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2710880 |
Trump is missed by this country +3/-3
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Author:observer II
11/17/2021 10:21:14 AM
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We went from first to laast in record time.
Consumer confidence was the greatest in decades under Trump.
Now it's the worst we've seen in decades.
Biden's approval rating is bismal at best and getting worse by the day.
Never in the history of this country has more than half of the states suing a POTUS for incompetence anad unconstitutional behavior.
The illegal crossings are the highest ever. And that doesn't count the ones that get away.
And then we have a president that provides a home, free healthcare, free education, free transportation, and a check that makes them wealthy for breaking the law.
And the flip side of that coin is we have millions of people, including vets that are homeless and dying. And our government does NOTHING for them. And in fact, they are denying healthcare for the unvaccinated while their millions of illegals voter base gets a free unvaccinated ride.
This post should make you puke in your lap libs. |
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Msg ID:
2710893 |
Like a survivor misses cancer... (NT) +3/-0
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Author:Jett
11/17/2021 12:21:04 PM
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Msg ID:
2710925 |
Biden's approval rating is bismal at best and getting worse by the day. +3/-0
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Author:TheCrow
11/17/2021 3:34:55 PM
Reply to: 2710880
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Put down the Kool-Aid and face the facts. Yes, Biden's favorability is slumping, but the rating is higher than Trump's for the first year. To date, Biden's average Gallup approval rating is higher than The Donald ever achieved at any point in his presidency.
Biden's approval rating will continue to fall. I am not and never was a Biden fan and neither are most Americans. I voted against Trump, as did most Americans. |
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Msg ID:
2711061 |
Trump is missed by his followers +2/-1
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Author:bladeslap
11/18/2021 10:05:33 AM
Reply to: 2710880
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Trump was by far the most damaging thing that ever happened to this country.
You know it and I know it.
End of story
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Msg ID:
2711068 |
Comparing Trump to the greatest—and the most polarizing—presidents in US hi +1/-0
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Author:TheCrow
11/18/2021 10:18:36 AM
Reply to: 2711061
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Stark partisan polarization is arguably the defining characteristic of our current political moment. While other periods in American history have also featured incivility and deep divides (anyone remember Bleeding Sumner?), today the divide between parties not only encumbers coalition-building and policy-making, but also even how regular people work and shop.
Some political figures are more polarizing than others, of course, so in the recent 2018 Presidents and Executive Politics Presidential Greatness survey, we wanted to gauge not just who dozens of experts felt were the greatest (and least great) presidents, but also which presidents they felt were the most polarizing.
In addition to coming in last in the overall greatness rating, President Trump was ranked by our surveyed experts as the most polarizing of all presidents, as we show in Figure 1. The Trump White House pursued fractious policies in seeking to implement a travel ban, dismantling Obamacare, withdrawing from a global climate pact, and agreeing to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. After Trump, the presidents perceived as the most polarizing include Abraham Lincoln, who ranks at the very top of the overall greatness scale, and James Buchanan, who joins Trump at the very bottom.
Interestingly, Presidents Grant and Carter are considered two of the least polarizing presidents despite governing during economic crises—the Panic of 1877 and the oil crisis and stagflation in the 1970s. President Hoover, by contrast, fell towards the more polarizing end of the scale. President Truman, the only president to engage in nuclear war, was perceived as one of the least polarizing presidents. Presidents Nixon and George W. Bush fall in the middle of the scale even though both pursued controversial foreign entanglements.
Of course, asking about polarization directly is only one way to get at this question. Like in politics more broadly, experts disagree about presidential greatness, and the data we collected in our survey allow us to identify whether the ratings given by these experts were themselves polarized. Figure 2 displays the average rating of each president as separated by the party affiliation of the expert. Although there were not many Republicans in the sample, some clear differences emerge. President Obama had the highest partisan spread in expert rating, followed closely by Presidents Johnson and Kennedy. The expansion of government through Obamacare and the Great Society is the likely partisan staking point and an approach to government on which Republicans and Democrats fervently disagree. Although Trump is rated as the most polarizing president, experts who identify as Democrats and Republicans nevertheless agree more about how Trump should be rated in terms of presidential greatness than they do about Obama, Johnson, or Kennedy.
