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Msg ID: 2713431 I have to be tested weekly in order to keep my job. +1/-2     
Author:observer II
12/13/2021 12:58:02 PM

Does that sound like America to anyone?

 

I'm wondering how my vaccine status has anything to do with public health and safety.

 

Someone that was vaccinated 5-6 months ago are no more immune to the virus than I am. I actually think I'm more protected.

If 80% of people with the new omni crayon have been vaccinated. Wouldn't it be safe to say that maybe the vaccine has inhibited their ability to fight it off.

Just a thought. I'm no scientist but it stands to reason.

Look at the younger kids now, the media is telling everyone that their cases are going up. Once again, we never heard anything about the young guns having issues until this government started mandating the kids.

This vaccine is NO vaccine.



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Msg ID: 2713438 Quit, if it's that important to you. Or weenie up and b1tch here. +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/13/2021 1:52:41 PM

Reply to: 2713431

There's no point explaining why your vaccination is important or your risk of infecting others should be considered. Trump knew he was infected and refused to limit his contacts, why should I expect more from you?

You don't care if you are infected. Why would you care if you infected others. Well, I guess you might be sorry when somebody you care for is infected bu you and dies, or is a 'long-termer'. I guess 'germ theory' is still dubious in your eyes?

 

If 80% of people with the new omni crayon have been vaccinated. Wouldn't it be safe to say that maybe the vaccine has inhibited their ability to fight it off.

Just a thought. I'm no scientist but it stands to reason.


No, the vaccine has not "inhibited their ability to fight it off." Viruses mutate moving from host to host and between species host. 'Omicron' has develeoped in a somewhat resistant population and thus is not vulnerable in the same ways the original was. Vacines are 'additive' to existing resistance, and the omicron developed and spread in that population.

 

 

"Look at the younger kids now, the media is telling everyone that their cases are going up. Once again, we never heard anything about the young guns having issues until this government started mandating the kids."

Science is a process of uncovering facts. If you're not learning new things, you're resisting or stupid.



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Msg ID: 2713456 You're vaccinated crofraud, do you think you can infect others??? +0/-2     
Author:observer II
12/13/2021 3:06:05 PM

Reply to: 2713438

I wonder how you libs think.

Do you think a covid shot protects you?

Do you think you can be infected?

Do you thnk you can infect others?

 

So how does that make you better than me since the shot protects you from......nothing.

 

Or do you just think you're better?



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Msg ID: 2713442 I have to be tested weekly in order to keep my job. +0/-1     
Author:Old Guy
12/13/2021 1:57:04 PM

Reply to: 2713431

Your point of "Does this sound like America to anyone" is right on.

NO! it is not the American I grew up in.

I can remember when as an employer I didn't have the right to question about legal drug use by employees.  They had the right to keep things private.  Things really have changed.

I do have a little different opinion about the vaccine.  I think if it worked, then for Heath and safety it could be mandated by states.  But it does not work, it does not end the virus, we all know we can still get it and pass it on and still die, the Heath and safety of the public doesn't change.  Why bother.  It is not like the polio vaccine with a 99% rate, get the shot you will never get polio.  



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Msg ID: 2713449 I have to be tested weekly in order to keep my job. +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/13/2021 2:32:14 PM

Reply to: 2713442

I can remember when as an employer I didn't have the right to question about legal drug use by employees.  They had the right to keep things private.  Things really have changed.

You're young, ignorant or dishonest. Alcohol is legal and there is a bottle to throttle rule since... well, forever. I've worked for companies that had more stringent requirements than the law, and wonderful safety records as a result. Their pilot seats were full, with waiting lists.



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Msg ID: 2713455 I have to be tested weekly in order to keep my job. +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
12/13/2021 2:56:39 PM

Reply to: 2713449

You are referring to occupational items, driven by codes the public is not subject to.

And I also used the word legal, as an employer if no laws are broken or going to be broken you have no right to inquire about the drug used.  Sure you can have drug testing done, but if the drug shows up that is legal and percribed the use of that drug will never be reported to you the employer, even if the use of that drug is against FAA code.



