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Msg ID: 2714191 Three Generals Warn Of Civil War, Demand Justice For Jan 6...  +3/-1     
Author:Jett
12/19/2021 1:11:31 PM

Three retired generals warn of a CIVIL WAR if 2024 election results are not accepted by sections of the military following a 'Trumpian figure': Demand leaders of Jan. 6 are brought to justice

  • Former Army Major Gen Paul Eaton, former Brigadier Gen Steven Anderson and former Army Major Gen Antonio Taguba warned of another coup attempt 
  • They claimed in a column for The Washington Post that there may be an attack similar to the January 6 Capitol riot after the 2024 election 
  • 'Military and lawmakers have been gifted hindsight to prevent another insurrection,' they wrote, saying leaders must take action now 
  • Meanwhile billionaire Ray Dalio predicts there is a 30 percent chance of US Civil War in the next ten years because of 'emotional' political polarization' 

Three retired US generals warned Friday that America's divided military could fuel a new civil war if there's another coup attempt after the 2024 election because 'more than 1 in 10 of those charged in January 6 attacks had a service record'. 

Former Army Major Gen Paul Eaton, former Brigadier Gen Steven Anderson and former Army Major Gen Antonio Taguba made the worrisome claim in a column for The Washington Post.

'As we approach the first anniversary of the deadly insurrection at the US Capitol, we - all of us former senior military officials - are increasingly concerned about the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election and the potential for lethal chaos inside our military, which would put all Americans at severe risk,' the generals penned.

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'We are chilled to our bones at the thought of a coup succeeding next time,' they added. 
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Retired Army Major Gen Paul Eaton was among three former top military brass to warn that the country may be plunged into civil war if there is another coup attempt after 2024 election
Retired Army Major Gen Paul Eaton was among three former top military brass to warn that the country may be plunged into civil war if there is another coup attempt after 2024 election 
Former Army Major Gen Paul Eaton
Former Brigadier Gen Steven Anderson
Former Army Major Gen Antonio Taguba
 

Former Army Major Gen Paul Eaton (left), former Brigadier Gen Steven Anderson (center) and former Army Major Gen Antonio Taguba (right) penned a column in The Washington Post Friday warning of another coup attempt after the 2024 election similar to the January 6 Capitol riot that will divide the military and cause a possible civil war

The generals referenced January 6, 2020, when thousands of fiery patriots and Donald Trump supporters stormed the Capitol building, which resulted in the death of five people
The generals referenced January 6, 2020, when thousands of fiery patriots and Donald Trump supporters stormed the Capitol building, which resulted in the death of five people

In such a polarized political atmosphere, 'with loyalties split,' the generals observed that 'some might follow orders from the rightful commander in chief, while others might follow the Trumpian loser'.

'In this context, with our military hobbled and divided, US security would be crippled. Any one of our enemies could take advantage by launching an all-out assault on our assets or our allies,' the column read.

They emphasized: 'The military and lawmakers have been gifted hindsight to prevent another insurrection from happening in 2024 - but they will succeed only if they take decisive action now'. 

Eaton, 71, was in charge of training Iraqi troop during Operation Iraqi Freedom between 2003 and 2004 during. After he retired, Eaton became a vocal critic of former President George W. Bush, who spearheaded the war in Iraq., and is currently a senior adviser to VoteVets.

Taguba, 71, spent 34 years in the military and made headlines for an internal United States Army report on the abuse of detainees held at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq when it was leaked in 2004. 

Anderson, 65, had a  31-year career in the armed forces, including 15 months working under General David Petraeus as a in Iraq.

Most recently Robert Palmer (pictured), 54, was sentenced to 63 months for his involvement in the January 6 riot, where he assaulted police officers with a fire extinguisher and hurled wooden boards at them
Most recently Robert Palmer (pictured), 54, was sentenced to 63 months for his involvement in the January 6 riot, where he assaulted police officers with a fire extinguisher and hurled wooden boards at them 

The three retired generals noted that the events that unfolded on January 6, 2020 - when thousands of fiery patriots and Donald Trump supporters stormed the Capitol building and resulted in the death of five people - showed that 'the signs of potential turmoil in our armed forces are there'.  

Since, at least 185 people in attendance have since been charged with assaulting or impeding police in a failed bid to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's presidential election victory. 

The three generals were sure to note that 'more than 1 in 10 of those charged in the attacks had a service record'. 

Most recently, Robert Palmer, 54, from Largo, Florida, was sentenced to 63 months in jail - the harshest sentence yet - for his involvement in the riot, where he assaulted police officers with a fire extinguisher and hurled wooden boards at them.   

But he's not the only one who maintains that the election was an honest one. 

In May a group of 124 retired admirals and generals - the 'Flag Officers 4 America - published an open letter than questioned the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election.

The letter read: 'Without fair and honest elections that accurately reflect the “will of the people” our Constitutional Republic is lost. Election integrity demands insuring there is one legal vote cast and counted per citizen. 

