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Msg ID: 2713534 Obsy, did you get covid already? +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/14/2021 8:39:01 AM

Obsy, did you get covid during the pandemic?



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Msg ID: 2713536 I did +1/-1     
Author:observer II
12/14/2021 8:47:13 AM

Reply to: 2713534

I was actually at my family doctor for a regular appointment and we got to talking about the vaccine.

 

I told him that I believe most people have had it, and didn't know it.

 

So I asked him if he could do an anti-bodies test. And he said yes

 

They proceeded to take two viles of blood. Why so much? I have no idea

 

Had the results in a few days. And it showed that was exposed to the SARS covid

 

It didn't tell me my anti-body count. I guess that's a different test. But it verified I has the virus.

 

And my point is, I had it and didn't know it. So how is the vaccine going to make my symptoms less?

 

My wife had it as well, she was quarentined. And my company had me tested two times during that period because they quarentined me as well. But I  tested negative both times



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Msg ID: 2713566 I did +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/14/2021 11:50:25 AM

Reply to: 2713536

It sounds like your doctor chose the qualitative IgG SARS-Covid 19 Immunoglobin test as opposed to quantitative. 

I sincerely hope you have no long-lasting effects. 

Natural immunity only lasts a certain period of time, similar to geting the vaccine.

You could get covid again (I know people who got it multple times) and it's conceivable, depending upon which strain you get and how high the viral load is when you contact it, that your body may not handle it quite as well as you did the first time. 

Also, the virus causes inflamation in various organs in the body. Do you want to continue risking long-term effects? 

 



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Msg ID: 2713571 OK, but here's the flip side of that. +0/-2     
Author:observer II
12/14/2021 12:06:29 PM

Reply to: 2713566

You are correct, I may contract the virus again. More than likely I will. But here's the thing, and you said it yourself.

My anti-bodies may not last forever but it has been determined that the vaccine anti-bodies only last about 4-5 months.

So a person may be protected during that time period, but isn't any better off than an unvaccinated person after that 4-5 months expires.

And I've read that the MRNA changes your bodies ability to fight other strains. Hence the boosters, which came out almost immediately.

In regards to inflamation of the organs. That is one of the side effects to the shot. Which has killed people.

Let's face facts here, there is not enough data to intelligently determine whether the shot actually helps or not. They have gone back and forth so many times about this, no one can believe anything they say.

My opinion is the minute they inserted the money incentive, it was over. 



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Msg ID: 2713577 OK, but here's the flip side of that. +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
12/14/2021 12:29:16 PM

Reply to: 2713571

Obsy,

I have never read anywhere in scientific literature that the mRNA "changes your body's ability" to fight other strains.

Every single vaccine you and I get does one thing... It introduces a Spike Protein to the body so that the body recognizes it as a pathogen and "remembers it". 

The difference between the mRNA vaccine and other vaccines is simply how spike proteins are introduced into the body. The mRNA vaccine enters into the cell and then instructs the body on how to make the spike protein, which then exits the cell, and then the body mounts an antibody (among other) immune response. The harmless spike proteins completely disolves in your body in about 14 days.

Other vaccines will use an attenunated virus that grows in chicken eggs. It takes a lot longer to do this process.

So, if you have some scientific literature that shows that getting an mRNA vaccine prevents the body from attacking other strains, I'd like to read it.

Another point, I have not even gotten a cold in just under 2 years now. I was first vaccinated in January of 2021, second in February, and Booster about 3 weeks ago.

There is data now to show that getting a booster shot significantly increases immunity against Omicron. So yes, given what I have seen with people who have gotten Covid, I 100% do not want to get covid. Research "Long term covid effects" not only from the US, but from other countries.

I sincerely am just looking out for you Obsy - All politic aside. 

Here are the people I know who got Covid (by first name only) and what issues they are having now

Joe - Double pneumonia that is not resolving - mid 40s pilot out of teterboro

Jane - Former work colleague - Non stop chronic fatigue

Frank - Had lung issues for close to 1 1/2 years

Tamp - Airline pilot friend - Still has not gotten full taste / smell back 

Cousin's Co-worker - She got covid and he has witnessed a stark cognitive difference, not remembering names etc

Pilot at Wyoming vally airport - Got covid almost a year ago and suffers from chronic fatigue

These are just 6 people that I remember ... there are a few more. 

Sure, there are some rare side effects from the mRNA. Young males seem to be the most succeptible to mycarditis. The put the risk of getting myocarditis at 2.6 per 100,000 or 1 in 38,400 (and those were pretty much young males). Most cases were also mild

There were injection site rashes (i know two people who got that) and some temporary neurological issues that resolve.

So, the quesiton is this - Do you want to risk getting covid again, where they can measure damage to the brain, etc, or do you want to get a vaccine that has gone out to billions?

Another statistic - 

1 in 100 over 65 has died of covid. 

 



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Msg ID: 2713580 Vaccines and acquired immunity from infections last about the same time. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/14/2021 12:44:04 PM

Reply to: 2713571

The vaccination induced antibodies reduce over time, that's why a rational person opts for a booster. The information, so far, is that mixing vaccine types maximises protection.

United States Coronavirus Cases: 51,018,282
Deaths: 819,315

 

Against that: 

As of December 23, 2020, a reported 1,893,360 first doses of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine had been administered in the United States, and reports of 4,393 (0.2%) adverse events after receipt of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine had been submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Among these, 175 case reports were identified for further review as possible cases of severe allergic reaction, including anaphylaxis. Anaphylaxis is a life-threatening allergic reaction that does occur rarely after vaccination, with onset typically within minutes to hours (3). Twenty-one cases were determined to be anaphylaxis (a rate of 11.1 per million doses administered), including 17 in persons with a documented history of allergies or allergic reactions, seven of whom had a history of anaphylaxis. 

 

pan>About a sixth of Americans have had Covid 19. It kills about 2% of the infected. 

The early study of VAERS above,  "1,893,360 first doses" involved 175 adverse results. 2% of the doses administered is 37,867, not the 175 that actually occurred. 

 

The Covid 19 virus is mutating rapidly, so the booster requirement would likely be necessary to control the mutated infections anyhow.



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Msg ID: 2713582 Listen, I'm happy for you guys. You'll be getting boosters forever. Every 6 +0/-3     
Author:observer II
12/14/2021 1:02:54 PM

Reply to: 2713571

months according to Fauci.

If this has nothing but positive results, then explain why there are so many scientists out there telling you not to get it.

These people are out there if you look.

But keep in mind that no matter how many shots you get. You can still contract it, and you can still spread it.

We will just agree to disagree on this topic.

I'm far more concerned about this unproven covid shot than I am of losing my job.

There is a video out there that explains how the mRNA shots focus on one strain and do not allow the body to fight anything other than that one. 

And like I've said before, This covid can transfer to animal. None of the other viruses you mentioned do that. Human to human can be cured, or prevented. Human to animal can not.

My .02



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