You only hear the facts approved by big money backed "science"

Remember what Churchill said about "perverted science" vis a vis the Nazis..

Yes science can be "perverted"

And in a culture raised on "scientism"-- thr belief empirical science is the most reliable test of truth. -and is self correcting through the scientific method -- you often appear to be a victim of the false assumption.

Human nature, and human vices corrupt "science" ( scientific research ) regularly. Modern history is replete with examples. Covid Political Correctness is the "Pilt-Down Man" hoax of our time. The strange thing is, flat earthera will be flat earthers, regardless of the demonstrable facts. 

You need to be reprogrammed -- and a whole lot more skeptical, Buddha 

The "mind control" is especially strong with you.

Jist sayin

-SS

Does that mean we reject all studies that don't agree with the outcome someone likes?

What about studies that combine multiple studies, from different sources, different countries, from academic instituations, etc?

Studies are also "peer-reviewed" to make sure the results are verifiable.

I've said it before and i"ll stay it again..White-washing and broad brush strokes don't enhance our understanding of anything.

If there is a specific study that you would like to discuss, that you think is biased, let's talk about it. Rather than saying "Vaccine makers have a profit motive", it's also possible that they ALSO provide good.

When you have multiple, independent studies pointing to the same thing, with peer-review, then the conclusion starts to become "It's probably true". 

https://rumble.com/vno73b-the-hidden-story-of-ivermectin-more-powerful-than-you-realize.html

30 peer reviewed studies. Still a believer in the singular effecacy of these dangerous experimental vaccines Buddha? 

A few thoughts:

I agree with what he says about Vitamin-D - Many doctors and specialists have stated that Vitamin D both prevents and lessens the severity of Covid. I have been taking it for quite some time

Second, one of the issues is that so many "quackery" things came out during covid, one in particular pushed by Trump: Hydroxychloriquine. IT was proven time and time again, with studies, from multiple countries, that not only was Hydtoxychloriquine not effective, but it actually hurt many patients. Further to that, his own health advisors told him to stop pushing it as a cure or even an adjunct therapy. Trump kept doubling down on it based on something he had read. This created a culture to be very weary of alternative therapies.

One of the things they mentioned in the video, about Ivermectin, is in Vitro, it inhibits Sars-Covd2. Basically, in a test tube. Science has proven that in-vitro results do not always equate to results in the body.

That said, there does seem to be some potentially compelling evidence that Ivermectin may be effective both in prevention and in treatment of Covid. 

So, I did a little of my own research and found that YES, Studies do show that Ivermctin IS useful in preventing the onset and severe Covid:

This is from the American Jounral of Therapeutics. Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infectio... : American Journal of Therapeutics (lww.com)

So, there is no conspiracy here. American Journals are saying that it works. In fact, this journal took mutiple studies throughout the world, of different sources, and coalated the results (As I had mentioned earlier...take multiple studies and see what happens). 

The link I gave you even shows the study and its source of funding...Which is great so that you can, if you want, see if there is a potential bias.

Findings? Ivermectin reduced death by an average of 62%.

What's more interesting is that Ivermectin reduces the risk of infection by 86%.

So, I concur that this is a useful regiment in the prevention and treatment of covid.

Thank you. 
now the question: Why, when confronted with compelling scientific evidence and peer reviewed studies, is the left wing establishment disinforming the masses...

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the fact they are pushing vaccines as the only effective therapusis for COVID is CRIMINAL. Ivermectin has literally been used to stop COVID infection in its tracks, right up through stage three infection. Jetsheeps brother in law for example didn't need to die. Neither did my friend of 50 years .

while Crowbot mocked Ivermectin as " horse pills" people in India used it to stop a deadly outbreak, a true pandemic. I spoke with a Colombian cab driver in Miami last week-- he got COVID, they treated it with ivermectin -- full recovery and NATURAL ( cell mediated)  Immunity 

You spoke of NYC and blamed Trump. The fact is Gov Coumo put the old folks in with covid infected people.. they died like flies. Trump had a hospital ship in the bay, not used.