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Msg ID: 2713458 Safety on the job, protection against infection from your colleagues. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/13/2021 3:14:59 PM

Reply to: 2713455

Don't like it? Quit. You can, I assume, get another job? Or are your posts here indicative of your attitude on the job? Sanctinomious, self-righteous, obnoxious and contradictory but with your nose firmly up your empoyers' gluteal cleft?



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Msg ID: 2713459 You're very misguided and uninformed +0/-2     
Author:observer II
12/13/2021 3:35:01 PM

Reply to: 2713458

I feel like I'm talking to jettsheep.

You both think that experimental drug protects you.

If anything, it makes your symptoms worse. Even Fauci said as much.

But it's pretty ignorant of you to accuse me of putting my co-workers in harms way.

You should listen to all possibilities lib.

Your mind has become even mre closed as the years go on. I know you're very old, but most old people get wiser.

Not your fault, it's a liberal disease that has a hold on you.

Get vaccinated and pay your taxes. Pay for my testing while you're at it. Could last awhile ????



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Msg ID: 2713475 You post random statements as facts with no back up... +3/-0     
Author:Jett
12/13/2021 4:53:31 PM

Reply to: 2713459

Covid-19

 

Most who post make statements as facts, the big difference is most of us also provide back up from reputable sources for the statements. You provide nothing, you just make wild accusations that go against the reputable sources.

We have provided you with back up from numerous sources, including the CDC, HHS, the Israeli Health Ministry, the UK Health Ministry, WHO, the top Covid research universities like Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Stanford, etc. 

What are your sources of information on Covid? Trucker, Brightfart, extreme right wing websites that promote conspiracies, bull shit other extreme righties email you? None of these sources are legitimate research organizations, in other words you post people's opinions without any basis of fact or research. 

"You should listen to all possibilities lib."

I'll listen to any information from reputable sources, I won't waste my time with conspiracy bull shit. For example if you were to post that the University of Georgia just concluded a study of adverse reactions to Covid vaccines, I would be happy to read it and take into consideration the information their research provided. That would be a legitimate source of information, that I believe all members of the forum would listen to and consider.

You are risking people's health and safety by posting opinions and not facts, it's extremely hard to believe that anyone would pay any attention to the nonsense you post, but I suppose it could happen. If it did happen you could be responsible for a person becoming seriously ill or even dying because they believed the bull shit you posted. 

I wish the Mods of this forum would adapt a comprehensive policy on irresponsible posts like Twitter has.

 

COVID-19 misleading information policy

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November 2021

You may not use Twitter’s services to share false or misleading information about COVID-19 which may lead to harm. 

Even as scientific understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continues to develop, we’ve observed the emergence of persistent conspiracy theories, alarmist rhetoric unfounded in research or credible reporting, and a wide range of false narratives and unsubstantiated rumors, which left uncontextualized can prevent the public from making informed decisions regarding their health, and puts individuals, families and communities at risk.

Content that is demonstrably false or misleading and may lead to significant risk of harm (such as increased exposure to the virus, or adverse effects on public health systems) may not be shared on Twitter. This includes sharing content that may mislead people about the nature of the COVID-19 virus; the efficacy and/or safety of preventative measures, treatments, or other precautions to mitigate or treat the disease; official regulations, restrictions, or exemptions pertaining to health advisories; or the prevalence of the virus or risk of infection or death associated with COVID-19. 

 

What is in violation of this policy?
 

In order for content related to COVID-19 to considered violative under this policy, it must: 

  • advance a claim of fact, expressed in definitive terms; 
  • be demonstrably false or misleading, based on widely available, authoritative sources; and
  • be likely to impact public safety or cause serious harm

Tweet Removal

We may require customers to delete Tweets that are found to violate this policy and are severely harmful. We may also temporarily lock you out of your account before you can Tweet or share information again. These tweets will accrue 2 strikes in accordance with our strike policy stated below. We will require the deletion of Tweets that contain, for example: 

