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Msg ID: 2714184 Here's a great covid question +0/-3     
Author:observer II
12/19/2021 11:00:47 AM

These liberals are relentless when it comes to the shot mandate.

Why?

Has anyone here question Biden's true stance on the mandate?        NO

So why do people think it's constitutional to enforce this act on the working AMerican people? This administration is firing people that WANT to work. these are the very people providing everyone with products so people can feed their families and survive.

And why hasn't the most basic of question being asked? Biden wants to fire people that are not compliant, yet he allows milions of untested, and unvaccinated illegals into this country, and transposrts them to cities all over this country.

I would call that a super spreader.

If these mandates stand, this country is done. 



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Msg ID: 2714211 "Here's a great covid question" and an answer: United States Coronavirus Ca +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/19/2021 4:03:49 PM

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United States Coronavirus Cases: 51,727,526
Deaths: 827,250



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Msg ID: 2714314 Most of those deaths are under Biden. Don't forget that fact crow (NT) +0/-1     
Author:observer II
12/20/2021 1:36:58 PM

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Msg ID: 2714227 You're a Crybaby who Refuses to be part of the Solution... +2/-0     
Author:Jett
12/19/2021 7:05:43 PM

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Therefore you're part of the problem. You're scared of the vaccines because you believe in conspiracy bull shit. What you should do is put your big-boy pants on and get your jab and encourage others to do the same. 

I've said on this forum before that this will end up with the Supremes, and because the court is stacked Extreme Right, they will eventually rule that most vaccine mandates can't be enforced.

So what? Hopefully the mandates will have caused many people to get vaccinated who otherwise would not have.

In the meantime we should take advantage of every opportunity we can to ostracize the Extreme Righties who are refusing to get vaccinated due to conspiracy nonsense. 

I can sympathize with the small number of people who truly have a problem with vaccines due to religious beliefs or real medical issues, but not Extreme Right Nut Jobs who are Conspiracy Freaks.     



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Msg ID: 2714318 Cry me a river lib. +0/-1     
Author:observer II
12/20/2021 1:46:17 PM

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I weep for you.

If you're vaccinated and completely safe from catching it, from spreading it, from hospitalization, from death, from lesser symptoms. Why do you care what anybody else does.

You're that guy/girl that see's people in the gym during working hours and files a complaint trying to prevent them from doing so knowing you've never seen a gym let alone stepped foot in one. But because you don't use the gym, you want to make sure no one else does either. (I use that example because one of you libs did that to me.)

That's what libs do. They can't be miserable on their own, they feel compelled to drag as many down with them as possible.

Same thing goes for this BS covid shot. You want to make sure everyone else gets it because you, yourself are not happy unless everyone is in the same boat. It certainly isn't because you give a crap.

Merry Christmas to you and....................whoever it is you spend it with.



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Msg ID: 2714296 "Here's a great covid question" +1/-1     
Author:TheCrow
12/20/2021 11:40:22 AM

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Government requirement of vaccination has been found to be constitutional in the past. Will the sitting SCOTUS affirm a federal mandate? Perhaps not.

But states can mandate vaccination.

Are vaccine mandates constitutional?

 
Therese Shanks
September 21st, 2021 at 2:00 AM
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Last week, President Biden issued executive orders requiring certain federal employees and contractors to be vaccinated. On September 14, 2021, Gov. Sisolak signed emergency regulations that require all Department of Corrections employees and certain healthcare workers to be vaccinated. As a lawyer with nearly ten years of experience practicing constitutional law at the appellate level, I’ve been repeatedly asked the same question: Are these mandates constitutional? 

There are four types of vaccine mandates currently in play and the answers vary: 

  1. Can a state constitutionally issue a vaccine mandate? Yes.  
  2. Can a state constitutionally prohibit vaccine mandates? Yes, probably.  
  3. Can the federal government constitutionally require its employees to be vaccinated? Yes, probably.  
  4. Can the federal government constitutionally require that every American citizen be vaccinated? I do not know.  

Here’s what you need to know.  

As of 120 years ago, states can mandate vaccinations 

In 1905, in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Boston’s smallpox vaccine mandate as a constitutional exercise of the state’s police power. Jacobson has not been overruled, which means it is still law. Many state courts have relied on Jacobson to reject challenges to mask and vaccine mandates.

Nevada is among those states. Recently, in Blandino v. Eighth Judicial District Court, the Nevada Court of Appeals rejected a challenge to a mask mandate and relied on Jacobson to find that the mandate was enforceable. While Blandino did not pertain to mandatory vaccination, earlier Nevada cases have cited vaccine mandates with approval. For example, in a 2003 case, Kirkpatrick v. Eighth Judicial Court, the Nevada Supreme Court indicated that school vaccine mandates for children are enforceable. Even prior to Jacobson, the 1904 Nevada Supreme Court in In re Boyce noted that compulsory vaccination of children is an enforceable state decision.  

The Supreme Court is refusing to enter the fray 

The current U.S. Supreme Court has consistently and repeatedly stated that it is not going to get involved in the vaccine or mask mandate debate. Since the first South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Newsom appeal in May 2020, the majority conservative block of the Supreme Court (Justices Roberts, Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch and Barrett) have stated on many occasions that the high court does not consist of “public health experts” competent to address issues of “medical and scientific uncertainty” and that courts should generally defer to the states when it comes to pandemic-related public health measures. 

These statements have been consistently repeated by the Supreme Court in every pandemic related appeal since, to wit: Calvary Chapel v. Sisolak (July 2020), Andino v. Middleton (October 2020), Democratic National Committee v. Wisconsin State Legislature (October 2020), Roman Catholic Dioceses v. Cuomo (November 2020), Food & Drug Administration v. American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (January 2021); and South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Newsom (February 2021). Last month, Justice Barrett denied an appeal challenging the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals’ finding that the Indiana state university system’s vaccine and mask mandate was constitutional.  