Congress has been briefed on ivermectin, they refused to entrtian the facts. CNN breathlessly pushes booster shots, which in Europe are bein dispensed every four months, with draconian restrictions on the "unvaccinated"

Tell me Buddha, how much evidence do you need to smell a rat??

your polemic about Trumps " not taking COVID seriously is nonsense. He shut down immigration/ travel from China early on while the left screamed "racism"... now millions of illegals stream across the border and aren't tested for COVID -- how can you wring your hands about Trump in light of the fact Biden is spreading both disinformation and the virus faster than it can mutate?

"let's go Brandon"

You better pick a better reason to still support this colossal mistake you made, actually voting for this guy.

I'll take up the issue of inflation in a separate thread

--SS

There are rats on both sides of the equation Shooty

Anti-Vax right and We are going to die if we don't get vaccinated left.

I personally would NOT want to be taking ivermectin every single day to prevent a virus. I had to take ivermectin one time when I contracted Scabies from a B&B in Europe. The regular permethrin cream did not work. 

Putting a pull in your body every day, for 2+years to prevent covid as opposed to a few shots where the spike proteins disappear within days... 

The cost to continue to make those pills and supply 5 billion people vers 2 or 3 shots, which are much cheaper to make, likely safer profile. Plus, i don't know if there are any studies to show what taking ivermectin every day for months or years can and will do to the body. Ivermetctin, in my case, was used for scabies. I recall, from taking it, that it also treats river blindness.

Why would you want to keep on putting a pill in your body, day after day after day, when you can get a vaccine that billions of people have taken. Yes, there are adverse side-effects with both ivermectin and vaccines, however it appears the vaccine side effects are very rare and happen within the first two weeks. 

What will happen after someone takes ivermctin for 6 months? For a year? Constantly putting a chemical in your body day after day?

Where is your proof that Ivermectin has adverse side effects

Serious Neurological Adverse Events after Ivermectin—Do They Occur beyond the Indication of Onchocerciasis? (nih.gov)

here's the problem - they don't know whether it was the ivermectin, the Onchocerciasis volvulus, or the combination of two, that were causing issues.

The major problem is there don't appear to be ANY studies using ivermectin long-term. In other words, it's used to treat river blindness, scabies, and a few other infections. My point is, if you put this substance in your body and the chemical is in you constantly, 24x7, for an extended period of time, the results are compeltely unknown. Unlike the vaccine that is completely out of your body in 2 weeks...And there have been billions of doses given. 

Here are side effects for Ivermectin:

Covid shot side effects include death and/or permanent health issues.

Why do you ignore those side effects?

You wouldn't have gotten the shot if Trump was POTUS.

Yet you will continue to get boosters until these morons say otherwise.

Natural immunity really does work.

But I'm not as smart as you, so I know you will ignore this

There is published data as to adverse reactions of all the vaccines, whether they be vector or mRNA based. Yes, a very small percentage have an initial adverse reaction to all the vaccines.

The vaccine also leaves your body very quickly. It's not like you have a chemical that's circulating in your body 24x7 for a year. Do you want to be a guinnea pig and see how an anti-parasitic drug treats your body in your cells and in your blood and tissue 24x7?

I'd rather get a vaccine, build my own immunity, and let mother nature take care of the rest. Not sure who on earth would want to put a chemical in their body every single day, knowing there is little to no data about having this chemical in your would affect you.

We have billions of shots out there in the world and understand the risk profile and long term effecfts of all the vaccines. We have zero data bout taking ivermectin every single day.

You think that's less of a risk than a vaccine?

Again, you don't need to take Ivermecktin every day-- only if you get sick or exposed. k noon exposure) 

you are thinking of the vaccine-- but you're definitely wrong about MRNA based vaccines leaving the body" they infectveveryvscell to produce spike proteins which do affect vital organs adversely-- not to mention unknown long term potential side effects 

ivermectin, as you mentioned , has a preventive effect equal or better than the vaccines in general, a thirty year track record; and is widely available-

why won't Biden promote it.

