Author:Old Guy 12/14/2021 12:32:54 PM
Reply to: 2713570
There has been plenty of proof you want to control the narrative on this site. Allowing mean nasty things said about Trump and his wife, that aren't true. But something bad about Biden that is true, you make some kind of on the spot rule.
Why don't you go to the title page and under the rules declare "you will be banned if you post about behavior of Biden that not normal."
The only reason you would banned me is because post after post I prove you wrong!
Author:bladeslap 12/14/2021 4:33:55 PM
Reply to: 2713579
I don't have time for childish outbursts and name calling Old guy
Yes, I DO control narrative. I do not allow that phrase to be used for any of our presidents on a public forum that I host that can be seen by the world.
I will repeat it again...If you think I am being unfair to you or you no longer enjoy being here, you have the option of not returning. These are my rules.
And as an aside, don't understimate my ability to have a deeper undestanding of you than you think I do. I get you Old guy. I understand your frustration that you truly don't like Biden at all. The way you feel about Biden, I feel even MORESO about Trump. He has abused countless women, and even admitted it, and you refuse to even acknolwedge that.
The fact that you never brought up the 26+ women who accused him of abusing them, the 14 year old girl who brough a law-suit to court but dismissed it because she said her life and her family's life was threatened...you don't bring those things up. You never brought up anything about Trump, about his "friendship with Epstein". With the comments about the young girls. Why is that?
So, since this is a partisan thing for you and you really aren't seeking truth, and it's just about trying to defame and destroy a person you don't like, that's why I'm telling you to STFU and change the subject...because I know your motives a lot more clearly than you think.
Author:bladeslap 12/14/2021 4:47:13 PM
Reply to: 2713579
And you never bothered to bring up when Trump admitted that he openly sexually abuses women because he's rich and famous?
So, when you can hold yourself to that standard and explain why that's okay, but when Uncle Joe rubs a little kids shoulders, that's somehow and issue?
Do you realize how much of a hyporcite that makes you out to be? It so clearly paints your motivations and your inability to be impartial.
Proving a negative? Over Biden's lifetime? I believe you rebuked me for+2/-0
Author:TheCrow 12/14/2021 12:23:02 PM
Reply to: 2713569
Proving a negative? Over Biden's lifetime?
I believe you rebuked me for posting an allegation that Trump had violated a law, was a criminal. How about you posting proof that he has never ever committed a crime... like misappropriating (embezzling) from his own charity? You know the one in which he agreed to a $2 million dollar settlement.
Or any of the women who have accused him of sexual attacks with which he has settled instead of taking the accusation to court and 'proving' his 'innocence'.
Proving a negative? Over Biden's lifetime? I believe you rebuked me for+4/-0
Author:bladeslap 12/14/2021 12:30:49 PM
Reply to: 2713576
It's more than that. Trump has had serious allegations much worse, involving children, that I have barred from this site as well. It's an area I just don't want this forum to go to. I think we have pretty loose rules.
Author:Old Guy 12/14/2021 12:50:33 PM
Reply to: 2713578
Allegations about Trump have all been driven because of politics, none proven!
Bidens blatant and openly gropes a child, pulls her near him and won't let her go when she tries to get away, continues to repeatedly kiss her while she objects---that is potentially assault. You have seen the videos, even though You Tube has removed them. Now you tell me what kind of behavior it is.
Author:observer II 12/14/2021 1:12:16 PM
Reply to: 2713581
I've gone through this same crap with him in the past old guy.
He simply does not recognize what him and his two pets do here on a daily basis.
He once put me in netfriction jail. And everytime I tried to log in, it automatically sent me to a Trump molesting his daughter site.
There is many videos displaying his very inappropriate behavior along with many women accusing him of sexual assault. The list is endless. And that doesn't even go into his history of being a racist.
Seems to be the same infraction to me. But whay do I know, I'm not a lib.
The rules are very different for us Americans. And when you point out the obvious, they accuse you of crying victim.
When everyone in the free world knows that it's libs that claim to be victims. Hence all the free crap, lol.
I'm telling you old guy, this is an argument you can never win. The grand wizard dictates the narrative like you said.
Damn, that was harsh. I thought we made a breakthru?? +1/-2
Author:observer II 12/15/2021 9:20:38 AM
Reply to: 2713610
No one is bitching about your rules mod.
The complaint is that the rules only apply to certain posters here.
Is this something you do not see?
No one is trying to intimidate anyone.
You are making this into something that isn't there.
