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Msg ID: 2716838 If I can't be president I'll burn this country Down +1/-2     
Author:Klip Klop
1/13/2022 9:34:24 AM

Those are the actions, not direct words, of Trump.

Leaders accept defeat for the good of the country. Trump is anything but patriotic. He'd rather burn the country down than accept defeat.




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Msg ID: 2716844 They maybe right! This country may need it! +1/-1     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 10:34:38 AM

Reply to: 2716838

The truth is those are not even his actions, they are more the actions of the left.

Not one protester from the right has put a match to anything! That would be the left.

Of course the statement is like a metaphor.  But I do believe you have it backwards.

Most Americans believe Trump won, Most Americans believe the election was a fraud.  Even after believing the election was a fraud, Americans even accepted the outcome, but still a large percentage object.  Many states just sue this administration as it makes executive letters.  Some states just flat out ignore what Biden wants.  He is not respected and considered a joke.  I think he has the worst rateing of any modern US leader.  Every thing he as done has been a complete failure, everything.  Everything is getting worse, everything.

 

 

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2716845 People like you +1/-3     
Author:Klip Klop
1/13/2022 10:38:29 AM

Reply to: 2716844

Most people know Trump lost. Forget about what you believe. 

People in his own party even admit he lost. Where did your wires get crossed? 

If "most of the people in this country believed he won", then his entire party would stand behind him. They don't. In fact his VEEP and major people in the party all admit he lost. Why is this concept so foreign to you.



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Msg ID: 2716849 People like you +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:05:40 AM

Reply to: 2716845

The last poll take shows over 60 of te voter think the election was crooked 

That poll was posted on this site!

If you believe that the election was conducted inaccoding to the constitution, then you do not understand the cnstion.

 



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Msg ID: 2716846 Incredible +0/-2     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 10:49:50 AM

Reply to: 2716844

I am amazed at how you are unable to logically think this through.

1) The VP said Biden won fair and square

2) The Former senate majority leader said Biden won fair and square

3) 70+ Judges, many republicans, all said there was no proof of widespread fraud

4) Multiple Audits, even paid for by trump supporters, have also said there was no fraud

5) Trump's own Election Czar said it was a fair election and Trump lost

6) Trump was caught trying to threaten Georgia to "find votes"

7) Multiple Republican congressmen and senators have all called Trump's assertions "The Big Lie" and agree that Trump lost fair and square

8) Trump's justice department said "There was no evidence of fraud that would change the outcome"

Old guy, there has to be something wrong with you not to take ALL this information in. All the evidence. All the facts, all the people even in Trump's party who continue to tell you "TRUMP LOST"

Trump Lost fair and square. ALL the evidence points to it.

If there was ANY Credible evidence, why does Trump not take it to court?

I ask you again ... If there was a shred of any credible evidence, why does Trump not take it to court?

Pence rebukes Trump and says he was ‘proud’ to certify election result...

Pence rebukes Trump and says he was ‘proud’ to certify election result | Mike Pence | The Guardian

Think about that ....



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Msg ID: 2716851 Most of your points are lies! (NT) +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:08:13 AM

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Msg ID: 2716856 Is that all you can do? +0/-2     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:24:47 AM

Reply to: 2716851

You act exactly like Trump ... Exactly

Please tell me which of mine are "lies"

Old guy, you are either uninformed or just a serial liar like Trump. Which one is it?

Every single statemetn I made there is 100% accurate

Please show me otherwise...



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Msg ID: 2716853 (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:16:08 AM

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Msg ID: 2716857 Look at your first point. +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:25:35 AM

Reply to: 2716846

Pence did not have the authority to change the election.

Pence has never said Biden won fair and square, never!  That is fake.

Pence has said the election was divisive, he has made NO claim it was fair!



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Msg ID: 2716861 Look at your first point. +0/-2     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:41:40 AM

Reply to: 2716857

Hear Mike Pence call attempt to decertify election 'un-American' - YouTube

 



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Msg ID: 2716866 Look at your first point. +1/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:47:04 AM

Reply to: 2716861

He never sad the election was fair!



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Msg ID: 2716859 Point 3 +3/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:38:00 AM

Reply to: 2716846

Some Judges has stated about no widespread fraud, but not 70 and none that completely investigated the evidence.

we could post back and forth about this point, but we all know that evidence never got it's day in court.