'Legal votes are identified by State Legislature’s approved controls using government IDs, verified signatures, etc. Today, many are calling such commonsense controls “racist” in an attempt to avoid having fair and honest elections. Using racial terms to suppress proof of eligibility is itself a tyrannical intimidation tactic.' 

Trump's Defense Secretary Chris Miller later testified that as his boss clung to power in the White House, he was deliberately withholding military protection of the Capitol building before January 6. 

'It is evident that the whole of our military was caught off-guard,' Eaton, Anderson and Taguba wrote.

But Miller said five months after the attack that he had three goals during the final days of the Trump administration: Avoiding a major war, avoiding a military coup, and avoiding sending troops to do battle with citizens on American streets.

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A report revealed how in the weeks after Trump's election defeat, while he refused to accept the outcome at the polls, he tried to use loyalists to push through a withdrawal troops from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, Germany and Africa.   

It was revealed that Trump's plan to withdraw troops completely from Afghanistan before leaving office was opposed by Miller and other senior officials who succeeded in persuading the president to keep to a plan that would decrease the number of troops to 2,500. 

It was apparently part of what Miller, a US Army veteran who was only installed after Trump's election defeat, saw as his duty. 

Eaton, Anderson and Taguba also mentioned the Oklahoma National Guard's new commander Army Brigadier General Thomas Mancino, who refused to enforce the US defense department's Covid-19 vaccine mandate after a change in commanding officers.

Mancino said that he would listen to the state's governor Republican Kevin Stitt for orders, who he also said is his commander in chief - not President Biden - since the Oklahoma Guard is not federally mobilized. 

In the opinion column Eaton, Anderson and Taguba called Mancino's refusal to enforce the vaccine mandate 'worrying'.

They also claimed the decision increases 'the potential for a total breakdown of the chain of command along partisan lines - from the top of the chain to squad level... should another insurrection occur'. 

Ray Dalio (pictured), who has a net worth of $20.3 billion, predicted that there is a 30 percent chance of US Civil War in the next decade

Meanwhile billionaire Ray Dalio predicts there is a 30 percent chance of US Civil War in the next ten years because of 'emotional' political polarization,' but said the Constitution will probably save the nation. 

Dalio is the founder of the world's largest hedge fund firm, Bridgewater Associates. This year he was ranked as the 88th richest person in the world with a net worth of $20.3 billion. 

He made his bold claims in his new book, 'Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order: Why Nations Succeed and Fail,' which was published on November 30. 

Dalio explained that he believes there is a 'dangerously high risk' that the country will have a civil war within in the next ten years and pointed to the rules of governance being 'ignored' and the 'exceptional amount of polarization' currently seen in the country. 

'For example, when close elections are adjudicated and the losers respect the decisions, it is clear that the order is respected,' he wrote, seemingly referencing the Capitol riot.

'When power is fought over and grabbed, that clearly signals the significant risk of a revolutionary change with all its attendant disorder.'

He noted that people, including high-ranking officials, have openly doubted the validity of recent elections and expressed their willingness to fight for their beliefs. 

Dalio cites several studies as statistical proof of his claims of polarization within the country showing the deep divide specifically between the two political parties.

A 2019 Pew survey found that 55 per cent of Republicans and 47 percent of Democrats viewed the other as more immoral than other Americans, and 61 percent of Republicans and 54 percent of Democrats said that those of the other party don't share their values.

Also, 79 percent of Democrats and 83 percent of Republicans said they had 'cold' or 'very cold' feelings for members of the other party; 57 percent of Democrats and 60 percent of Republicans selected 'very cold'. 