What exactly is a political forum? What kind of forum would it be with only one party posting? Having participation from both sides is the only way it works. My .02
I come on here from time to time to see what's being said. That's it
Molestation fantasies, huh? That was uncalled for. Remember, you voted for him
What Is It About Conservatives and Pedos? It's Too Weird...+3/-0
Author:Jett 12/14/2021 5:52:38 PM
Reply to: 2713583
You conservatives have some kind of really weird fetish about them, QAnon, Pizza Parlors, posts here on net Friction. It's the reason Cincy, Fondy, Zombie, etc aren't posting any more, they just couldn't leave that subject alone. They were told over and over that this forum doesn't allow those types of allegations against people unless it's a person who has been charged with or convicted of such an offense.
But you people just can't stop, which makes you more likely than most to be one of them!
Leave the kids out of it, because what you're really doing is using children as a political weapon to attack others, and that's just wrong...
Allegations about Trump have all been driven because of politics, none pro+3/-0
Author:TheCrow 12/14/2021 2:18:27 PM
Reply to: 2713581
"Allegations about Trump have all been driven because of politics, none proven!"
You reckon Donald Trump made confidential settlements involving millions of dollars overall to those accusing him of sexual attacks because he's generous? At least 25 women have made the accusation since the 1970s.
Rape is not a crime of sex, passion. It's an exercise in power against a woman by forcing sex upon her. Trump is all about power.
When the news broke that Donald Trump had been caught on video in 2005 boasting that, as a celebrity, he feels free to “grab” women “by the pussy,” Harry Hurt III experienced a sense of vindication. In 1993, Hurt published “Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump,” an unauthorized biography that has long been out of print. The day the tape surfaced, he was hitting golf balls at a driving range in Sagaponack, New York, when a text message arrived from a friend: “Donald is done!”
After Hurt watched the tape, he said, “I thought, Finally, this behavior is coming out.” But he doubted that the revelation would do any real damage to Trump’s campaign. Researching his book, in the early nineties, Hurt discovered and documented more serious instances of Trump’s mistreatment of women, yet most news outlets had declined to report on them. Even during the current campaign, Hurt said, “I’ve been a voice in the wilderness.”
When “Lost Tycoon” was published, Kirkus Reviews credited Hurt, a former contributing editor at Texas Monthly, with having written “a slick, informed account.” The Times ignored it. Trump denounced it, and last year, in a tweet, he called Hurt a “dummy dope” who “wrote a failed book.”
The part of the book that caused the most controversy concerns Trump’s divorce from his first wife, Ivana. Hurt obtained a copy of her sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt’s account, Trump was furious that a “scalp reduction” operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, “with menacing casualness, ‘Does it hurt?’ ” Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana’s deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends.
Hurt held on to his copy of Ivana’s sealed deposition for years. “It was sworn testimony,” he said. But eventually, when he was cleaning house during his own divorce, he said, “I threw it all out.” He went on, “The larger tragedy is that Trump might be elected President of the United States. I never imagined in my wildest nightmares that it would come to this.”
Before Hurt’s book came out, Trump’s lawyers pressured the publisher, W. W. Norton, to paste a clarifying statement from Ivana into the flyleaf of every copy. In it, she confirmed that she had said in a deposition that her husband had “raped” her, but added that she did not want those words to be interpreted in “a literal or criminal sense.” She also said, “As a woman, I felt violated.” Hurt said that he considers the note a non-denial denial, and believes that Ivana agreed to amend her words in order to secure the divorce settlement, in which she reportedly received fourteen million dollars in cash.
When the rape story resurfaced last summer, Ivana issued a statement saying that it was “without merit.” “She and Donald have raised three kids together. They’re picking their bedrooms in the White House,” Hurt said. “But she’s not saying it’s untrue, or that she didn’t swear to it under oath.”
Trump was deposed during the divorce, too. According to a report by the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement, which examined the divorce records, Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination approximately a hundred times when Ivana’s lawyers asked him about adulterous relations with other women.
“Lost Tycoon” didn’t sell well. It came out at a time when Trump’s businesses were faltering, and interest in him had waned. But this spring, when Trump was one of three Republican Presidential candidates still in the race, Hurt asked Norton to reissue the book. Word came back that the publisher’s lawyers had deemed the book “too dangerous to publish.” (Norton said it had made “a business decision.”)
Hurt decided to scan the book and reissue it himself online. When a reporter for the Daily Beast began making calls about the rape allegation, Michael Cohen, a Trump lawyer, told him, “You write a story that has Mr. Trump’s name in it and the word ‘rape,’ and I’m going to mess your life up . . . for as long as you’re on this frickin’ planet.” After that, Hurt said, CNN booked him four times, but kept cancelling. The only TV host to have him on the air to talk about the rape allegation was Megyn Kelly, at Fox News.
