look at LASIK Surgery, no Medicare, no Blue Cross, no employer .

Patients get a package price, know what they are going to pay in advance.  There are no surprise medical bills.  Despite a huge increase in the number of procedures and new technogy .....the real price of LASIK surgery has gone down 25% percentage in a few years.  Why? The free market place.

As you grew up your heathcare was not free, your father paid for it as he served.  I thank him!

You are correct: there is no such thing as a free lunch or free healthcare. But- and it's a BIG BUT! any cooperation and control is better than none, which is the default condition at present. 

If you have experience with goverment heathcare then you are aware of how bad it can be and the changes Trump made.  I have a hard time with you thinking Trump did no good!

And I also had the chance to observe how good that universal healthcare can be. I never denied that Trump did accomplich somethings. The overall evaluation of his presidency is still bad, even if only the second worst.

Americans heathcare is not socialism yet!  All medical care is paid for some way, uninsured bills are averaged into insured bills.  Just like the theft of a candy bar is averaged into other products.  It does not become socialist until the government controls it, today we still have some free market.

You are confused. The government does control healthcare by law.

Requiring people to purchase Obamacare was the worst part of it.

Do you have personal responsibility laws in your state? I can buy my car insurance or purchase coverage in a assumed risk(?) pool to operate a motor vehicle. Yes, that's a privilege. But as soon as an uninsured person is treated by a healthcare provider insted of dying at home, a privilege has been exercised.  You are paying for that 'free' healthcare.

Why not Free market heathcare?

Indeed, why not? But personal responsibility required. At some point, everybody requires healthcare. Or they die in a hermit cabin completely off the grid. Which you aren't, are you?

Look at LASIK Surgery, no Medicare, no Blue Cross, no employer .

Uh, no. Cash up front and a waiver.

Patients get a package price, know what they are going to pay in advance.  There are no surprise medical bills.  Despite a huge increase in the number of procedures and new technogy .....the real price of LASIK surgery has gone down 25% percentage in a few years.  Why? The free market place.

Decide which point you're making. You seem to endorse both sides.

Old guy

As long as you keep your projection goign, you'll never feel satisfied

Your "Free Marketplace" made it virtually impossible for many people to get health insurance with pre-existing conditions.

Forgot that minor detail?

There are many more than you don't recall...

See, for you, the pre-existing condition clause probably did't matter; to many it does.

For you, it's just about your greedy and selfish nature. You don't really care about others, just yourself.