<h3 class="mol-factbox-title">January 6 coup sentences
  • Leonard Gruppo, Texas: Sentenced on 10/29 to 24 months probation with 90 days of home detention; $500 restitution and a $3,000 fine.
  • Jonathan Ace Sanders Sr, Indiana: Sentenced on 11/4 to 36 months probation, $500 restitution, and 60 hours of community service within six months.  
  • John Wilkerson IV, Maryland: Sentencing held 11/16/2021. Sentenced to 36 months probation; $2,500 fine; $500 restitution and 60 hours of community service.
  • Brittiany Angelina Dillon, Maryland: Sentenced 11/4 to three years probation with two months of home detention; $500 restitution.
  • Caleb Jones, 24, Ohio: Sentenced 12/1 to 24 months probation including two months home confinement, and $500 restitution.
  • Matthew Loganbill, 55, Missouri: Sentenced 10/1/2021 to two years probation, including the first three months in home confinement; $10 special assessment; $500 restitution and 80 hours of community service.
  • Erik Rau, Ohio : Sentenced on 9/29/2021 to 45 days incarceration and $500 restitution.
  •  Frank Scavo, 59, Pennsylvania: Sentenced on 11/22 to 60 days in prison, $5,000 fine and $500 restitution.
  • Jordan Kenneth Stotts, 31, Minnesota: Sentenced 11/9 to 24 months probation with conditions and 60 days home detention; $500 restitution; and 60 hours of community service.
  • Boyd Allen Camper, 54, Montana: Sentenced 11/12 to 60 days incarceration and $10 special assessment.
  • Kevin Cordon. 33, California: Sentenced 11/15/2021 to 12 months probation and $500 restitution. $25 special assessment and $4,000 fine imposed.
  • Joshua Bustle, 34, Virginia: Sentenced in August 2021 to 24 months probation, a special assessment of $10 and $500 restitution.
  • Danielle Nicole Doyle, Oklahoma: Sentenced 10/1/2021 to two months probation, $10 special assessment; $3,000 fine and $500 restitution.
  • Anna Morgan-Lloyd, 49, Indiana: Sentenced to 36 months of probation followed by $500 in restitution.
  • Dona Sue Bissey, 52, Indiana: Sentenced 10/12/2021 to 14 days incarceration, 60 hours community service and $500 restitution.
  • Derek Jancart, 39, Ohio: Sentenced 9/29/2021 to 45 days incarceration and $500 restitution.
  • Thomas Vinson, Kentucky: Sentenced on 10/22 to five years probation, a $5,000 fine, $500 restitution and 120 hours of community service.
  • Robert Maurice Reeder, Maryland: Sentenced 10/12/2021 to 12 months probation, $500 restitution and 100 hours of community service.
  • Lori Ann Vinson, Kentucky: Sentenced on 10/22 to five years probation, a $5000 fine, $500 restitution and 120 hours of community service.
  • Paul Allard Hodgkins, Florida: Sentenced 7/19 to 8 months incarceration followed by 2 years supervised release.
  • Glenn Wes Lee Croy, Colorado: Sentenced 11/5 to 3 years probation; $500 restitution.
  • Eric Chase Torrens, 28, Tennessee: Sentenced on 10/29 to 36 months probation with 90 days of home confinement; $500 restitution.
  • John Lolos: Sentenced 11/19 to 14 days incarceration and $500 restitution.
  • Scott Fairlamb, 43, New Jersey: Sentenced 11/10 to 41 months incarceration.
  • Andrew Bennett, Maryland:  Sentenced 10/1/21 to two years of probation, the first three months of which are to be served in home confinement; $10 special assessment; $500 restitution to the Architect of the Capitol; 80 hours of community service.
  • Karl Dresch, 40, Michigan: Sentenced August 2021 to time served and $500 restitution.
  • Matthew Mazzocco, 37, Texas: Sentenced 9/12/2021 to 36 months of probation and $500 restitution.
  • Jack J. Griffith, 25, Tennessee: Sentenced on 10/28 to 36 months probation and 90 days of home confinement; $500 restitution.
  • Valerie Ehrke, California: Sentenced 9/17/2021 to three years probation with conditions and $500 restitution.
  • Jenna Ryan, 50, Texas: Sentenced 11/4 to 60 days incarceration, $500 restitution and $1000 fine.
  • Robert Bauer, Kentucky: Sentenced Oct. 13 to 45 days incarceration, 60 hours community service and $500 restitution.
  • Edward Hemenway, Virginia: Sentenced Oct. 13 to 45 days incarceration, 60 hours community service and $500 restitution.
  • Troy Anthony Smocks, 58, Texas: Sentenced on 10/21 to 14 months incarceration and 3 years supervised release.
  •  David C. Mish, Jr, 42, Wisconsin: Sentenced 11/18 to 30 days incarceration and $500 restitution.
  • Eliel Rosa, 53, Texas: Sentenced Oct. 12, 2021 to one year probation, $500 restitution and 100 hours of community service.
  • Jacob Anthony Chansley, 33, Arizona: Sentenced Nov. 17 to 41 months in prison.
  •  Bradley Rukstales, 52, Illinois: Sentenced 11/12 to 30 days incarceration and $500 restitution.
  • Cindy Fitchett, 59, Virginia: Sentenced 11/9 to 36 months probation with one month home detention; $500 restitution; and 60 hours community service.
  • Douglas Sweet, 58, Virginia: Sentenced 11/9 to 36 months probation with one month home detention; $500 restitution; and 60 hours community service.
  • Terry Brown, 69, Pennsylvania: Sentenced 12/1 to 36 months probation with the first month as home detention; $500 restitution and 60 hours community service.
  • Michael Curzio, 35, Florida: Sentenced 7/12 to six months incarceration and $500 in restitution.
  • Thomas Gallagher, 61, New Hampshire: Sentenced 10/13/2021 to 24 months probation, 60 hours community service, $500 restitution and a special assessment of $10.

 

 

 

 

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Msg ID: 2714461 Three Generals Warn Of Civil War, Demand Justice For Jan 6...  +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/21/2021 1:24:04 PM

Reply to: 2714191

January 6 was the proof of concept run. The extreme right wing ultra-natiionalist Trumpists aren't going to strike from a mob/rally in place, and they're going to be armed and have a definite tactical goal to reach.

They are no testing their ability to communicate, coordinate and assemble to strike.

