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Msg ID: 2712013 Trump not running in 2024, but he wants to make you think he is +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
11/28/2021 9:49:57 PM

Trump is still doing the money grab to get as much $$$ as he can by making it look like he's going to run.

In fact, he also can commandeer power over the other republicans by making it look like he may be running.

Mark my words ... He's not running in 2024. 



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Msg ID: 2712038 Trump not running in 2024, but he wants to make you think he is +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/29/2021 12:27:22 PM

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Trump is not running in 2024. A defeat would end his political power. His low 40s favorability polls mean that it would be unlikely that he could beat any Democratic candidate in 2024. His candidacy got Biden elected. Many Biden voters weren't voting for Joe, they were voting against Trump.

But he is still politically powerful in the body f/k/a "The Republican Party". Trump has made no secret that he wants to influence if not control the upcoming Republican Primaries. His endorsement will be powerful but actual campaign funds he can dispense will be even more powerful. He can not convert campaign contributions to his own personal benefit (well, he did misappropriate Trump Foundation funds...) but he can contribute those campaign contributions to candidates he favors- even more control of the process, the party at no expense to himself. He won't lose the elections, his candidates could. And those that win will be beholden to him.

So, he presents plausible deniability and collects contributions for his presidential campaign... that will never happen. The potential primary candidates see this, and many will strike deals with Trump.

But Trump's ascent is over, his energy spent except for the potential energy of his fall. A sooft landing is still possible, Trump has dodged many bullets over his career. But his legal issues are multiplying....

Yeah, The Donald's election was a reaction to the then current political process. Message recieved. However, it was garbled in transmission- the Republican Party reduced it's conservatism and became Reactionary Trumpist. The Democrats almost, almost succumbed to increased socialism. In averting that, the best candidate they had was a long-time centrist and deal maker- Joe Biden. The Democratic Left is still trying to get the bit between their teeth to run away- that's gonna cost the Democrats in 2022.



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Msg ID: 2712039 Trump allies are pushing him away from running again in 2024 to avoid a dis +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/29/2021 12:30:01 PM

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Former President Donald Trump. Win McNamee/Getty Images
  • Trump aides are pushing him not to run again in 2024, The Atlantic reported.
  • He has repeatedly indicated that he is considering another run for office, spooking some allies.
  • They're focusing on the risk of his legacy being defined by defeat to dissuade him, the report said.

 

Trump has repeatedly indicated that he could seek the Republican candidacy in the next presidential election and has raised tens of millions of dollars from supporters to fund his political future.

The Atlantic reported that one of Trump's former campaign advisors, who spoke anonymously, said they planned to warn Trump that he could be known as a serial political loser if he fails again.

The person is planning to use the example of Adlai Stevenson — who lost two straight presidential elections in the 1950s — to dissuade him.

Newt Gingrich, the former House Speaker and a Trump ally, told The Atlantic: "I don't think he wants to risk losing twice. Once, you can argue about the outcome. Twice, it becomes a repudiation."

Trump's hatred of losing has been well documented across his career, and others who know Trump well have echoed Gingrich's prediction.

Trump has refused to accept that he lost last year's election. Instead, he's continued to push baseless claims of widespread election fraud.

John Bolton, his former national security advisor, said of his former boss earlier this month: "I think he knows deep inside, although he will never admit it, he did lose in 2020 and very much fears losing in 2024 because if he hates anything in the world, he hates being called a loser."

Mary Trump, the former president's estranged niece, told Insider earlier this year that she believed her uncle's political activity was a ruse to keep raising money from his supporters.

"It's important to remember that Donald couldn't care less about politics. He couldn't care less about this country. He couldn't care less about the Republicans," she said in March.

"It's all about maintaining the grip on power," she continued. "He thinks on some level it's going to allow him to continue to operate with impunity as he has done his whole life, and also it's going to allow him to keep grifting money off of people."

"I've said all along he has no intention to run for the presidency in 2024. He's going to pretend to," she said.



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Msg ID: 2712044 Recall that Trump was elected with 46.1% of the popular ballot in 2016, app +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/29/2021 12:53:55 PM

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Recall that Trump was elected with 46.1% of the popular ballot in 2016, approximately his poll in theYouGovAmerica graph of favorability. 

Recall that Trump was one of the very few incumbent presidents defeated in his reelection attempt, receiving a slightly increased share, 46.9% of the popular vote. That also approximates the YouGovAMerica's 45.6% favorability.

Recall that Trump was impeached twice but not removed from office because he had absolute control of his party- 

“Hitler (Trump) is Germany (America) and Germany (America) is Hitler (Trump). Whatever he does is necessary. Whatever he does is successful. Clearly the Führer (Trump) has divine blessing.

”The Fuehrer Principle"

Trump has a devoted base, but they are not a majority and they are not a significant influence in a divided, polarized electorate. Trump's greatest weakness is his divisive politics: he presents his opponents as inherent, persistent antiAmericans; and his own agenda as the only virtuous option. The Great Crusade- it will end the same way. He does not change any opinions, persuade opponents to ally in his cause.

Americans are political independents. That's America's greatest strength and it's most vulnerable point- any organized political force acting in unison can do great damage- the Civil War, Trump's attacks on the American election system and the January 6 attack on that process. Trump's insurrectionary instincts will be a disaster, and there will be no 'reconstruction'.




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Msg ID: 2712099 You sound worried ballslap??? (NT) +0/-2     
Author:observer II
11/30/2021 8:16:01 AM

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Msg ID: 2712159 "You sound worried ballslap???" I don't know about 'bladeslap' but I'm  +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/30/2021 2:26:17 PM

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I don't know about 'bladeslap' but I'm worried that another Trump presidential campaign will get Biden or another Democrat elected. Trump's candidacy was the only reason Biden, the perpetual third Democratic 'third choice/runner-up' was elected.

The Democrats are historically a fragmented, factioned party varying from 'yellow-dogs' to liberals to socialists, only united by an aversion to the Mar a Lago Madman- thank god for Joe, a center left candidate 'also ran' for decades.

But, yes- I am worried that Trump has destroyed conservative Republicanism. The Donald is not conservative nor Republican nor an American patriot. A vindictive narcissist and paranoid sociopath. Besides which, he is a serial liar, cheat and a thief.



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Msg ID: 2712169 "LMAO, that was freakin funny crow" (NT) +0/-2     
Author:observer II
11/30/2021 2:55:42 PM

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Msg ID: 2712174 "LMAO, that was freakin funny crow" You're welcome (NT) +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
11/30/2021 3:17:49 PM

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