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Anti-Vaxxers the same as Driving While Intoxicated... +4/-0
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Author:Jett
11/17/2021 2:48:54 AM
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Interesting concept...
Leana Wen, a visiting professor of health policy at George Washington University, Washington Post columnist, and medical analyst for CNN, told Chris Cuomo on CNN:
"We need to start looking at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look at driving while intoxicated. You have the option to not get vaccinated if you want, but then you can't go out in public."
"Dr. Fauci said that if hospitals get any more overcrowded, they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed. That choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right on in, we'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, wheezy."
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Msg ID:
2710878 |
You just can't fix stupid +1/-3
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Author:observer II
11/17/2021 10:12:47 AM
Reply to: 2710863
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WHAT IS AN ANTI-VAXXER?
That tops the dumbest analogy in history.
People that aren't vaxxed ARE NOT killing people jettsheep.
It has actually been found that it is in fact the people that were vaccinated are the ones spreading the virus.
Maybe they should have told people that got the shot to quarenteen for a couple of weeks instead od spreading it around to innocent people.
The misinformation about this shot is astonishing.
It prevents nothing. You may get some added protection for a few months but that's it. Natural immunity is far better.
And guess what, natural immunity doesn't give you threatening conditions that you will have the rest of your life.
You know what is truly amazing about this whole man-made pandemic is the fact that if Trump was in office, there would be no mandate because if he tried it, you libs would have blown a gasket and tried to once again impeach him for an unconstitutional act.
Trump could have told you to get the shot and you would have refused 100%. Which if memory serves me correct.....YOU DID!! LOL
And BTW, Fauci is a complete self serving moron. And should be put in prison |
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Msg ID:
2710924 |
"You just can't fix stupid" Even stupid vaccinated people suffer less when +2/-0
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Author:TheCrow
11/17/2021 3:23:15 PM
Reply to: 2710878
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Even stupid vaccinated people suffer less when infected. I am vaccinated and I still mask up, distance and diligently wash my hands.
Survey Underscores Importance of Masks and Testing Along With Vaccines
Anew study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected people with or without symptoms.
The findings underscore the continuing need for masking and regular testing alongside vaccination, especially in areas of high prevalence, the authors wrote. The study is currently available online as a preprint from MedRxiv.
“Our study adds to existing data about levels of virus in vaccine breakthroughs in two settings of high ongoing community prevalence of the delta variant,” said Professor Richard Michelmore, director of the UC Davis Genome Center.
The study was conducted with positive samples from asymptomatic testing at UC Davis for Healthy Yolo Together and at the Unidos en Salud walk-up testing site in the Mission District of San Francisco.
The researchers looked at 869 positive samples, 500 from Healthy Yolo Together and 369 from Unidos en Salud. All the Healthy Yolo Together samples were from people who were asymptomatic at the time of positive test result, and three-quarters were from unvaccinated individuals. The Unidos en Salud samples included both asymptomatic and symptomatic cases. Just over half (198) of the Unidos en Salud samples were unvaccinated.
Wide variations in viral load
When they analyzed the data, the researchers found wide variations in viral load within both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, but not between them. There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.
Vaccines have been shown to be highly effective in preventing severe disease, hospitalization and death from COVID-19. For example, as of mid-September, 41 out of 49 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 at UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento were unvaccinated.
Breakthrough infections where vaccinated people do become sick can occur, especially in areas where virus prevalence is high.
Although vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection are much less likely to become severely ill than unvaccinated, the new study shows that they can be carrying similar amounts of virus and could potentially spread the virus to other people. This study did not directly address how easily vaccinated people can get infected with SARS-CoV-2, or how readily someone with a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus.
“Our study does not provide information on infectiousness,” Michelmore said. “Transmission will be influenced by several factors, not just vaccination status and viral load.”
Those factors could include, for example, when they were vaccinated and with what vaccine, the underlying status of their immune system, and the intensity of exposure.
It’s very important to get vaccinated, Michelmore said, because vaccines greatly reduce the risk of severe disease, but you should not assume that because you are vaccinated you cannot get infected or transmit the disease to others. Mask-wearing and regular testing remain important, especially in areas of high prevalence.
Since fall 2020, the UC Davis Genome Center has been offering asymptomatic COVID-19 testing for students and employees, for residents of the city of Davis, and now for other residents of Yolo County through Healthy Davis Together and Healthy Yolo Together. As of Sept. 30, 2021, the center had run over 900,000 tests.
