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Msg ID: 2713257 Trump couldn't do in 4 years what Biden did in his 1st year: +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/11/2021 11:46:44 AM

Trump couldn't do in 4 years what Biden did in his 1st year: an infrastructure deal. compromise and accomplish. Or blame, hate, duck responsibility and leave a reputation as 42nd of 44 presidents- Trump, impeached twice, facing numerous criminal indictments, including one of a recorded telephone call attempting a conspiracy to corrupt election results.

Now the TrumpeRINO frog boys will tell us how effed up the deal is. As though Trump's failed efforts were all perfect-like. The biggest and absolutely inarguable point is that Trump failed but Biden did it.

Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.' People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves

Learn from defeat and plan for success or butt your head against the wall, conservative Republicans.

 NEWS ANALYSIS

The early success of the deal vindicated the president’s faith in bipartisanship. If he can keep it on track, it will help affirm the rationale for his presidency.

 
 
President Biden had to manage competing interests to reach a deal on the infrastructure bill.
President Biden had to manage competing interests to reach a deal on the infrastructure bill.Credit...Sarahbeth Maney/The New York Times
Published July 29, 2021Updated Nov. 9, 2021

WASHINGTON — President Biden’s success at propelling an infrastructure deal past its first major hurdle this week was a vindication of his faith in bipartisanship and a repudiation of the slash-and-burn politics of his immediate predecessor, President Donald J. Trump, who tried and failed to block it.

Having campaigned as the anti-Trump — an insider who regarded compromise as a virtue, rather than a missed opportunity to crush a rival — Mr. Biden has held up the promise of a broad infrastructure accord not just as a policy priority but as a test of the fundamental rationale for his presidency.

His success or failure at keeping the bill on track will go a long way to determining his legacy, and it could be the president’s best chance to deliver on his bet that he can unite lawmakers across the political aisle to solve big problems, even at a time of intense polarization.

“President Biden ran on the message that we need to bring people together to meet the challenges facing our country and deliver results for working families,” Mike Donilon, a senior adviser to the president, wrote in a memo the White House released on Thursday, as senior officials crowed about the significance of the accord. “And the American people embraced that message. While a lot of pundits have doubted bipartisanship was even possible, the American people have been very clear it is what they want.”

That may be the case, but the vote on Wednesday that paved the way for the Senate to consider the bipartisan infrastructure plan was no guarantee that the effort would succeed. The measure still has several hurdles to clear, including anger from progressives in the House who are upset at the concessions Mr. Biden made to court Republicans, and skepticism from G.O.P. lawmakers who could still balk at a bill Mr. Trump has repeatedly panned.

For now, though, Mr. Biden has managed to do what Mr. Trump repeatedly promised but never could pull off: move forward on a big-spending, bipartisan deal to rebuild American roads, bridges, water pipes and more. He did so with the support of 17 Republicans during a week marked by bitter partisan disputes in Congress over mask-wearing and the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. 

Mr. Biden had pursued centrist Republicans and Democrats for months in hopes of forging an agreement to lift federal spending on roads, bridges, water pipes, broadband internet and other physical infrastructure. In recent weeks, aides said, he requested multiple daily briefings on negotiations, personally directed administration strategy on policy trade-offs and frequently phoned moderates from both parties to keep the pressure on for a final deal.

The resulting agreement, which would pour $550 billion in new funding into physical infrastructure projects, is another step toward securing the next plank of Mr. Biden’s $4 trillion economic agenda. The White House has called it the largest infrastructure investment since the creation of the interstate highway system in the 1950s, and Democrats hope it comes with a much larger bill to invest in child care, affordable housing, higher education, programs to tackle climate change and more.

The Infrastructure Plan: What’s In and What’s Out

Comparing the infrastructure plan President Biden proposed in March with the one the Senate has passed.