Y'all remember 9/11? A few from a land far away created chaos, killed thousands of Americans... and they were barely familiar with our nation. Imagine what these Comet Ping Pong punks can do, in place and fully knowledgeable.

They tell you day to day that you Trump opponents, Democrats, 'libs', socialists, whatever the hate of the day is, they tell you that you are destroying their country. That ain't idle talk.

 

 Gonna be shocking horrific when it comes, and it's going to take a while...

 
 
 

Academic and member of CIA advisory panel says analysis applied to other countries shows US has ‘entered very dangerous territory’

Rioters try to break through a police barrier at the Capitol in Washington on 6 January.
Rioters try to break through a police barrier at the Capitol in Washington on 6 January. Photograph: John Minchillo/AP
 
 in New York

The US is “closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe”, a member of a key CIA advisory panel has said.

 
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The analysis by Barbara F Walter, a political science professor at the University of California at San Diego who sits on the Political Instability Task Force, is contained in a book due out next year and first reported by the Washington Post.

At the same time, three retired generals wrote in the Post that they were “increasingly concerned about the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election and the potential for lethal chaos inside our military”.

Such concerns are growing around jagged political divisions deepened by former president Donald Trump’s refusal to accept defeat in the 2020 election.

Trump’s lie that his defeat by Joe Biden was caused by electoral fraud stoked the deadly attack on the US Capitol on 6 January, over which Trump was impeached and acquitted a second time, leaving him free to run for office.

The “big lie” is also fueling moves among Republicans to restrict voting by groups that lean Democratic and to make it easier to overturn elections.

Such moves remain without counter from Democrats stymied by the filibuster, the Senate rule that demands supermajorities for most legislation.

In addition, though Republican presidential nominees have won the popular vote only once since 1988, the GOP has by playing political hardball stocked the supreme court with conservatives, who outnumber liberals 6-3.

All such factors and more, including a pandemic which has stoked resistance to government, have contributed to Walter’s analysis.

Last month, she tweeted: “The CIA actually has a taskforce designed to try to predict where and when political instability and conflict is likely to break out around the world. It’s just not legally allowed to look at the US. That means we are blind to the risk factors that are rapidly emerging here.”

The book in which Walter looks at those risk factors in the US, How Civil Wars Start, will be published in January. According to the Post, she writes: “No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war.”

But “if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America – the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or Ivory Coast or Venezuela – you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely.

“And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.”

Walter, the Post said, concludes that the US has passed through stages of “pre-insurgency” and “incipient conflict” and may now be in “open conflict”, beginning with the Capitol riot.

Citing analytics used by the Center for Systemic Peace, Walter also says the US has become an “anocracy” – “somewhere between a democracy and an autocratic state”.

 
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The US has fought a civil war, from 1861 to 1865 and against states which seceded in an attempt to maintain slavery.

Estimates of the death toll vary. The American Battlefield Trust puts it at 620,000 and says: “Taken as a percentage of today’s population, the toll would have risen as high as 6 million souls.”

Sidney Blumenthal, a former Clinton adviser turned biographer of Abraham Lincoln and Guardian contributor, said: “The secessionists in 1861 accepted Lincoln’s election as fair and legitimate.”

The current situation, he said, “is the opposite. Trump’s questioning of the election … has led to a genuine crisis of legitimacy.”

With Republicans’ hold on the levers of power while in the electoral minority a contributing factor, Blumenthal said, “This crisis metastasises, throughout the system over time, so that it’s possible any close election will be claimed to be false and fraudulent.”

Blumenthal said he did not expect the US to pitch into outright civil war, “section against section” and involving the fielding of armies.

If rightwing militia groups were to seek to mimic the secessionists of the 1860s and attempt to “seize federal forts and offices by force”, he said, “I think you’d have quite a confidence it would be over very, very quickly [given] a very strong and firm sense at the top of the US military of its constitutional, non-political role.

“… But given the proliferation of guns, there could be any number of seemingly random acts of violence that come from these organised militias, which are really vigilantes and with partisan agendas, and we haven’t entered that phase.

“The real nightmare would be that kind of low-intensity conflict.”

Members of the Oath Keepers, a far-right group, on the East Front of the US Capitol on 6 January
Members of the Oath Keepers, a far-right group, on the East Front of the US Capitol on 6 January. Photograph: Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP
 
The retired generals who warned of conflict around the next election – Paul Eaton, Antonio Taguba and Steven Anderson – were less sanguine about the army.
 
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“As we approach the first anniversary of the deadly insurrection at the US Capitol,” they wrote, “we … are increasingly concerned about the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election and the potential for lethal chaos inside our military, which would put all Americans at severe risk.

“In short: We are chilled to our bones at the thought of a coup succeeding next time.”

Citing the presence at the Capitol riot of “a disturbing number of veterans and active-duty members of the military”, they pointed out that “more than one in 10 of those charged in the attacks had a service record”.

Polling has revealed similar worries – and warnings. In November, the Public Religion Research Institute asked voters if they agreed with a statement: “Because things have gotten so far off track, true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country.”