The story here is not all about partisanship, however. Experts in both parties agree on some presidents: primarily Presidents Harrison, Buchanan, and Washington, whose rankings were uniformly low (Harrison, Buchanan) or high (Washington). In addition, although Presidents Lincoln and Jackson are rated relatively high on polarized presidencies, there is generally agreement in their overall ratings among presidential experts of both parties.
Disagreement between experts of the same party can also be compared to disagreement between experts of the other party. Figure 3 shows the median absolute deviation in ratings—the average distance that our experts’ Presidential ratings are from the median rating. The first line (Trump) simply indicates that there is much less disagreement among Democrat experts about the rating of Donald Trump than there is among Republican experts: whereas Democrat experts’ ratings of Trump are all very similar (and low), Republicans’ ratings of Trump differ substantially, with some rating him quite high and others very low. In other words, the polarized presidency of Donald Trump has created disagreements both between the two major parties and within the Republican Party.
For other presidents, Republicans disagree most about the rating of Wilson, followed by Obama and Truman. The ratings for President Obama show a similarly large distance between the average disagreement between the parties—yet, both Democrats and Republicans are less consistent in their collective ranking than for Trump. Put differently, both parties disagree more in their rankings of Obama than for Trump, which is unusual because Trump has been in office for just over one year. For Democrats, the most disagreement is on ratings for Nixon and George W. Bush. For the most recent presidents, Republicans disagree most about the ratings of Obama and Trump, and Democrats disagree most about George W. Bush.
As mentioned above, our survey sample featured many more Democrats than Republicans. In order to see what the results might look like if both party groups had equal representation, we weighted the sample so that it was 50 percent Republican and 50 percent Democrat. The results of doing so are depicted in Figure 4. We see that weighting the results to be equally partisan yields a significant increase in the ratings of George W. Bush and Donald Trump, with lesser but noteworthy increases for Warren Harding, Herbert Hoover, and Richard Nixon, among others. Meanwhile, Bill Clinton, Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Barack Obama all see their ratings decrease, as does Dwight Eisenhower, who was a Republican.
In an era marked by political polarization, it will appear unsurprising to many that partisanship affects how experts rate the greatness of presidents, especially recent ones. Yet, as we have shown, experts who identify with the same party can nevertheless disagree about the performance of our country’s recent presidents. Indeed, if partisanship among experts were a unifying force, those who share the same party affiliation might be expected to rate a president from their preferred party highly, with agreement across those who hold the same partisan identity. This does not, however, appear to be the case. As Republican experts’ ratings of Trump and Obama and Democrat experts’ ratings of George W. Bush make clear, opinions about these presidents can vary greatly among experts, even if they share a partisan identity. Thus, although one can tell a simple story to highlight the differences between how Republicans and Democrats understand recent presidential history, it is important also to tell the story of a more encouraging divide: that those who share the same party affiliation can nevertheless healthfully disagree about the presidents who represent their own party and the presidents from the party who does not.
About the survey: 320 members of the American Political Science Association’s Presidents & Executive Politics section, the premier organization of experts of the American presidency, were invited to complete the online survey, which was administered by Brandon Rottinghaus of the University of Houston and Justin S. Vaughn of Boise State University. 170 surveys were completed online between December 22, 2017 and January 16. 2018. For more information, please contact the authors.
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Msg ID:
2711091 |
You WON, dumbest post so far! +1/-2
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Author:Old Guy
11/18/2021 12:35:51 PM
Reply to: 2711061
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"Trump was by far the most damaging thing that ever happened to this country"
ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!
Have you forgotten about Biden's Afighanistan debacle. Terrible- Weak-Appeasememt-Anti-American.
He will leave our own people and allies behind. He has created a permanent training ground for worldwide terrorism. By this flawed decision he has sent the message to China, Russia, Iran, and all the other dictatorships that the US will no longer stand in the way of their aggression. Now that they are well equipped with our military hardwar, not just the US but the world is at risk!
And you think Trump did damage, how stupid! |
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Msg ID:
2711108 |
How many Americans died in the Afghanistan withdrawal? +2/-0
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Author:TheCrow
11/18/2021 4:10:03 PM
Reply to: 2711091
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How many Americans died in Afghanistan during Trump's administration after his campaign promise to withdraw all Americans? Instead, he tripled the number of americans there...?