You are missing the point completely Shooty --

Are you saying people should be taking Ivermectin every day, prophylactally? If that's what you're saying, every single health professional or nearly every sane one would astoundingly disagree with you.

You are advocating that we put a chemical in us 24x7 that we have ZERO long term data how it affects the entire body. 

You are latching onto conspiracy theories about vaccines. 

Frist, it does NOT alter your DNA. That's a right wing lie and conspiracy theory

Second, every single Covid vaccine creates spike proteins. EVERY SINGLE ONE. The difference is HOW the spike proteins are made. mRNA enables your body to make it. Other vaccines introduce the spike proteins on their own. 

We have been giving vaccines for decades now and there is zero proof that the introduction of spike protieins causes any harm to the body. All Covid Vaccines create spike proteins in the body... The Vector based vaccines introduce them through the injection and the mRNA trains your body to manufacture them for a brief time. 

The scientific community has overwhelmingly agreed that they are harmless... Your theories that you are getting from, I'm not sure what sources, are just those. Theories. No proof. You are making a supposition.

Are we debating suppositions now?

No I am not saying you need to take Ivermectin every day

ive said that three times now,

you take it whe you show symptoms

or if known exposure ( prevents infection) 

if you get infected you will develop natural immunity. The problem is, some people progress

so vaccines 
(and Ivermectin too)

can be used to prevent the viral replication that results in severe infections.

the problems with the vaccines are

MRNA  is introduced to your genes in every cell of your body

traditional vaccines don't do that, they provide the proteins the body reacts to

they don't use your cells to produce them-- that has caused side effects in many people

most notably myocardia

long term,who knows. 

one thing is becoming clear however

Dr Fauci and the boys want you to take those booster shots forever

i object to that for the same reason you wouldn't want to take ivermectin everybday

the truth is you DONT need to take ivermection every day

so keep taking those boosters Buddha

they finally found a way to make everyone take a flu shot

reset the global economy

imposed control and cull the herd of the "surplus'population"

all for fun and profit!

I wholeheartedly disagree when it comes to anything but Omicron...And Omicron is not the only variant out there.

I just found out that a high school friend is in the hospital with Covid right now. He's not on a vent, but I'm guessing he probably didn't get Omicron.

My point is that it's proven, beyond any doubt, that vaccines also lower the viral load and the time that someone is shedding the virus. Why get to the point that you are sick to go take a medication when you can prevent severe illness to start out with.

There's another hole in your theory. Do you know if Ivermectin prevents long-haul syndrome?

We know too little about ivermectin to replace vaccination. 

It's worth evaluating, i'll give you that, but ensuring people have ready access to ivermectin, and understanding what it does a little better will help the equation a bit.

Anaphalactic shock, perhaps.

Stay with the facts, you will be much more credible 

https://finchannel.com/how-many-people-died-after-covid-19-vaccination/

I case you don't read it, that is 9,810 deaths!

"A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."

None.

245,278,019 Covid vaccinations administered.

American population 333,934,783; of which 58,805,186 have been infected and 853,612 dead.

17.61% of Americans have been infected. Perhaps more as some are asymptomatic and some don't bother to be tested- there's no effective treatement, so if you're infected , why bother?

Of the number vaccinated and at 17.61% rate of infections, one would have expected 43,193,100 infections.

Presently 1.456% of Covid infections are fatal. Without vaccinations that would be 628,892 more deaths.

Which is the higher number of deaths: the 9810 yoou propose died dierctly from the Covid vax or the 628,892 that would have died without the covid vaccination?

Whatever. The CDC Covid-19 VAER site reports

Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

Versus-

United States Coronavirus Cases: 58,805,186

Deaths: 853,612

9 deaths of Covid-19 vax or 853,612 dead ov Covid-19

No Buddha, 

yiu don't take Ivermectin every day.. only if showing symptoms or as a prophylaxis if living with someone who catches it.