Whether the president can see the deal all the way through could determine how much of his agenda to overhaul American capitalism and rebuild the middle class actually becomes law. Some moderate Democrats in the Senate have conditioned their support for any larger, partisan legislation on first completing a bipartisan infrastructure bill.

The bipartisan agreement is loaded with the first tranche of Mr. Biden’s policy priorities. Administration officials say the deal, if signed into law, would replace every lead drinking water pipe in the country, repair potholed roads and crumbling bridges, further build out a national network of charging stations for electric vehicles and give every American access to high-speed internet.

Mr. Biden would have liked to go much further in all those areas. But he trimmed his ambitions to win Republican support, keep centrist Democrats happy and practice the sort of compromise he has long preached on the campaign trail.

Mr. Biden was motivated to run for president, in part, by a belief that Washington had lost its ability to find common ground and faith that it was possible to revive the spirit of bipartisanship that he cherished in his 36-year Senate career.

That belief was tested in recent weeks, after Mr. Biden announced the framework of an agreement on infrastructure with a bipartisan group of senators at the White House in June. Lawmakers struggled to fill in the policy details. Interest groups pressured Democrats to spend more and Republicans to drop a large revenue source for the original deal, a plan to step up I.R.S. enforcement to catch tax cheats. An early test vote on the measure failed in the Senate.

In the waning moments, another source of pressure emerged: Mr. Trump, who continues to push the lie that the election was stolen from him, and to influence many Republican members of Congress.

As a candidate in 2016, Mr. Trump had promised to push a large infrastructure bill — larger, he claimed, than his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. He doubled down on that promise as president-elect and talked it up often as president. But he never came close to delivering on it, and “Infrastructure Week” became a running joke in Washington, encapsulating the Trump administration’s penchant for veering off message and how a goal both parties ostensibly agreed upon could never seem to be reached. 

As Mr. Biden pushed toward a deal in recent weeks with a group of Republican and Democratic negotiators in the Senate — including Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah, a longtime foil of Mr. Trump’s — the former president blasted out news releases, urging his party to walk away.

“Hard to believe our Senate Republicans are dealing with the radical left Democrats in making a so-called bipartisan bill on ‘infrastructure,’ with our negotiators headed up by super RINO Mitt Romney,” Mr. Trump wrote in a Wednesday statement, referring to the Utah senator with the acronym for Republican in name only. “This will be a victory for the Biden administration and Democrats, and will be heavily used in the 2022 election. It is a loser for the U.S.A., a terrible deal, and makes the Republicans look weak, foolish and dumb.”

The Infrastructure Bill at a Glance


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The bill receives final approval. The House passed the $1 trillion bill on Nov. 5 to rebuild the country’s aging public works system. The proposal is a central plank of President Biden’s economic agenda, which he signed into law on Nov. 15. Here’s what’s inside the bill:

Transportation. The proposal would see tens of billions of dollars in new federal spending going to roads, bridges and transportation programs. Amtrak would see its biggest infusion of money since its inception, and funds would be allocated to programs intended to provide safe commutes for pedestrians.

Climate. Funding would be provided to better prepare the country to face global warming. The Forest Service would get billions of dollars to reduce the effects of wildfires. The bill includes $73 billion to modernize the nation’s electricity grid to allow it to carry renewable energy.

Resources for underserved communities. A new $2 billion grant program is expected to expand transportation projects in rural areas. The bill would also increase support for Native American communities, allotting $216 million to the Bureau of Indian Affairs for climate-resilience and adaptation efforts.

Internet access. The bill includes $65 billion meant to connect hard-to-reach rural communities and low-income city dwellers to high-speed internet. Other provisions seek to stoke competition and transparency among service providers.

 

Soon after, the agreement moved forward in the Senate. Seventeen Republicans voted to take it up, including the Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who has taken pains to distance himself from Mr. Trump in recent months. It was not clear whether the minority leader, who has previously said he was “100 percent focused” on stopping Mr. Biden’s agenda, would ultimately support the bill.