What does this mean? 

If the Supreme Court is not going to overrule Jacobson, as it appears is the case, that indicates that a state can rely upon Jacobson to issue reasonable vaccine mandates. But this also means that a state may be able to prohibit vaccine mandates. Under the Tenth Amendment, if the Constitution does not prohibit a state from doing something, the state can do it. The Supreme Court’s deference to the states in this matter indicates that the current court believes pandemic public-health restrictions are a matter of state’s rights under the Tenth Amendment. Should Nevada implement vaccine mandates, the Supreme Court is therefore not likely to overturn it.

What does this mean for the federal government? If the Supreme Court does not weigh in on debate, the federal government can likely require its employees to be vaccinated. However, whether the federal government can issue a nationwide mandate is completely unclear. If this really is a question of states’ rights, the current court might step in and prevent a nation-wide mandate. It might also choose to remain uninvolved, which is why my answer to question four at the outset of this piece was “I don’t know.”  

What is clear is that your geography, and not necessarily the Constitution, may be what defines your rights regarding vaccine mandates. 

Therese Shanks is an attorney at Fennemore, working in the Business Litigation practice group in Reno. She possesses extensive appellate experience and has successfully handled numerous appeals before the Nevada Supreme Court, Nevada Court of Appeals, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and the United States Supreme Court.

 
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Msg ID: 2714299 You have linked a unreliable source! (NT) +0/-1     
Author:Old Guy
12/20/2021 11:43:43 AM

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Msg ID: 2714338 You have linked a unreliable source! +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/20/2021 3:58:42 PM

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The Nevada Independent

Last updated on November 4th, 2020 at 05:25 pm

Nevada Independent - Least Biased - Credible - ReliableFactual Reporting: High - Credible - Reliable


LEAST BIASED

These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes).  The reporting is factual and usually sourced.  These are the most credible media sources. See all Least Biased Sources.

 
  • Overall, we rate The Nevada Independent Least Biased based on a reasonably balanced editorial page and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information.

Detailed Report

Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180

pan>History

According to their about page “The Nevada Independent is a nonpartisan, nonprofit news and opinion website founded in 2017 by veteran political journalist and commentator Jon Ralston. The site and its supporting channels are focused on ethical, unbiased, and transparent journalism. In general, we aim to gather and disseminate important public information and increase civic engagement.” Jon Ralston has been a political journalist and commentator covering Nevada Politics for over 30 years. His resume includes a talk show on PBS, local TV and Radio and writing for Politico. The website is also available in Spanish.

Read our profile on United States government and media.

 

Funded by / Ownership

Jon Ralston is the founder, editor, and managing director. The website operates as a project of Nevada News Bureau, Inc. which is a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization with a governing board of five directors. The Nevada Independent provides a full disclosure list of every single donor.

Analysis / Bias

In review, The Nevada Independent primarily reports on issues and politics for the state of Nevada. There is minimal use of loaded language in news headlines such as this: Former deputy files another lawsuit against embattled Storey County sheriff. Information within articles is always sourced and in the case of the article listed above, it is sourced to court documents. Story selection tends to favor the left with some articles favoring left-leaning political positions such as clean energy and pro-immigration. However, most of these reports provide some balance through the use of counterpoints. Opinion pieces also tend to slightly favor the left and do utilize loaded words that favor the left such as this: “Talk about nonsense personified. But that’s Nevada’s Republican Party in the time of Trump. Not so long ago, a man who made a living running a stable of prostitutes might have thanked his lucky stars he was a pimp in one of the few places in America that it’s legal. But having pledged blind loyalty to the erratic charlatan in the White House, anything goes.” They also provide balance by having conservative-leaning op-eds such as this: Background checks and the danger of absurd political expectations. In general, news reporting is balanced with editorials slightly leaning left in number.

 

factual search reveals The Nevada Independent has never failed a fact check. In fact, they perform well sourced fact checks, themselves.

 

Overall, we rate The Nevada Independent Least Biased based on a reasonably balanced editorial page and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information. (D. Van Zandt 9/11/2018) Updated (3/1/2019)

Source: https://thenevadaindependent.com

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2714341 They are just opinion, +0/-1     
Author:Old Guy
12/20/2021 4:10:59 PM

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I do normally pay attention.  You wrote "they also solicit viewers opinion"

Just because the add some views opinion to their opinion, does not make it true.

Not a reliable source of information!



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Msg ID: 2714322 "Here's a great covid question" Right back atcha crofraud +0/-1     
Author:observer II
12/20/2021 1:53:23 PM

Reply to: 2714296

And when this happened, did people lose their careers, their livelihoods, their ability to provide for their families.

Damn, you made me late. Gotto go my friend



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Msg ID: 2714340 "Here's a great covid question" Right back atcha crofraud +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/20/2021 4:10:17 PM

Reply to: 2714322

And when this happened, did people lose their careers, their livelihoods, their ability to provide for their families.

United States Coronavirus Cases: 51,855,372  These people are ourt of work forever, not able to provide for their families.


Deaths: 827,633

 

Every one of those infections came from another person.

 

Donald Trump on Feb. 23: 51 confirmed cases in U.S.

"We're very much involved. We're very — very cognizant of everything going on. We have it very much under control in this country,"

 

Trump waited months before he allowed rational, proven public health policies be implemented to address the novel coronavirus pandemic. In that time America became the world leader in number of cases, a status it has maintained to this day; in that time America had the highest unemployment rate ever recorded and the sharpest economic contraction since the Great Depression.



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