My wife tested positive today. I had to quarantine and stay home from work for the next 5 days. In the meantime she took ivermectin and has quickly recovered. I'm taking it now, for the next five days.

NATURAL IMMUNITY Buddha 

no booster shots, no gene therapy, no side effects. The fact you keep taking booster shots has possible side effects too.. and now you'll need to KEEP taking them. 

FOLLOW the Money.

Too bad I can't seem to get you to see how ridiculous this guy Brandon is, concerning all the things you fear and value. 
But that's the mind- control they foster on the left

(for everyone else they have "mandates"...and GULAGS?...)

--SS

Explain to me where "Gene Therapy" comes in, with regards to the vaccines...

Looks like everybody is getting Omicron. I just barely made the cutoff for quarantine to go to training tomorrow, but i have to wear a mask for the next 5 days.

Ah okay, i see your point about only using it periodically. 

What kind of symptoms does your wife have?

She probably got Omni crayon UR infection, temp, fatique- she is normally such high energy right now she appears normal energy wise. I have no symptoms, and Ivermection combined with Vitamin D and natural oils -- I'm lucky to have some medical expertise in my family,,, 

I am worried about you Buddha, the need to have booster shots every few months means when you stop taking them, you have no natural immunity ... or you will be a Phizer clone forever-- side effects unknown -- same objection you had concerning taking ivermectin forever ( which is unnecessary) 

I don't think you understand how immunity works Shooty.

I didn't understand either, so I spoke to a close friend of mine who is an infectious disease specialist. 

First, there are many types of immunity. 

A vaccine is created to "train" the body to react to one of several parts of a virus. Sometimes it can be a toxin that is produced, or in the case of Covid, the spike protein.

It simply trains the body to recognize some aspect of the virus; that's the leukocytic immune system. It has a memory, either through a vaccine, or from having "seen the actual virus" before, to mount an attack when it sees the foreign antigen.

What's more, most people think of the antibody response from a vaccine. A UPENN study shows the mRAN vaccine also trains the T-Cells to mount a very heavy response to the virus; teh T-cells are the armor of our immune system.

You're not taking from one one pot to help another pot. These are all debunked theories. In the last 2 years, i have not even gotten a cold. I'd say my immune system is pretty good. I never even tested positive for Covid this past weekend, but I had a headache and was fatigued. Not sure if my system just never sero-converted and was busy fighting the onslaught of covud ... My friend did test positive. That said, he was coughing a lung and I was fine after 48 hours.

How Vaccines Work - The NeedyMeds Blog

Good article on vaccines and the immune system 

It simply trains the body to recognize some aspect of the virus; 

Exactly, this is what I've been trying to tell you. Problem there is that now your body can only fight those strains the body was trianed to fight through the covid shot limiting it's ability to fight other strains.

If this was so cut & dry, why are there so mant experts that disagree with the shot? And again, many have been banned from facebook, twitter, and many other social media sites calling it misinformation.

All the information should be made available and let each and every person decide for themselves what to believe, and what not to. Forcing people isnot the answer.

The unvaccinated are not the problem here. Hospitalizations / deaths are there from vaxxed as well.

What's going to happen is when this chinese flu subsides like it would have regardless of this shot. The CDC, FDA, Biden, and a whole list of groupies are going to claim their plan worked. And that they saved the world.

And of course that Trump almost killed half this countries population. But shark is right budha, you are the slave to the shot man now. Your body will crave that venom forever.

But, it was a choice. Which is what it should be. I certainly don't criticize anyone for getting it. But I also don't want to hear any criticism for not getting it either.

Ask India how it works

Ask Joe Rogan

Ask a million others that have used it to not only battle the covid but prevent it

Ask the FDA, the body that approves medical treatments.  

"Ivermectin is not FDA approved to treat COVID-19 patients. Ivermectin should only be used in patients for COVID-19 treatment in a research setting, as part of a clinical trial."

One can use peanut butter to treat Covid 19, if you wish. That has not proven efficacious nor is it an FDA approved treatment.