Still, Mr. Biden — who once brokered deals with Mr. McConnell — was personally invested in pursuing a compromise, administration officials said, calling upon his experience as a deal-maker in the Senate.

“Biden and his team was willing to patiently work together with Republicans, and Trump and his team were not willing to do that with Democrats,” said Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia. He added, “I give tremendous credit to the senators who’ve done this, but I will have to say, an ingredient that is necessary is a White House that really wants to do it, that will reach out across the aisle and will stay at the table.”

Mr. Biden also dispatched top legislative aides and members of his Cabinet to reach out to lawmakers in both parties. Senator Kevin Cramer, Republican of North Dakota, said he received repeated calls from Jennifer Granholm, the secretary of energy, and legislative staff members — “always very gently and respectfully” — to discuss the emerging deal and “take my temperature” before he voted to advance the measure.

Multiple senators said the president and his team spent hours with them in person on Capitol Hill and on the phone hashing out the details of the legislation, including thorny disagreements over how to finance billions of dollars in new spending. 

“Joe’s experience in the Senate paid dividends in the presidency,” said Senator Jon Tester, Democrat of Montana, one of the 10 Senate negotiators. “Joe’s willingness to compromise made a huge difference.”

Mr. Trump and his team never put in a similar effort. They waited a year into his presidency to release an infrastructure plan, which many lawmakers quickly dismissed as unserious. As talks were about to get underway, he blew them up in a blast of anger at Democrats. His legislative team never put real muscle into finding a deal on the issue, or even into trying to ram through a partisan plan, as it did with his signature tax cuts in 2017.

The former president was similarly disengaged in his effort to stop Mr. Biden’s bipartisan agreement. While Mr. Trump fired off news releases grousing about the talks, Mr. Biden hosted members of Congress in the Oval Office more than a dozen times in recent weeks. Home in Delaware last weekend, he repeatedly dialed up negotiators to talk on the phone.

Even in a gridlocked Washington, that sort of effort can still be the art of the deal.

Emily Cochrane contributed reporting.



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Msg ID: 2713262 Trump never would have signed this bill! +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
12/11/2021 12:22:06 PM

Reply to: 2713257

And you are not a conservative if you support it.



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Msg ID: 2713263 "Trump never would have signed this bill!" He couldn't get it passed. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/11/2021 12:26:48 PM

Reply to: 2713262

 

 

President Joe Biden passed a less huge, more modest infrastructure bill, and Trump and his supporters are fighting it tooth and claw

 

I am perplexed. In 2016, Donald Trump campaigned on the need to improve our national infrastructure, and he promised a “really huge” investment to repair and upgrade the deteriorating highways, bridges, power systems, etc. that are critical to our national economy. The voters who elected him seemed to agree. Once elected, President Trump was distracted by tax cutting, the Mueller report and other issues, so he never sent a proposal to Congress to carry out his campaign pledge. Surely, he would have promoted this issue in a second term.

So here we are in 2021, with President Joe Biden proposing and passing a less huge, more modest infrastructure bill, and Trump and his supporters fighting it tooth and claw, calling it socialistic and communistic. Biden’s bill does have a minor piece of investment for charging stations to aid the transition to cleaner energy, but most of the bill is precisely what Trump campaigned for in 2016. Moreover, if conservatives had pledged more support for the core concept, the charging stations may have been negotiable this year. But the core was anathema for my fellow Republicans now in 2021.

 

Why the change? I hope and trust that our leaders and mainstream voters are Americans first and party members second. Is my trust misplaced?

Kerry Soelberg

West Jordan



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Msg ID: 2713267 Do you really think the bill are the same? +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
12/11/2021 12:58:52 PM

Reply to: 2713263

The details of a bill is written within the bill not the title.

No conservative politician supported or voted for this bill, it is a total waste of taxpayers money.

Trump never would have signed this bill into law.

All this bill will do is add to the inflation.

If you support it so much, explain something in the bill that has value to Americans.