The poll found that 18% of respondents agreed. Among Republicans, however, the figure was 30%.

On Twitter, Walter thanked the Post for covering her book. She also said: “I wish I had better news for the world but I couldn’t stay silent knowing what I know.”

 


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Msg ID: 2714462 Millions of Angry, Armed Americans Stand Ready to Seize Power If Trump Lose +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
12/21/2021 1:31:57 PM

Reply to: 2714461

January 6, Charlottesville were only testing the waters. 

 

 

Mike "Wompus" Nieznany is a 73-year-old Vietnam veteran who walks with a cane from the combat wounds he received during his service. That disability doesn't keep Nieznany from making a living selling custom motorcycle luggage racks from his home in Gainesville, Georgia. Neither will it slow him down when it's time to visit Washington, D.C.—heavily armed and ready to do his part in overthrowing the U.S. government.

Millions of fellow would-be insurrectionists will be there, too, Nieznany says, "a ticking time-bomb" targeting the Capitol. "There are lots of fully armed people wondering what's happening to this country," he says. "Are we going to let Biden keep destroying it? Or do we need to get rid of him? We're only going to take so much before we fight back." The 2024 election, he adds, may well be the trigger.

Nieznany is no loner. His political comments on the social-media site Quora received 44,000 views in the first two weeks of November and more than 4 million overall. He is one of many rank-and-file Republicans who own guns and in recent months have talked openly of the need to take down—by force if necessary—a federal government they see as illegitimate, overreaching and corrosive to American freedom. 

The phenomenon goes well beyond the growth of militias, which have been a feature of American life at least since the Ku Klux Klan rose to power after the Civil War. Groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, which took part in the January 6th riot at the Capitol and may have played organizational roles, have grown in membership. Law enforcement has long tracked and often infiltrated these groups. What Nieznany represents is something else entirely: a much larger and more diffuse movement of more-or-less ordinary people, stoked by misinformation, knitted together by social media and well-armed. In 2020, 17 million Americans bought 40 million guns and in 2021 were on track to add another 20 million. If historical trends hold, the buyers will be overwhelmingly white, Republican and southern or rural.

America's massive and mostly Republican gun-rights movement dovetails with a growing belief among many Republicans that the federal government is an illegitimate tyranny that must be overthrown by any means necessary. That combustible formula raises the threat of armed, large-scale attacks around the 2024 presidential election—attacks that could make the January 6 insurrection look like a toothless stunt by comparison. "The idea that people would take up arms against an American election has gone from completely farfetched to something we have to start planning for and preparing for," says University of California, Los Angeles law professor Adam Winkler, an expert on gun policy and constitutional law. 

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West Ohio Minutemen, an armed militia, stand guard near Public Square during the second day of the 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio, on July 19, 2016.MARCUS YAM/LOS ANGELES TIMES/GETTY
 

According to the Constitution, Congress and the Supreme Court are supposed to settle those sorts of dueling claims. Given the growing intensity and polarization of political life, would either side accept a decision that handed a contested 2024 election result to the other?

Such a decision would more likely bring tens of millions of protesters and counter-protesters into the streets, especially around the U.S. Capitol and possibly many state capitols, plunging the country into chaos. Although many Democrats might be inclined to demonstrate, a larger percentage of Republican protesters would almost certainly be carrying guns. If the Supreme Court ruling, expected in mid-2022, on New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen establishes an unrestricted right to carry a gun anywhere in the country, bringing firearms to the Capitol in Washington, D.C. could be perfectly legal. Says Winkler: "The Supreme Court may be close to issuing the ruling that leads to the overthrow of the U.S. government."

If armed violence erupts the 2024 elections, quelling it could fall to the U.S. military, which may be reluctant to take arms against U.S. citizens. In that case, the fate of the nation might well be decided by a simple fact: a big subset of one of the two parties has for years been systemically arming itself for this very reason.

"I hope it's just too crazy to happen here," says Erica De Bruin, an assistant professor of government at Hamilton College, who studies coups around the world. "But it's now in the realm of the plausible."

Enemy at the Gates

Many Republicans are increasingly coming to see themselves less as citizens represented by the federal government, and more as tyrannized victims of that government. More than three-quarters of Republicans reported "low trust" in the federal government in a Grinnell College national poll in October; only a minority of Democrats agreed. From this point of view, peaceful elections will not save the day. More than two out of three Republicans think democracy is under attack, according to the Grinnell poll, which echoes the results of a CNN poll in September. Half as many Democrats say the same.

Security forces respond with tear gas after the US President Donald Trump's supporters breached the US Capitol security.PROBAL RASHID/GETTY

Mainstream news publications are filled with howls of protest over political outrages by Republican leaders, who are reflecting the beliefs of the party mainstream. But the small newspapers in the rural, red-state areas that are the core of the Republican party's rank and file are giving voice to a simpler picture: Politics are dead; it's time to fight. "Wake up America!" reads a September opinion piece excoriating Democrats in The Gaston Gazette, based in Gastonia, N.C. "The enemy is at our gates, God willing it is not too late to turn back the rushing tide of this dark regime." The piece goes on to quote Thomas Paine's exhortation to colonists to take up arms against the British. "We are in a civil war," a letter published in September in The New Mexico Sun likewise warns Republicans, "between the traditional Americans and those who want to impose socialism in this country and thus obtain complete government control of its citizens."

