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Msg ID: 2712979 You liberal democrats are losing big time +1/-3     
Author:observer II
12/8/2021 3:56:59 PM

That is all



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Msg ID: 2713020 You liberal democrats are losing big time +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
12/8/2021 9:26:06 PM

Reply to: 2712979

Yes, they are----last time they were losing this big is when we took away their slaves!



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Msg ID: 2713065 You liberal democrats are losing big time +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/9/2021 11:48:22 AM

Reply to: 2713020

"You liberal democrats are losing big time


"Yes, they are----last time they were losing this big is when we took away their slaves!"

Ignorance is bliss, ain't it? Southern Democrat were not liberals, they were as conservative as one could be, insisting that the America that allowed them to own, enslave people was a fundamental right.

Repubicans of that era were the liberals, although in an back-asswards way.

YOU didn't "... take away their slaves" at all. They were lost as a result of those states being in rebellion. The states that did not secede still allowed enslavement.

Enslavement still exists. Illegal immigrants are hired, families maintained in de facto enslavement. One reason Trumplicans are all about 'illegal immigrants, etc.", this allows them to terrorize their enslaved with 'la migra': make too much noise about your work conditions? and a raid, mass deportation follows.



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Msg ID: 2713069 Wrong again  +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
12/9/2021 12:09:19 PM

Reply to: 2713065

read this
https://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/p/the-party-of-civil-rights-by-kevin-d.html



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Msg ID: 2713073 "Wrong again" On which point? +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/9/2021 12:35:27 PM

Reply to: 2713069

On which point?

"Southern Democrat were not liberals, they were as conservative as one could be, insisting that the America that allowed them to own, enslave people was a fundamental right."

You believe enslavement is a liberal principle? Jim Crow? I'm interested in hearing your explanataion justifying those slave owners as modern Democrats is going to be a challenge.

 

"Repubicans of that era were the liberals, although in an back-asswards way." 

Lincoln, the antebellum Republican Party had no intention of freeing slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation only affected the enslaved in slave states in rebellion, an attack on their economies- not a human rights/freedom issue at all. 

 

YOU didn't "... take away their slaves". They were lost as a result of those states being in rebellion. The states that did not secede still allowed enslavement.

 

 

 

 

>From Abraham Lincoln to Horace Greeley [Newspaper Clipping]1, August 22, 1862

 

1 Lincoln published the following in response to Greeley to Lincoln, August 19, 1862 (q. v.), a New York Tribune editorial entitled “The Prayer of Twenty Millions. In that letter, Greeley complained that Lincoln had not proclaimed emancipation as he was required to do by the Second Confiscation Act, and asserted that all attempts to put down the rebellion while at the same time upholding slavery were “preposterous and futile.”

Since Lincoln had already read a preliminary version of the Emancipation Proclamation to his cabinet on July 22, this letter has seemed disingenuous to some. In it, however, Lincoln makes it clear to the public that though he considers his primary constitutional duty to be to save the Union, partial or even total emancipation might well be the necessary means to attain that end. Lincoln needed to make his position completely clear without tipping his hand on emancipation prematurely.

 

EXECUTIVE MANSION,

 

Washington, August 22, 1862.

 

DEAR SIR: I have just read yours of the 19th, addressed to myself through the New York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not now and here controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here argue against them. If there be perceptible in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

 

As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing,” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

 

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save thise Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

 

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free. Yours,

 

A. LINCOLN.

 

 

 

And I repeat:

"Enslavement still exists. Illegal immigrants are hired, families maintained in de facto enslavement. One reason Trumplicans are all about 'illegal immigrants, etc.", this allows them to terrorize their enslaved with 'la migra': make too much noise about your work conditions? and a raid, mass deportation follows."

Further, de facto debt slavery slavery still exists. I have heard people discuss 'buying' a worker by purchasing the debt to an employer.

 



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Msg ID: 2713074 crow, you really have a warped incorrect view. +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
12/9/2021 12:43:42 PM

Reply to: 2713065

Even reading post on this site anyone reasonable would come away with the knowledge that you Lefties are the most racist people that post here.  To start with you think and have posted Blacks are to dumb to get a ID Card,how racist is that.

It is the Democratic Party failed policies that have kept them trapped in failing schools, decimated The black family and left black neighborhoods defenseless against crime.

I could go on and on about this,  the democrats are the party of Slavery, secession, segregation and now Socialism.



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Msg ID: 2713083 "crow, you really have a warped incorrect view." You lie. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/9/2021 3:09:11 PM

Reply to: 2713074

"To start with you think and have posted Blacks are to dumb to get a ID Card,how racist is that." 

You lie.

You are a liar. 

I have NEVER posted, said or thought that.

Aplogize, acknowledge your error or accept that you justify the accusation that you are a liar.



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Msg ID: 2713087 Really +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
12/9/2021 4:09:57 PM

Reply to: 2713083

I am farly sure you have post and put Voter ID into the same classification as literacy test, poll taxes, and Jim Crow laws-----calling voter ID's a form of voter suppression.

I will admit that you have not personally posted racist stuff as much as Jett.  But the politcal party you voted for is racist!  No question about it!

 



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Msg ID: 2713089 WRONG! Who Is "Unite The Right"? Tell Us... +3/-0     
Author:Jett
12/9/2021 5:58:43 PM

Reply to: 2713087

Did you notice that their name isn't Unite The Left? These white supremacists are NOT "Libs", "Lefty's", or "Democrats", they are Extreme Right Conservatives.

It's your people and your party that are the Racists Old Dude, not me or mine. 

You're more confused than I thought you were, Idaho is full of these people. I'm not saying you're a Racist because I don't know, but the majority of Racists are Right Wing Conservatives, not "Libs".

Why do you post blatant lies? I am the person on this forum who has for many years stood up for people of color, gays, etc. That's my historical record, I have battled with Zombie and Obsy both about Charlottesville. They both stood up for the White Supremacist Murder, not me, I defended Heather who was brutally murdered by a Right Wing Nut Job at Charlottesville.

Sorry Bitch, but you own the Racists!    



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Msg ID: 2713145 "I am farly sure you have post and put Voter ID into the same classificatio +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/10/2021 10:05:59 AM

Reply to: 2713087

"I am farly sure you have post and put Voter ID into the same classification as literacy test, poll taxes, and Jim Crow laws-----calling voter ID's a form of voter suppression."

Without a specific point or post that you contest, I can only respond generally. You casually post that "... literacy test, poll taxes, and Jim Crow laws-----calling voter ID's a form of voter suppression."" as though that were contestable. All those practices were indeed tools of voter suppression, designed and implemented to exactly what you deny.

"literacy tests" were racist in practice. A higher number of black voters were illiterate and not provided the same assistance in voting as non-minority voters.

These and similar discriminatory practices were the reason the the Voting Rights Acts were passed.



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Msg ID: 2713107 Thank you for your astute observation (NT) +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/9/2021 10:05:18 PM

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