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Msg ID: 2713446 "Do you really think the bill are the same?" Trump does. But he's dumber  +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/13/2021 2:28:07 PM

Reply to: 2713267

"Do you really think the bill are the same?"

Trump does. But he's dumber than a bag of hammers. What he understand is be LOUD! AGGRESSIVE! and CONTRARY! That makes him popular with his base even if he does nothing.

And nothing is what Trump does best, loud.

When he does do something, it eventually ends in an indictment, divorce or bankruptcy... because he's a genius.

Notice that the discussion is about 'what's good for the party' and not about what's good for America, Americans?

Trump says he will 'never ever' endorse any Republican who votes for Biden's Build Back Better plan

 
 
Trump
President Donald Trump discusses the potential impact of Hurricane Michael during a meeting with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and FEMA Administrator Brock Long in the Oval Office of the White House on October 10, 2018 in Washington, DC. Win McNamee/Getty Images
  • Trump threatened not to support any Republicans who vote in favor of Biden's Build Back Better legislation.
  • "Any Republican in the House or Senate who votes for this Bill will never ever get a Trump Endorsement," he said on Wednesday.
  • The threat comes after 32 Republicans voted for Biden's bipartisan infrastructure bill

Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday blasted President Joe Biden's Build Back Better agenda and threatened not to support any Republican who votes in favor of it. 

"Any Republican in the House or Senate who votes for this Bill will never ever get a Trump Endorsement," Trump said in a statement, referring to Biden's sweeping $1.75 trillion economic spending package that House Democrats are hoping to pass before Thanksgiving.

The bill's framework includes investments that would dramatically boost the country's social safety net, from universal pre-K to an expanded child tax credit. The package also includes billions in funding to tackle climate change. 

Democrats aim to pass the bill on a party-line vote in both chambers. Senate Democrats are planning to use a process called budget reconciliation to move the legislation forward on a majority vote and bypass the 60-vote filibuster requirement. 

Still, Trump sent a warning to Republican lawmakers who may choose to vote for the legislation, though no Republican has actually expressed support for it.

"I understand that a couple Republican Senators may get on board so that they can have yet another and even bigger victory, for the Democrats, while at the same time ensuring massive Inflation and the destruction of our Country as we know it," Trump said in his Wednesday statement.

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Trump's comments come after 32 Republican lawmakers supported Biden's $1 trillion infrastructure bill, which he signed into law on Monday. Trump has already said he will support primary challengers to those Republicans who are up for reelection in the 2022 midterms. 

The former president has particularly took aim at Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure legislation.

"McConnell is a fool and he damn well better stop their 'Dream of Communism Bill' and keep his Senators in line, or he should resign now, something he should have done a long time ago," Trump said, calling the Kentucky Republican a "Broken Old Crow."

McConnell has defended his support for the bill, which was negotiated for months.

"It's a godsend for Kentucky," McConnell said earlier this month. "We have a lot of infrastructure needs."

Though Trump has left office, he remains a popular figure in the Republican Party, with many GOP members claiming that his support in the 2022 midterm elections will be important to the party winning back control of the House and Senate. McConnell himself reportedly warned GOP Rep. Liz Cheney, an outspoken critic of Trump, to stop attacking the former president as it may hurt the party's chances next year. 

Despite Trump's threats, McConnell said last week that he believes 2022 will be "very good" for Republicans.



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Msg ID: 2713303 You couldn't be more right crofraud. We finally agree on something +0/-2     
Author:observer II
12/11/2021 5:32:50 PM

Reply to: 2713257

Trump created he best economy ever.

Trump had the best unemployment numbers in history.

Trump gave the blue collar workers tax cuts.

Trump gave SS recipients their first raise in many years.

Trump made us energy INDEPENDENT.

Trump actually cared about Americans.

Trump never put illegal aliens ahead of Americans.

Trump would never allow non-citizens to vote.

This list is endless you stupid ignorant lib. (crofraud)

 

Biden has destroyed this country in record time.