Evidence that a significant portion of Republicans are increasingly likely to resort to violence against the government and political opponents is growing. More than 100 violent threats, many of them death threats, were leveled at poll workers and election officials in battleground states in 2020, according to an investigation by Reuters published in September—all those threat-makers whom Reuters could contact identified as Trump supporters. In October 2020, 13 men were charged with plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat; all of them were aligned with the political right. Nearly a third of Republicans agree that "true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country," according to a September poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, a non-partisan group. That's three times as many as the number of Democrats who felt the same way.

Guns are becoming an essential part of the equation. "Americans are increasingly wielding guns in public spaces, roused by persons they politically oppose or public decisions with which they disagree," concludes an August article in the Northwestern University Law Review. Guns were plentiful when hundreds of anti-COVID-precaution protestors gathered at the Michigan State Capitol in May 2020. Some of the armed protesters tried to enter the Capitol chamber.

Those who carry arms to a political protest may in theory have peaceful intentions, but there's plenty of reason to think otherwise. An October study from Everytown for Gun Safety and the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) looked at 560 protests involving armed participants over an 18-month period through mid-2021, and found that a sixth of them turned violent, and some involved fatalities.

One indication of how far Republicans may be willing to go in violently opposing the government is their sanguine reaction to the January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. Republicans by and large see no problem with a mob of hundreds swarming and forcing their way into the seat of American government. Half of Republicans said that the mob was "defending freedom," according to a CBS/YouGov poll taken just after the insurrection. Today two-thirds of Republicans have come to deny that it was an attack at all, according to an October survey by Quinnipiac University. "There's been little accountability for that insurrection," says UCLA's Winkler. "The right-wing rhetoric has only grown worse since then."

Most Republican leaders are circumspect when it comes to supporting violence against the government, but not all. Former Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, a controversial character who remains popular among many Republicans, reportedly told an enthusiastic gathering of Trump supporters in October that if and when a "serious" insurrection springs up, "there's very little you're going to be able to do about it."

 
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Ex-Army Generals Fear Insurrection or 'Civil War' in 2024

Georgia Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, another prominent Republican popular with the rank and file, opined that the January 6 insurrectionists were simply doing what the Declaration of Independence tells true patriots to do, in that they were trying to "overthrow tyrants." The real threat to democracy, she added, are Black Lives Matter protesters and Democratic "Marxist-communist" agents. Greene and Representative Madison Cawthorn, a Republican from North Carolina, have referred to some of the insurrectionists as "political prisoners."

Trump himself, of course, has nurtured a constant undercurrent of violence among his supporters from the beginning of his first presidential campaign. In 2016 he publicly stated he could shoot someone in the street without losing any of his political support, and he went on to encourage attendees at his rallies to assault protesters and journalists. When demonstrators at a rally in Miami were being dragged away, Trump warned that next time "I'll be a little more violent." At a 2016 rally in Las Vegas, he openly complained to the crowd that security wasn't being rough enough on a protester they were removing. "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you," he said.

Today Trump openly declares the January 6 rioters to be "great people." In October, he suggested that Republicans might not want to bother to vote in the 2022 or 2024 elections because of their concerns over fraud in the 2020 election. At the same time, he declared that he would achieve an "even more glorious victory in November of 2024." The notion that Republicans could turn their backs on voting booths while sweeping Trump to glory only makes sense if Trump envisions a path to taking power that doesn't require votes.

Republicans approve of that sort of talk. The October Quinnipiac poll found that while 94 percent of Democrats insist Trump is undermining democracy, 85 percent of Republicans say he's protecting it.

Where the Guns Are

In his acclaimed history of the early days of the American Revolution, "The British Are Coming," author Rick Atkinson explains one major reason why America became the first British colony to succeed in winning freedom, where others had failed. "Unlike the Irish and other subjugated peoples," he writes, "the Americans were heavily armed." Muskets, he points out, were "as common as kettles" among the colonists, and American riflemen were among the world's finest marksmen. That possession of and skill with guns, combined with the colonists' deep passion for ridding themselves of what they saw as government tyranny, would help carry the day against otherwise long odds.

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On display at a gun shop in Wendell, N.C., an AR-15 assault rifle manufactured by Core15 Rifle Systems.CHUCK LIDDY/GETTY

Today the many Republicans who have convinced themselves that they, too, must cast off a tyrannical government have plenty of guns. Americans own about 400 million guns, according to the Switzerland-based Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva. (The U.S. government doesn't track gun ownership.) The vast majority of those guns belong to Republicans. Gallup found that half of all Republicans own guns, nearly three times the rate of gun ownership as among Democrats. Gun owners are overwhelmingly male and white and are more likely to live in the rural south than anywhere else. Those demographics mesh neatly with the hard-core segment of the Republican party.