  1. False claims about COVID-19 that invoke a deliberate conspiracy by malicious and/or powerful forces, such as:
    • The pandemic is a hoax, or part of a deliberate attempt at population control, or that 5G wireless technology is causing COVID-19. 
    • COVID-19 is not a real disease.
    • Immunizations are part of a global surveillance, population control or depopulation effort.
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    • Vulnerable groups (such as pregnant women, the elderly, or children) are being experimented on.
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  2. Claims that specific groups or people (or other demographically-identifiable identity) are more or less prone to be infected or to develop adverse symptoms on the basis of their membership in that group;
  3. False or misleading claims about potentially harmful and unapproved treatments or preventative measures, for example, that chlorine dioxide or Povidone-iodine can be used as a prophylactic or in the treatment of COVID-19. 
  4. False or misleading information about official regulations, restrictions, or exemptions pertaining to health advisories.
  5. Any efforts to promote, advertise, facilitate the sale of, or provide instructions on how to create fraudulent vaccination cards (or other digital records) or “exemption cards."
  6. False information about widely accepted testing methodologies, such as that PCR tests are unable to detect the virus.
  7. False claims that suggest that vaccines contain deadly and severely harmful ingredients.
  8. False affiliation - Accounts which misrepresent their affiliation, or share content that falsely represents its affiliation to a medical practitioner, public health official or agency, research institution, or that falsely suggests expertise on COVID-19 issues.

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When Tweets include misleading information about COVID-19, we may place a label on those Tweets that includes corrective information about that claim. In cases where we determine there is potential for harm associated with the misleading claim, we will disable the ability for others to Retweet, Quote Tweet, or engage in other ways to prevent the spread of the misleading information. These tweets will accrue 1 strike in accordance with our strike policy stated below. 

In some cases we may also add labels to provide context in situations where authoritative (scientific or otherwise) opinion might change or is changing over time, in situations where local context is important, or when the potential for harm is less direct or imminent. We may also apply labels on Tweets linking to content from a third-party website that would otherwise violate our policies if the content were posted directly on Twitter. Tweets with labels that meet this criteria will receive a label that provides credible and authoritative information, but will not accrue a strike in accordance with our strike policy stated below. 

We may apply labels to Tweets that contain, for example:

  1. False or misleading information about preventative measures one can take to avoid infection, such as claims that face masks cause hypoxia or bacteria pneumonia, or do not work to reduce transmission or to protect against COVID-19.
  2. False or misleading information suggesting that unapproved treatments can be curative of COVID-19.
  3. False or misleading information regarding the safety or science behind approved or authorized COVID-19 vaccines, such as: 
    • The vaccines will cause you to be sick, spread the virus, or would be more harmful than getting COVID-19. 
    • Tweets that incite fear or misrepresent the ingredients or contents of COVID-19 vaccines. 
    • Tweets that mischaracterize the nature and science behind mRNA vaccines, and how they work. 
    • Tweets that claim vaccines alter genetic code.
    • Tweets that misrepresent or misuse official reporting tools/statistics.
    • False or misleading claims that people who have received the vaccine can spread or shed the virus (or symptoms, or immunity) to unvaccinated people.
  4. False or misleading information that misrepresent the protective effect of vaccines, to make claims contrary to health authorities. Claims that misrepresent research or statistical findings pertaining to the severity of the disease, prevalence of the virus, or effectiveness of widely accepted preventative measures, treatments, or vaccines. 

When a label is applied to a Tweet, this typically entails: 

  • Presenting a warning message on the Tweet
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  • Turning off likes, replies, and Retweets; and/or
  • Providing a link to additional explanations or clarifications, such as in a curated landing page or relevant Twitter policies.

 

What is not a violation of this policy?

We seek to protect robust, public debate about the response to COVID-19, and recognize that the state of scientific knowledge about certain aspects of the pandemic and public response to it (including the development of vaccines) is still evolving. In the absence of other policy violations, the following are generally not in violation of this policy:

  • Strong commentary, opinions, and/or satire, provided these do not contain false or misleading assertions of fact.
  • Campaigns against official advisories or recommendations. People are entitled to organize and campaign around matters that are important to them, so long as they’re not advancing false and harmful misinformation in the process.
  • Counterspeech. We allow for direct responses to misleading information which seek to undermine its impact by correcting the record, amplify credible information, and educate the wider community about the prevalence and dynamics of misleading information.
  • Personal anecdotes or first-person accounts. We do not enforce the COVID-19 misinformation policy on reports or first-person accounts of side-effects, injury, or harm alleged to have been caused by COVID-19 vaccines, or other matters pertaining to COVID-19.
  • Public debate about the advancement of COVID-19 science and research, including debate about research related to COVID-19, such as the effectiveness of treatments and mitigation measures, so long as the claims don’t intentionally misrepresent research findings.