I have never seen this country so screwed up like I have seen this past year.

This clown you voted for is one step away from complete insanity.

 

So you're correct dumbass, Trump is an American........biden is a child molesting pervert that has no idea where he is, or what he is saying at any given moment.

 

You people have really outdid yourselves this time.

 

And you're too stupid to admit your own failures.

 

We are In serious trouble people



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Msg ID: 2713444 You couldn't be more right crofraud. We finally agree on something +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/13/2021 2:11:56 PM

Reply to: 2713303

"Trump created he best economy ever."

Trump created the situation for the sharpest economic contraction since the Great depression.

 

Trump had the best unemployment numbers in history.

Trump created the situation for the highest unemployment rate EVER!

 

Trump gave the blue collar workers tax cuts.

And the wealthiest 1% recieves an average of 20 times that tax cut.

 

Trump gave SS recipients their first raise in many years.

Since 1975, Social Security general benefit increases have been cost-of-living adjustments or COLAs. The 1975-82 COLAs were effective with Social Security benefits payable for June in each of those years; thereafter COLAs have been effective with benefits payable for December.

Prior to 1975, Social Security benefit increases were set by legislation.

Not Trump, eh?

 

Trump made us energy INDEPENDENT.

For about a month. Now, the important question- when is energy independence important? Not in a time of relative peace when foreign sources are less expensive. Save our domestic assets for times of trouble. In the mean time send dollars instead of boots on the ground. Peoples prosperous in present arrangements don't start wars.

 

Trump actually cared about Americans.

Donald Trump has proven himself a self-centered vindictive, narcissistic, corrupt liar many, many times. And stupid: soliciting election corruption on a recorded telephone.

 

Trump never put illegal aliens ahead of Americans.

Tell us how any president ever did that?

 

Trump would never allow non-citizens to vote.

Elections are a state issue. That's why he called the Georgia Secretary of State, dummass.

 



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Msg ID: 2713423 Trump couldn't do in 4 years what Biden did in his 1st year: +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/13/2021 12:03:53 PM

Reply to: 2713257

Agreed

He's much better with working with both sides. While not all of Trump's ideas were bad, he prefered to govern using force and coersion whereas Biden appears to lead more by consensus, colaboration, and compromise. 



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Msg ID: 2713429 Really +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
12/13/2021 12:53:09 PM

Reply to: 2713423

Biden is much better with working with both side? Bull shit

It is clearly moving more apart than ever before,

The divide is deep and wide.

More than half of all voters who backed Trump say they "that red stayes should break away from the US.

Many state do not pay attention to Biden's executive orders and a record number of law suits have been filed.

A current Foxpoll shows the country even more divide, 54% voters said under Biden the US is less United.

Both Biden and the democrats are pushing us farther apart.

Your post is just make believe, no truth to any of it.

Pay your taxes, you voted for them.



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Msg ID: 2713433 Biden approval numbers...........36%...Harris is in the teens +1/-2     
Author:observer II
12/13/2021 1:03:18 PM

Reply to: 2713429

What a great pair.

Biden says on late night talk show when asked if he pays attention to approval numbers.

Biden says, "NOT ANYMORE"

 

I completely understand why he said that.

 

Has Biden visited Mayfield Kentucky........................?????????????

 

How about the border???????

 

 

And that was Harris's only task. And she has laughed that away.

 

Probably because she hates Biden more than America does. At least that's the rumour



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Msg ID: 2713445 You need to be more specific and cite your source: +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/13/2021 2:19:55 PM

Reply to: 2713433

You need to be more specific and cite your source:

Biden faces lowest approval ratings yet in handling of inflation, COVID-19, gun violence

  

President Joe Biden received heavy criticism from the American public in his handling of the economy, COVID-19 and gun violence, in a new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Sunday.