Unidos en Salud is a partnership between UCSF, the CZ Biohub, UC Berkeley, the Latino Task Force (a community organization) and the San Francisco Department of Public Health.
Additional authors on the preprint are: at UC Davis, Charlotte Acharya, David Coil, Leslie Solis and Elizabeth Georgian; John Schrom, Carina Marquez, Susana Rojas, Genay Pilarowski and Diane Havlir, Unidos en Salud; Anthea Mitchell, Chung Yu Wang and Joe DeRisi, CZ Biohub; and Jamin Liu, Joint UCB/UCSF Bioengineering Program. The data used in the study was generated by large teams totaling over 57 people, listed in a supplementary table.
The work was supported by the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub, Healthy Yolo Together, UCSF, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and UC Davis.
Media Resources
Read the preprint here
Media Contacts:
- Richard Michelmore, Genome Center, rwmichelmore@ucdavis.edu
- David Coil, Genome Center, dcoil@ucdavis.edu
- Andy Fell, News and Media Relations, 530-304-8888, ahfell@ucdavis.edu
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Msg ID:
2711039 |
Your studies are opinionated propaganda crow +1/-2
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Author:observer II
11/18/2021 8:06:32 AM
Reply to: 2710924
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I had it and didn't even know it. So how much LESS would my symptoms be if I was vaxxed???
Can you explain that phenomenom??
The shot prevents nothing.
Remember when you morons told the American people that vaxxed people wouldn't catch the virus.
Remember when you morons told the American people that vaxxed people couldn't spread the virus.
Remember when you morons told the American people that vaxxed people wouldn't hospitalized.
Remember when you morons told the American people that vaxxed people wouldn't die.
Remember when you morons told the American people that the shot was FDA approved.
ALL LIES
You may have some protection for 4-6 months. But that's it. Hence the booster
Natural immunity is a far greater deterent long term.
And guess what lib? You don't have to pump an experimental drug into your body twice a year.
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Msg ID:
2710926 |
CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, bu +3/-0
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Author:TheCrow
11/17/2021 3:41:22 PM
Reply to: 2710878
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If you're smart, you avail yourself of every advantage, even if it is temporary.
Naturally acquired immunity is at the center of a political fight over President Biden’s vaccine mandates.
By Lena H. Sun
November 1, 2021 at 5:04 p.m. EDT
It’s a question that scientists have been trying to answer since the start of the pandemic, one that is central to the rancorous political debates over coronavirus vaccine policies: How much immunity does someone have after recovering from a coronavirus infection, and how does it compare with immunity provided by vaccination?
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has weighed in for the first time in a detailed science report released with little fanfare Friday evening. Reviewing scores of research studies and its own unpublished data, the agency found that both infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity are durable for at least six months — but that vaccines are more consistent in their protection and offer a huge boost in antibodies for people previously infected.
In comparing the two types of immunity, scientists said research shows vaccination provides a “higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from COVID-19 than infection alone.”
Coronavirus infections can cause severe disease or no symptoms at all, and the CDC found that antibody levels vary widely from one individual to another after an infection. The report also notes that there is no test authorized by the Food and Drug Administration that would enable doctors and the public to reliably measure an individual’s protection from disease. And although higher levels of neutralizing antibodies generally signal higher protection, scientists don’t know precisely what level of antibodies will protect an individual.
Johns Hopkins University epidemiologist Gypsyamber D'Souza explains how the U.S. can reach coronavirus herd immunity and what happens if that goal is missed. (Brian Monroe, John Farrell/The Washington Post)
The CDC’s bottom line: Given what’s known and not known about immunity, people who have been infected with the virus should still get vaccinated. More than 45 million people in the United States have had confirmed coronavirus infections, and tens of millions more — the exact number is unknown — have had undocumented cases.
The science brief echoes another study, released by the CDC earlier Friday, that the agency said showed a higher level of protection from vaccines than from previous infection alone. That study said vaccinated patients hospitalized with covid-like symptoms were less likely to test positive for the virus than those who had recovered months earlier from a coronavirus infection. In other words, the patients vaccinated against the coronavirus were more likely to have some illness other than covid.
Immunity from a prior infection has been a vexing issue for the Biden administration as it continues to push vaccinations as the key to ending the pandemic. Some Republican members of Congress have seized on what they term “natural immunity” to push back against the vaccine mandates favored by the White House.
Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rep. Diana Harshbarger (R-Tenn.) have put forward legislation to take such immunity into account. Harshbarger’s Natural Immunity is Real Act would require federal agencies to “acknowledge, accept, agree to truthfully present, and incorporate, the consideration of natural immunity as it pertains to COVID-19 with respect to the individuals subject to the applicable regulations.”
Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) has put forward legislation to take into account naturally acquired immunity when vaccine mandates are weighed. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
The two lawmakers and co-sponsors of the legislation have argued that the Biden administration must “follow the science” showing that people who have recovered from covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, have durable immunity.
“Now more than ever, we need to pursue every scientific measure — such as natural immunity — that can help mitigate the pandemic without threatening people’s jobs, our economy, or denying Americans access to everyday life activities based on COVID-19 vaccination status,” Harshbarger said in a news release last month announcing the bill.
But the act does not offer any suggestion for how agencies would confirm immunity from prior infections or incorporate such immunity into a vaccine policy.
“The politics are as complicated as the science,” Andrew T. Pavia, a professor of pediatrics and infectious diseases at the University of Utah, said in an email Monday. He said of the new CDC science review, “I think there is a tension between conveying the scientific gray areas and the need to combat the ‘natural infection is better’ misinformation that has taken hold. I think the review threads that needle well.”
In the brief, CDC scientists evaluated more than 90 peer-reviewed studies and preprint publications to understand the level of protection against covid-19 in people who have immunity from prior infection and those with immunity from vaccines. For people who have been infected, multiple studies have shown that vaccination provides a boost in the immune response and further reduces the risk of a repeat infection.
“Although there appears to be varying evidence regarding the relative protection that occurs after surviving COVID-19 as compared with completing vaccination, there is substantial immunologic and increasing epidemiologic evidence that vaccination following infection further increases protection against subsequent illness among those who have been previously infected,” the CDC science brief said.
To complicate the issue further, some strong supporters of vaccinations have said vaccine policies could contemplate a kind of hybrid immunity, generated by a combination of infection and perhaps just one vaccine dose. In some countries, a person who has recovered from covid-19 is considered fully vaccinated after just one dose of a vaccine.
“I think with more data, we might consider one infection equivalent to one immunizing event that could count as one of the two or three doses that people need of their vaccine,” Pavia said in a phone interview.
David Rubin, a pediatrician and director of PolicyLab at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said he counsels his patients and family members who have had covid infections that they could get by with just one shot of vaccine instead of two to bolster their immunity.
“Consider that a dose of the vaccine,” Rubin said, referring to a coronavirus infection. “If you’ve had it, get at least one dose of the vaccine.”
As of September, France, Germany, Italy and Spain are among more than a dozen countries that recommend that people without underlying health conditions who have already been infected receive one dose of a vaccine if it comes in a two-shot regimen.
But for most countries and the United States, the definition of fully vaccinated does not incorporate previous infection. The White House strategy for ending the pandemic relies heavily on vaccinating as many people as possible, including those who have already had covid-19 or tested positive for the virus.
William Schaffner, an infectious-disease doctor at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine who is a liaison member to the CDC’s panel of independent vaccine advisers, said policies have to be simple enough for officials to implement and for people to understand. He invokes the “KISS” rule: “Keep it simple, stupid.”
And the simple fact is that vaccines improve antibody levels whether a person has been infected or not, Schaffner said.
But some experts argue there needs to be clearer guidance from the CDC on vaccine policy when it comes to people with prior infection because of real-world decisions facing employers.
At the two hospital systems where Pavia works, health-care workers are required to be vaccinated. But officials are grappling with the appropriate requirement for someone who was infected recently, such as in the last three months. Those individuals will have some degree of protection that lasts at last 90 days, Pavia said. But they will need to get vaccinated eventually, he said.
“Do we defer the point at which they have to show proof of vaccination? That’s the ongoing discussion that we’re having,” he said.
“We would like clear guidance from CDC on how to handle previous infection in planning the timing of infection for people who have to be vaccinated,” Pavia said.
Lena H. Sun is a national reporter for The Washington Post covering health with a special focus on public health and infectious disease. A longtime reporter at The Post, she has covered the Metro transit system, immigration, education and was a Beijing bureau chief. Twitter
Joel Achenbach covers science and politics for the National desk. He has been a staff writer for The Post since 1990. Twitter
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