Gun sales have spiked wildly in the past two years. About 17 million people, or more than six percent of the population, bought 40 million guns in 2020 alone, according to research from Harvard and Northeastern Universities. Sales for 2021 are on track to add another 20 million to the total, according to gun-industry research firm Small Arms Analytics & Forecasting.

While there's data to suggest Democrats are stepping up their modest share of the gun-buying, recent history suggests that the great majority of these guns are going to Republicans. According to a 2017 Pew Research Center survey, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents were more than twice as likely to own a gun as their Democratic counterparts.

Former Iowa Representative Steve King, long known as someone unafraid to say out loud what many other Republicans are thinking, is confident that his party is better armed. "Folks keep talking about another civil war," he posted to Facebook in 2019. "One side has about 8 trillion bullets... Wonder who would win?"

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The impulse for violent insurrection among Republicans is getting some of its energy from the mostly Republican gun-rights movement, and vice-versa. That's a relatively new phenomenon. The right to own guns was long a passionate cause of conservatives, without ever posing much apparent threat to democracy. But that's changing fast.

In 2000, 60 percent of gun owners cited hunting as the reason they bought guns, according to a Gallup poll. Many of the rest listed "sport," which generally means target shooting. But by 2016, 63 percent were saying they bought guns for self-defense. That shift was brought on by growing paranoia about street crime and mob violence, a fear constantly pumped up on Fox and other right-wing media, which have long been conjuring up the notion that urban gangs and other trouble-makers are increasingly running rampant through suburbs and beyond.

Over the past four years those fears have been blurring into anti-government, pro-Trump, and in some cases white-supremacist movements. "We've seen the flourishing of a different view of gun rights, one that focuses on the necessity of owning guns in order to fight a tyrannical government," says Winkler. "The promotion of that idea has made it all the more likely that some people will come to see the government as a tyrannical one that needs to be overthrown." The resulting gun-rights-driven, anti-deep-state radicalism echoes throughout Republican-heavy social media and other communications channels.

The gun industry didn't create that conflation of gun ownership and an imminent patriotic armed uprising, but it has amplified it. A 2020 article on the website of AZ Big Media, Arizona's largest business-news publisher, advised readers this way: "If you're waiting to buy the firearm you've been eyeing for a while, now is the time. Don't wait until the presidential election. We don't know what's going to happen, but regardless of who is elected into office, the chaos and violence are likely to grow larger."

Palmetto State Armory, a gun-parts manufacturer and gun retailer out of Columbia, South Carolina, puts it this way on their website: "Our mission is to maximize freedom, not our profits. We want to sell as many AR-15 and AK-47 rifles as we can and put them into common use in America today," adding that doing so "safeguards the rights of the people against tyranny." A 2019 Drew University study noted that one out of four of gun manufacturers' most-viewed YouTube videos invoked patriotism. "There's a commercial interest feeding that sense of needing guns to defend against the government," says Risa Brooks, a political scientist at Marquette University.

The NRA also put out the notion that gun-control policies enacted by Nazis and aimed at Jews were a critical enabling element of the Holocaust. That claim has been thoroughly debunked by historians, but Ben Carson, Trump's secretary of housing and urban development, publicly tied gun control to the Holocaust. Texas Senator Ted Cruz has also explicitly linked gun rights to fending off federal menace, stating that guns "serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny." Trump himself hinted at the darkest of connections between gun ownership and taking down a Democrat-led government, proposing during his first presidential campaign that the "Second Amendment people" might be able to stop Hillary Clinton if she won.

How It Might Go Down

What might lead to large-scale armed threat or even violence around the 2024 elections? There may be only one narrow path to avoiding it: A comfortable, incontestable win by Trump, assuming he's the Republican candidate. Democrats might despair at the loss, but it's not likely that they will go into mass protests against what could be seen as a legitimate election win.

But if Trump loses, by any margin, and is unable to overturn the results through legal or political means, it seems likely Republicans will declare the election fraudulent. In 2020, the conviction—against all evidence—that Trump had the presidency stolen from him brought an insurrectionist mob to the U.S. Capitol. The mob was mostly unarmed, undoubtedly thanks to Washington D.C.'s strict gun-control laws.

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U.S. President Donald Trump (L) sits beside Executive Vice President and CEO of the National Rifle Association (NRA) Wayne LaPierre (R), during a meeting on Trump's Supreme Court nomination of Neil Gorsuch in the Roosevelt Room of the White House on February 1, 2017 in Washington, DC.MICHAEL REYNOLDS/GETTY
 

If Trump wins, but by a small margin that Democrats can attribute to Republican laws and tactics aimed at suppressing Democratic votes, massive protests around the country are inevitable. Democrats won't have to stretch their imaginations to make that claim: In 2021, 43 states proposed more than 250 laws limiting voting access. Georgia slashed the number of ballot boxes, a practice almost always aimed at communities with high percentages of minority residents. Iowa closed down most early voting. Arkansas upped the requirement for voter ID. And Utah made it easier to selectively purge voters from its lists.