Hurt finally made it onto CNN last week, after ten more women had come forward to accuse Trump of violating them. “I applaud their courage,” he said, “and thank them for telling the truth under what must be painful and embarrassing circumstances.” Recalling the second debate, in which Trump insisted that his “locker-room talk” was only talk and not action, Hurt said, “He was lying. I know full well he has done that. His own wife said so, under oath.”♦
Published in the print edition of the October 24, 2016, issue, with the headline “Trump Reboot.”
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Jane Mayer, The New Yorker’s chief Washington correspondent, is the author of “Dark Money” and the recipient of a 2021 Freedom of the Press Award.
Capitol attack panel obtains PowerPoint that set out plan for Trump to stag+3/-0
Author:TheCrow 12/14/2021 2:34:12 PM
Reply to: 2713567
January 6 was a spontaneous expression by the mob. Except that Pence and Trump addressed the "Stop the Steal" rally before it turned violent and attacked Congress performing it's duties to confirm the electoral college votes.
Presentation turned over by Mark Meadows made several recommendations for Trump to pursue to retain presidency
Trump at a rally in Wisconsin in November last year. The recommendations in the PowerPoint were based on unsubstantiated claims of election fraud. Photograph: Carlos Barría/Reuters
Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows turned over to the House select committee investigating the 6 January Capitol attack a PowerPoint recommending Donald Trump to declare a national security emergency in order to return himself to the presidency.
The fact that Meadows was in possession of a PowerPoint the day before the Capitol attack that detailed ways to stage a coup suggests he was at least aware of efforts by Trump and his allies to stop Joe Biden’s certification from taking place on 6 January.
The PowerPoint, titled “Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan”, made several recommendations for Trump to pursue in order to retain the presidency for a second term on the basis of lies and debunked conspiracies about widespread election fraud.
Meadows turned over a version of the PowerPoint presentation that he received in an email and spanned 38 pages, according to a source familiar with the matter.
The Guardian reviewed a second, 36-page version of the PowerPoint marked for dissemination with 5 January metadata, which had some differences with what the select committee received. But the title of the PowerPoint and its recommendations remained the same, the source said.
Senators and members of Congress should first be briefed about foreign interference, the PowerPoint said, at which point Trump could declare a national emergency, declare all electronic voting invalid, and ask Congress to agree on a constitutionally acceptable remedy.
The PowerPoint also outlined three options for then vice-president Mike Pence to abuse his largely ceremonial role at the joint session of Congress on 6 January, when Biden was to be certified president, and unilaterally return Trump to the White House.
Pence could pursue one of three options, the PowerPoint said: seat Trump slates of electors over the objections of Democrats in key states, reject the Biden slates of electors, or delay the certification to allow for a “vetting” and counting of only “legal paper ballots”.
The final option for Pence is similar to an option that was simultaneously being advanced on 4 and 5 January by Trump lieutenants – led by lawyers Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman, as well as Trump strategist Steve Bannon – working from the Willard hotel in Washington DC.
The Guardian revealed last week that sometime between the late evening of 5 January and the early hours of 6 January, after Pence declined to go ahead with such plans, Trump then pressed his lieutenants about how to stop Biden’s certification from taking place entirely.
The recommendations in the PowerPoint for both Trump and Pence were based on wild and unsubstantiated claims of election fraud, including that “the Chinese systematically gained control over our election system” in eight key battleground states.
The then acting attorney general, Jeff Rosen, and his predecessor, Bill Barr, who had both been appointed by Trump, by 5 January had already determined that there was no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of the 2020 election.
House investigators said that they became aware of the PowerPoint after it surfaced in more than 6,000 documents Meadows turned over to the select committee. The PowerPoint was to be presented “on the Hill”, a reference to Congress, the panel said.
The PowerPoint was presented on 4 January to a number of Republican senators and members of Congress, the source said. Trump’s lawyers working at the Willard hotel were not shown the presentation, according to a source familiar with the matter.
But the select committee said they did find in the materials turned over by Meadows, his text messages with a member of Congress, who told Meadows about a “highly controversial” plan to send slates of electors for Trump to the joint session of Congress.
Meadows replied: “I love it.”
Trump’s former White House chief of staff had turned over the materials to the select committee until the cooperation deal broke down on Tuesday, when Meadows’ attorney, Terwilliger, abruptly told House investigators that Meadows would no longer help the investigation.
The select committee announced on Wednesday that in response, it would refer Meadows for criminal prosecution for defying a subpoena. The chairman of the select committee, Bennie Thompson, said the vote to hold Meadows in contempt of Congress would come next week.
“The select committee will meet next week to advance a report recommending that the House cite Mr Meadows for contempt of Congress and refer him to the Department of Justice for prosecution,” Thompson said in a statement.