 

Who can report violations of this policy?

While we have recently launched a customer report feature in some countries, we primarily enforce this policy in close coordination with trusted partners, including public health authorities, NGOs and governments, and continue to use and consult with information from those sources when reviewing content. 

We also leverage proactive detection using a combination of keyword heuristics and machine learning models to identify harmful forms of COVID-19 related misleading information. 

 

What happens if you violate this policy?
 

Strike system

The consequences for violating our COVID-19 misleading information policy depend on the severity and type of the violation and the account’s history of previous violations. In instances where accounts repeatedly violate this policy, we will use a strike system to determine if further enforcement actions should be applied. We believe this system further helps to reduce the spread of potentially harmful and misleading information on Twitter, particularly for high-severity violations of our rules.

Repeated violations of this policy are enforced against on the basis of the number of strikes an account has accrued for violations of this policy:

  • 1 strike: No account-level action
  • 2 strikes: 12-hour account lock
  • 3 strikes: 12-hour account lock
  • 4 strikes: 7-day account lock
  • 5 or more strikes: Permanent suspension

If you believe that your account was locked or suspended in error, you can submit an appeal.

Reducing Visibility of Content Related to COVID-19 Misinformation 

We may reduce the visibility of tweets or accounts that we believe with high confidence to be in violation of the COVID-19 misinformation policy. Limitations on the visibility of Tweets and/or accounts resulting from this framework expire automatically after a limited period of time, but may be re-applied (either manually or automatically) if we determine that the accounts have continued to violate the policy. We may reduce the visibility by: 

  • Making Tweets and Retweets from those accounts ineligible to appear in certain parts of the Twitter product (such as top Search results) 
  • Displaying Replies from the account in a lower position in conversations
  • Excluding Tweets by the account and/or the actual account in email or in-product recommendations 

Permanent Suspension

We may immediately permanently suspend accounts that represent the following violative behaviors: 

False affiliation: If the account is determined to misrepresent their affiliation, or share content that falsely represents its affiliation as a medical practitioner, public health official or agency, research institution, or that falsely suggests expertise on COVID-19 issues.

Repeated Violations: If we determine that the account repeatedly violates the COVID-19 misinformation policy over a 30-day time period, or if we have determined that the account has been set up for the expressed purpose of Tweeting false or misleading information about COVID-19.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Msg ID: 2713524 You post random statements as facts , yada yada yada +0/-2     
Author:observer II
12/14/2021 8:03:55 AM

Reply to: 2713475

A reputable source to you is Rachel Madcow, or maybe it's Trevor what's his name.

 

You're a tool jettsheep

 

Pay your taxes, get your many boosters, and pay for my testing while you're at it.

 

Thanks



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Msg ID: 2713547 You were given examples, and it wasn't them...  +2/-0     
Author:Jett
12/14/2021 9:59:13 AM

Reply to: 2713524

I think you're the tool, Trucker, Brightfart?



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Msg ID: 2713550 The adults are talking here sonny (NT) +0/-2     
Author:observer II
12/14/2021 10:15:30 AM

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Msg ID: 2713553 Then what are you doing here? (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Jett
12/14/2021 10:18:44 AM

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Msg ID: 2713476 I have to be tested weekly in order to keep my job. +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/13/2021 4:53:38 PM

Reply to: 2713431

Let me address a few things you said

First, if you are vaccinated, prior to the Omicron virus, the vaccination 

1. Prevents you from even getting it

2. Prevents most people from getting hospitalized

3. If you do get, lessens the severity and length - Lower viral load means less chance of spreading it to someone else

So, those are some pretty good benefits.