If Trump loses on votes, but the loss is overturned by the actions of partisan state election officials, legislatures or governors in key battleground states, and that reversal is protected by a Republican Congress or the Supreme Court, protests are again inevitable. And again, that sort of reversal is far from implausible: There are 23 states where Republicans control both the legislature and the governorship, including several of the battleground states. In 2022 Republicans stand to gain control of three more key states—Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Any state controlled by one party is in a good position to try to overturn an election vote, as Trump and many Republicans urged state officials to do in 2020. "We've seen a trend of Republican governors and legislatures appointing party officials more willing to claim voter fraud, and giving themselves more power to undermine elections at a local level," says Hamilton College's De Bruin. For these and other reasons, America has been steadily dropping on the widely cited Freedom in the World ranking of countries by how democratic they are. The US has fallen from the company of large, Western European countries to end up today alongside Ghana and Mongolia.

Whatever the circumstances that might bring on large-scale protests from Democrats in 2024, their presence in the streets could bring out armed Republican counter-protesters bent on protecting Trump's nominal win and, in their minds, defending democracy against left-wing mobs. "It's a fair concern that If Trump called on them to come out and suppress the mobs, they might respond," says Lindsay Cohn, associate professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College.

Nieznany, the Vietnam vet, insists that if Democratic protests include any violence, as was the case with several Black Lives Matter protests in 2020 in mostly isolated instances, then right-wing counter-protesters will be justified in shooting. "Rocks, bottles and bricks can kill you as fast as a bullet will," he says. That's the sort of logic that in August 2020 brought Kyle Rittenhouse and his AR-15-style rifle to a Black Lives Matter protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, where he shot three protesters, killing two, claiming self-defense. A jury acquitted him of all charges.

Based on their actions at protests in recent years, police forces can be counted on for a strong response—against the Democratic protesters, that is. The ACLED found that the police used force in Black Lives Matter protests more than half the time but only a third of the time at right-wing demonstrations. In any case, few police forces are prepared to effectively come to grips with tens of thousands of armed protesters.

Enter the Military

If police can't or won't deal with an armed uprising, the last hope for a peaceful resolution would probably be the National Guard and military. Only the governor can call out the National Guard in a state, and only the president can deploy the military. To send in the military to quell disturbances on U.S. soil, the president must invoke the Insurrection Act, last used in 1992 by then-President George H. W. Bush to help restore order during the Los Angeles riots.

Joe Biden would likely still be president at the initiation of election-related violence, so if the National Guard were unable to quiet things down in one or more states—or if a governor refused to call in the Guard—it would fall squarely on Biden's shoulders to make that call. He wouldn't need any state government cooperation to do it. "It would be an entirely legitimate role for the American military in those circumstances," says Kori Schake, director of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

The National Guard or military would almost certainly prevail in shutting down the worst of the violence and protecting the government. But two key questions arise: Would military leadership accept Biden's orders to deploy against an armed uprising? And if it did, would the rank and file follow their commanders' orders to take up arms against fellow Americans whose motivations might resonate with many of their own?

The military leadership still feels chastened by the outcry after Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, accompanied Trump to a photo op across a Lafayette Square forcibly cleared of peaceful protesters in June 2020, says Brooks. "They're going to be reluctant to get involved," she says. "The military takes an oath to the Constitution, not to a particular president." Biden, too, is likely to see calling in the military as a last resort, she adds. But if the situation is dire, and Biden seems justified in making the call, the leadership will comply, whatever their misgivings, she says.

As for the possibility that the Guard or military rank and file might refuse to follow orders to take up arms against armed Trump supporters, the Naval War College's Cohn deems it unlikely. "There isn't a ton of evidence that the rank and file are solidly behind Trump," she says. "But whatever their beliefs, they're highly professional. No more than a tiny percentage would refuse."

She points out that Trump worked hard to align himself with the rank and file, even while distancing himself from military leadership. And yet there was little sign of overt support from the rank and file when Trump was trying to whip up mobs in January to support his baseless claims of election fraud—even though former Trump National Security Advisor and retired Army General Michael Flynn was at the same time openly calling for the military to take control of the government.

Absent a strong response from some combination of police, National Guard and military, it's easy to see how Republicans would be in a position to essentially take control of the country simply by virtue of their massive arsenal. "Both sides might be equally convinced of the illegitimacy of the other's actions," says Winkler. "What's asymmetric is the capability to inflict violence."

Let's hope it doesn't come to that, and that there's a relatively peaceful resolution to what's likely to be a contentious, hotly disputed election. But that result isn't assured. And even if any conflict ends quietly before it gets too far, experiencing a near-miss might leave our already fragile democracy more weakened and vulnerable. It's hard to say what it would take to repair it.

Nieznany may speak for millions when he insists it's too late. "There are too many of us ready to give our lives to take the country back," he says. "We need a civil war."



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