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Msg ID: 2711198 Old guy ... Wrong ONCE AGAIN +3/-1     
Author:bladeslap
11/19/2021 4:13:00 PM

So,

Old guy, in November, clearly stated that the reason the markets were taking off when Biden was elected was because "Business likes divided government"...

Well, Dems won all three houses and ...

How many new records?

Biden's market has performed far better than Trump's ...

Old Guy, care to take some time to conjure another argument?



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Msg ID: 2711207 Really! +3/-2     
Author:Old Guy
11/19/2021 4:44:36 PM

Reply to: 2711198

If you apply any common sense you would realize that business like a divided government.  A divided government does not get much done, consequently rules don't change business can move forward as planned.

What new records are you taking about, inflation has set a record is that what you are so proud about?

The economic growth has been disappointing, it has not set any records.

Economic growth slowed to just 2%, that can't be the record you are talking about.

How about the misguided policies that have caused these supply chain problems, is that the record?

 How about we are now dependent for our energy resources from other countries, is that the new record?

How about more illegals have entered the county than citizens all ready living in 11 states, is that the record?

Thousands of US residents still trapped in Afghanistan, is that the record you are so proud of?

I just can't think of anything Biden has done that you should be proud off,

disappointed and embarrassed YES!

But proud of NO!

 



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Msg ID: 2711295 Really! +2/-1     
Author:bladeslap
11/20/2021 12:27:34 PM

Reply to: 2711207

Wow, pivot ... I just saw a MASSIVE Pivot

The discussion was around Stock Market Performance. Focus...Focus

 



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Msg ID: 2711313 Really! +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
11/20/2021 2:49:21 PM

Reply to: 2711295

Are you so embarrassed by the truth and Biden's real record, that you must try and make fun of people that post?



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Msg ID: 2711331 Focus Old Guy ... +2/-1     
Author:bladeslap
11/20/2021 5:27:00 PM

Reply to: 2711313

I know your arguments have all fallen apart Old guy. All of them ...

Anything else you want to invent?

Want to blame global warming on Biden?

You're an embarassament



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Msg ID: 2711347 Really! +4/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
11/20/2021 9:26:17 PM

Reply to: 2711207

Well said Old Guy.

you can't accept the truth, can you Buddha?

what Old Guy said above is undeniable FACT

Remember, you voted for it!

UsefulIdiot!   



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Msg ID: 2711486 Depends on what kind of business you're talking about. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/22/2021 10:49:57 AM

Reply to: 2711207

If a business has significant assets, physical or intellectual, to protect they will prefer a uniform, broadly applicable rule of law, hence an undivided government. And international agreements, which also prefer undivided governments.

A rape and pillage type of business, most interested in maximizing profit as quickly as possible, fleecing the citizens in a jurisdiction and moving on to fresh grounds when the trick starts becoming widely known. Those operators will remodel the scam and return for second, third harvest.

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

― Abraham Lincoln

 



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Msg ID: 2711504 Really! +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/22/2021 12:06:37 PM

Reply to: 2711207

Kinda looks like the economic expansion immediately before the pandemic, don't you think?

 

Economic growth rate slows to 2% on a sharp slowdown in consumer spending

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  • The U.S. economy grew at a 2% annualized pace in the third quarter, its slowest increase since the end of the 2020 recession.
  • Decelerations in consumer spending and residential investment helped keep the number lower.
  • Weekly jobless claims fell more than expected last week to a fresh pandemic-era low of 281,000, below the 289,000 estimate.
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U.S. economic growth slows to 2% last quarter, below 2.8% estimate
 

The U.S. economy grew at a 2% rate in the third quarter, its slowest gain of the pandemic-era recovery, as supply chain issues and a marked deceleration in consumer spending stunted the expansion, the Commerce Department reported Thursday.

Gross domestic product, a sum of all the goods and services produced, grew at a 2.0% annualized pace in the third quarter, according to the department’s first estimate released Thursday. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for a 2.8% reading.

That marked the slowest GDP gain since the 31.2% plunge in the second quarter of 2020, which encompassed the period during which Covid-19 morphed into a global pandemic that resulted in a severe economic shutdown that sent tens of millions to the unemployment lines and put a chokehold on activity across the country.

Declines in residential fixed investment and federal government spending helped hold back gains, as did a surge in the U.S. trade deficit, which widened to a near-record $73.3 billion in August.

The drops mostly offset increases in private inventory investment, a meager gain in personal consumption, state and local government spending, and nonresidential fixed investment.

Consumer spending, which makes up 69% of the $23.2 trillion U.S. economy, increased at just a 1.6% pace for the most recent period, after rising 12% in the second quarter.

Spending for goods tumbled 9.2%, spurred by a 26.2% plunge in expenditures on longer-lasting goods like appliances and autos, while services spending increased 7.9%, a reduction from the 11.5% pace in Q2.

The downshift came amid a 0.7% decline in disposable personal income, which fell 25.7% in Q2 amid the end of government stimulus payments. The personal saving rate declined to 8.9% from 10.5%.

Federal government spending fell by 4.7%, which the Commerce Department said was due to a halt in services and processing for the Paycheck Protection Program, a pandemic-era initiative aimed at providing bridge funding to businesses impacted by the shutdown.

“Overall, this is a big disappointment given that the consensus expectation at the start of the quarter in July was for a 7.0% gain and even our own bearish 3.5% forecast proved to be too optimistic,” wrote Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economics. “We expect something of a rebound in the final quarter of this year — if only because motor vehicles won’t be such a drag and any negative impact from Delta should be reversed.”

In a separate economic report, jobless claims totaled 281,000 for the week ended Oct. 23, another pandemic-era low and better than the 289,000 estimate. The total marked a decrease from the previous week’s 291,000. Continuing claims fell by 237,000 to 2.24 million, and those receiving benefits under all programs dropped by 448,386 to 2.83 million.

Stock market futures remained higher after the report while government bond yields also climbed.

The July-to-September period saw a major clogging of the nation’s supply chain, which in turn dampened a recovery that began in April 2020 following the shortest but steepest recession in U.S. history.

Shortages in labor and soaring demand for goods over services contributed to the bottleneck, which is not expected to ease until after the holiday season.

Despite the Q3 weakness, economists largely expect the U.S. to bounce back in the fourth quarter and continue growth into 2022.

Another significant factor for the Q3 number was the summertime rise of the Covid delta variant, a situation that has reversed itself in much of the country. Consumer activity, particularly in the vital services part of the economy, appears to have picked up and could fuel a late-year growth burst.

“As Delta cases continue to subside, there may be more growth in the fourth-quarter as consumers will be more willing to spend on services involving in-person interactions,” said Dawit Kebede, senior economist at the Credit Union National Association. “The supply chain challenges, however, will likely continue until next year making it difficult to satisfy increased consumer demand.”

Companies during the current earnings season have noted the issues with supply chains, but many say customers are willing to pay higher prices. That in turn has helped fuel inflation, which is running close to its 30-year high and also is expected by most economists and Federal Reserve policymakers to cool next year.

Thursday’s data indicated that at least the pace of the inflation rise had taken a step back.

Core personal consumption expenditures, which exclude food and energy and are the preferred gauge by which the Fed measures inflation, rose 4.5%, a deceleration from the second quarter’s 6.1% increase but still well above the pre-Covid pace. The headline PCE price index increased 5.3% in Q3, down from 6.5% in the previous period.



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