If you get a 3rd dose, again, there is very good protection against Omicron

The vaccine does not "Inhibit the body's ability to fight it off". Please share some scientific literature that says that. The vaccines simply allow the body to "remember" what a spike protein looks like so it can mount a defense against it. If you have a scientific article that explains your hypothesis, I'd love to read it.

Here is the sobering truth about Covid:

1. Many people who have gotten covid have permanent long-term symptoms now - Cognitive issues, breating issues, chronic fatigue, and heart. I know of 8 people now who have long-haul covid. My cousin, who is a pharamacist just told me that one of his coworkers, a young girl, who got covid last year, cognitively has never been the same. 

2. They are concerned that there may be even more long-term effects of getting covid.

I'm going to share this in a separate post:

The COVID pandemic has now claimed as many American lives as World War I, the Vietnam War, and the Korean War combined. Most of these deaths are due to the well-known pulmonary complications of the coronavirus. It has become increasingly recognized, however, that the virus also attacks the nervous system. Doctors in a large Chicago medical center found that more than 40% of patients with COVID showed neurologic manifestations at the outset, and more than 30% of those had impaired cognition. Sometimes the neurological manifestations can be devastating and can even lead to death.

However, new research is now suggesting that there may be long-term neurologic consequences in those who survive COVID infections, including more than seven million Americans and another 27 million people worldwide. Particularly troubling is increasing evidence that there may be mild — but very real — brain damage that occurs in many survivors, causing pervasive yet subtle cognitive, behavioral, and psychological problems.

The hidden long-term cognitive effects of COVID-19 - Harvard Health

 

So, here is the reality. 

Almost every single health professional believes that the benefits of the vaccine far outweight the risks. Based on what I just showed you, do you really believe a covid vaccine is going to be more dangerous than that?



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Msg ID: 2713660 Yes, you aren't doing your due diligence +0/-1     
Author:observer II
12/15/2021 9:28:47 AM

Reply to: 2713476

I can find a million articles about how it's good for you.

It's far more difficult to find negative  articles. But the negative articles hold far more weight becasue they are far more unpopular.

I make my own decisions mod, I'm not a sheep that follows the first person that comes along.

Certainly not when it's my health that's in the mix.

Your post about the omnicron contridicts itself.

1. Prevents you from even getting it

If you get a 3rd dose, again, there is very good protection against Omicron



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Msg ID: 2713755 Yes, you aren't doing your due diligence +1/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/15/2021 7:02:59 PM

Reply to: 2713660

Obsy, you are thinking with yoru emotions and unfortunatley some very flawwed logic.

Somewhere in that mind of yours, you believe because there aren't many negative articles, that must mean they are hiding something?

I cannot spend time trying to explain to you what a double bling placebo study is and how studies by multiple countries in the world are saying the SAME THING.

You want to believe what your political people say about the vaccine and you don't want anybody to tell you waht to do.

Yes, it's your body ... it's your mind. It's your decision. I shared that with you out of the goodness of my heart because I don't want to see you or others suffer. I was in emergency medical services for quite a few years both on the medical side then on the aviation side. My background in biomedical engineering (initially) and then FDA validation work helped me to sift through a lot of teh stuff you guys are reading. I don't look at the news, I read the scientific studies. You don't have to politisize every single thing that's out there.


Think long and hard about it - If you feel you have the qualifications to figure out what's really in your best interest based on what you read and listen to from your own media sources, go at it. I sure as heck would never want to get covid knowing what I know about many of the long-term effects. Good day 

 



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Msg ID: 2713757 Oh yes, I HAVE done my due diligience +1/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/15/2021 7:05:48 PM

Reply to: 2713660

You just say things, attack, and don't bother to ask any questions without your emotions getting invovled.

I did a heck of a lot more research than you. Your argument "You didnt' do you due diligience" is about the craziest and most hilarious thing I've heard. You're making the argument that the absense of negative data makes it plausible that someone's hiding somethign? 

You can't prove a negative or the lack of existence of information if you can't find it. 

This is, again, about your ego. Sad...You are willing to compromise your health because of your ego. 



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