2021 13 Americans died in Afghanistan withdrawal
But:
2020 11 Americans died in Afghanistan
2019 21 Americans died in Afghanistan
2018 14 Americans died in Afghanistan
2017 14 Americans died in Afghanistan
Total 60 Americans dead in Afghanistan after Trump tripled the numner there.
Average 15 a year under the Trump administration? In 2021 fewer Americans died in Afghanistan than average: and now they're OUT! As they should have been decades ago after we killed Osama bin Laden.
It ain't our country and they ain't our problem, never were. 590 Americans dead in Afghanistan after Osama's death.
More Trump lies:
FOR YEARS AS a reality TV star, Donald Trump demanded that the United States leave Afghanistan. Among other things, he said that the U.S. had “wasted an enormous amount of blood and treasure” and “wasted lives” there, that the war was “nonsense,” and that instead we should “rebuild the USA.”
On Monday night, as president, Trump is expected to announce that he’s sending several thousand more American troops to fight in the 16-year war.
There are currently about 8,400 U.S. soldiers stationed there, as well as approximately 6,000 from other members of NATO. The number of American troops in Afghanistan peaked at 100,000 in 2011. A total of 3,539 coalition soldiers have died during the war.
Afghanistan was barely mentioned during the 2016 presidential campaign. The GOP platform did not say much on the subject. “A Republican president will work with all regional leaders to restore mutual trust,” it read. Trump said nothing about it during his convention and inaugural speeches, and essentially nothing in his campaign book, “Crippled America.”
During an October 2015 interview with CNN, Trump was asked whether he believed “that American boots should stay on the ground in Afghanistan.” He replied, “We made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place.” He added: “Are they going to be there for the next 200 years? At some point, what’s going on?”
However, he did qualify his statement. “I would leave the troops there, begrudgingly,” he said. “You probably have to because that thing will collapse about two seconds after they leave.” (A few weeks later Trump denied he’d said that the Afghanistan war was a mistake.)
Below, in reverse chronological order, are Trump’s statements on Twitter and television calling for the U.S. to withdraw.
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March 2012:
Perhaps the clearest example of Trump’s former certainty about the need for withdrawal came in a March 2012 update to the video blog he used to promote “The Celebrity Apprentice” and burnish his own credentials as a political thinker.
“Afghanistan is a total and complete disaster,” Trump said in the first seconds of that vlog post (which was deleted from the Trump Organization’s YouTube channel after the 2016 election, but preserved by The Intercept).
“Let’s get with it, get out of Afghanistan,” Trump argued then. “We’ve wasted billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, thousands and thousands of lives — not to mention all of these young men and women that come home and they really have problems.”
February 2012:
In this last tweet, Trump linked to a Fox and Friends interview in which he said, “What are we doing there? These people hate us. As soon as we leave, it’s all going to blow up anyway. And you say, ‘What are we doing there?’ We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars on this nonsense. … What are we doing? We’re a debtor nation. We can’t build our own schools, yet we build schools in Afghanistan.”
December 2011:
On CNN, Trump declared that the U.S. should “get out” of Afghanistan, adding, “We have to rebuild our country. We’re rebuilding. You know, you go to Afghanistan. There is a school. It gets blown up. We rebuild it. We build a road to the school. They both get blown up. We rebuild. In the meantime, if you want to build a school in Brooklyn or Iowa or California, you can’t build them.”
October 2011:
Top photo: President Donald Trump waves after getting off Air Force One at Hagerstown Regional Airport in Hagerstown, Md., Aug. 18, 2017, en route to nearby Camp David, for a meeting with his national security team to discuss strategy for South Asia, including India, Pakistan and the way forward in Afghanistan.
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Msg ID:
2711151 |
Your words are meaningless without facts ballslap +0/-2
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Author:observer II
11/19/2021 8:39:29 AM
Reply to: 2711061
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You liberals spout out BS everyday without any regards to facts
Just look at what we are living in RIGHT NOW.
None of this would be happening if Trump was in office. (even though we all know he won)
I have never seen a more mindless group of sheep in my life.
Try thinkiing for yourself instead of mimicing Joy Bahar |
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