As the COVID-19 Omicron variant spreads across the country, resulting in renewed mask mandates, travel restrictions and a third vaccine shot, Biden took a significant hit in Americans’ faith in his handling of the pandemic. While a majority of Americans (53%) still approve of Biden’s response, 45% disapprove, marking the most since he took office and a nearly 20 percentage point drop from March, when 72% of Americans approved of his response. 

More:Biden offers condolences, federal resources to areas ravaged by devastating tornadoes

Biden's approval rating slid in his handling of gun violence and crime, as the United States has experienced a surge in gun-related violence and deaths this year, including a shooting at Oxford High School in Michigan on Nov. 30 that left four dead and several injured. Biden faced a seven-percentage point drop in his handling of both issues since October.

Two-thirds of Americans disapprove of Biden’s handling of gun violence, while 32% approve, the ABC News/Ipsos poll found, and only 36% of Americans approve of his handling of crime while 61% disapprove. Both approval numbers are the lowest Biden has seen since his took office. 

As inflation continues to surge in the United States, Americans have named it their top concern, surpassing the pandemic. The poll found that 28% of Americans approved of Biden’s handling of inflation, while a majority of Americans, at 69%, disapproved.

More:A 'house on fire': Biden democracy summit comes as US grapples with own democratic crisis

Biden has also seen a drop in approval rates in his handling of the economic recovery, with 41% of Americans approving his handling in December, compared to 47% back in October. Disapproval rates of Biden’s handling of the economy jumped. Fifty-seven percent of Americans surveyed disapproved of his handling of the economy, compared to the 53% in October.

The poll was conducted Dec.10-11, among a random sample of 524 Americans, with a margin of error of 5%.

 

Excerpted from above: "Biden's approval rating slid in his handling of gun violence" I guess you want more gun control and want America to go back to Trump's 'do-nothing' approach to the novel copronavirus of the first 6 months of 2020?



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Msg ID: 2713447 Or not. You don't really want verifiable facts, just propaganda. (NT) +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/13/2021 2:29:03 PM

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Msg ID: 2713460 Here's the thing crofraud................ +0/-2     
Author:observer II
12/13/2021 3:38:56 PM

Reply to: 2713445

You liberala have no desire to be quoted sources because they are never to your liking.

 

Ballslap complains about that all the time

 

But he also dismisses all our sources as inaccurate and not to be trusted. So why waste my time.

 

The zombie quoted sources all the time and it made zero difference to you closed minded sheeple.

 

You know what we conservatives say is factual but it's also true what they say about you liberals, you're lazy.

 

Biden has the worst approval ratings in history at this time in his first term. And it will get worse.

The economy alone will sink this party. SHould be fun to watch



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Msg ID: 2713742 I can quote flat Earther theory to you, also. Do you belive them? +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/15/2021 4:19:28 PM

Reply to: 2713460

Nor do I put any credibility in Trump's self-serving words to supoort hus return to oresident-for-life.



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Msg ID: 2713483 Biden approval numbers...........36%...Harris is in the teens +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/13/2021 5:05:42 PM

Reply to: 2713433

First, Biden's approval rating is in the 40s (if you look at all polls). I ask that you be genuine with us and not cherry pick individual polls to support your argument. Here are the latest polls:


Second, Biden's numbers are lower now because of Afghanistan and the fact that the Republicans are doing a good job of trying to blame gas prices and inflation on Biden.

These are worldwide issues, not just American issues...Republicans are great at marketing this against Biden...after all, what else do they have to blame him for?



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Msg ID: 2713481 Really +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/13/2021 5:02:31 PM

Reply to: 2713429

The divide started with "Stop the steal" which has alrady been debunked multiple times over. 



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Msg ID: 2713486 Really +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
12/13/2021 5:38:49 PM

Reply to: 2713481

Stop the steal has never been debunked, more and more Americans each day believe it was stolen!  If 56% believe it was stolen, then it has never been debunked!

https://thinkcivics.com/56-of-americans-now-believe-that-democrats-only-won-election-by-cheating/



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