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Msg ID: 2716862 Point 3 +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:43:51 AM

Reply to: 2716859

Every Single Judge Said "No Go" ... 

"No Proof"

You want to point out a single judge who found merit with any of the evidence?

Any reason Trump lost every single case?

Zero Judges ... None beleived any evidence shows any fraud.

This country is built on laws. Forget about that little detail?



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Msg ID: 2716860 Point 4 +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:41:04 AM

Reply to: 2716846

That is a lie!

Even the Arizona audit has listed over 200,00 improper votes!



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Msg ID: 2716864 Point 4 +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:45:23 AM

Reply to: 2716860

Please state your sources...

The Audit showed a Net Positive for Biden..

Arizona audit: Senate confirms Biden win, but more review to come (usatoday.com)

Wrong again Old guy

 



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Msg ID: 2716879 Point 4 +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 12:17:08 PM

Reply to: 2716864

Did you read the audit, NO ! You did not.

The audit explaedit had not authorization to clam a winner.  It had over 200,000 votes it claimed were in question.  It did say that as cited Biden we, but the votes in qesion needed be resolved.



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Msg ID: 2716863 Point 5 +0/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:44:59 AM

Reply to: 2716846

Krebs did say that



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Msg ID: 2716867 And Bill Barr said "No evidence of any widespread fraud" (NT) +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:47:15 AM

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Msg ID: 2716868 Point 6 +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:48:04 AM

Reply to: 2716846

Is fake news, totally a opinion by some.



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Msg ID: 2716869 Really? +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:49:22 AM

Reply to: 2716868

They recorded calls ...

And there is a criminal investigation into it right now. 

Georgia DA investigating Trump close to decision | 11alive.com

 



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Msg ID: 2716870 Bill Barr +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:50:02 AM

Reply to: 2716868

Georgia DA investigating Trump close to decision | 11alive.com

His own loyal AG says "NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD"

Why would AG Bill Barr say "No Evidence of Fraud" ...

 



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Msg ID: 2716872 Point 7 +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:51:33 AM

Reply to: 2716846

In a push to try and improve relations some have voice that, trying to get along.

Does not mean it was a fair election.



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Msg ID: 2716873 Point 7 +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 11:54:04 AM

Reply to: 2716872

Oh perhaps they truly believe what they are saying?

So now, you can read their mind and believe that they are lying just to get along? 

Old guy, do you not understand that Trump is manipulating you and others on a level unprescedented in human history? More evidence will continue to pile in to support that Trump knew full well that he lost...I don't even know if you hear it from his own lips if you'll actually believe it

 



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Msg ID: 2716874 Point 8 +2/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 11:54:20 AM

Reply to: 2716846

Thte was NO investigation for anyone from the Justice department to make that determination!



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Msg ID: 2716885 Then is Bill Barr lying? +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 12:30:14 PM

Reply to: 2716874

Some quotes from Barr:

“My attitude was: It was put-up or shut-up time,” Barr said. “If there was evidence of fraud, I had no motive to suppress it. But my suspicion all the way along was that there was nothing there."

After the 2020 election, the Justice Department launched investigations into widespread voter fraud across the country in key battleground states.

 

In the aftermath, he launched his own informal inquiries into the most popular claims made by Trump's close allies, alongside the DOJ's official investigations.

Asked by Trump why he would tell the AP that there was no fraud in the election, Barr replied "because it’s true.” The conversation continued with Trump referring to himself in the third person, telling Barr: “You must hate Trump. You must hate Trump.”

 

“You know, you only have five weeks, Mr. President, after an election to make legal challenges,” Barr told Trump. “This would have taken a crackerjack team with a really coherent and disciplined strategy. Instead, you have a clown show. No self-respecting lawyer is going anywhere near it. It’s just a joke. That’s why you are where you are.”



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Msg ID: 2716896 Point 8 +0/-0     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 2:03:31 PM

Reply to: 2716874

Former President Donald Trump pressured acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to declare that the election was corrupt in an attempt to help Republican members of Congress try to overturn the election result, according to notes of a December 2020 call Trump held with Rosen and acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue.

During the December 27, 2020, call, Trump pressured Rosen and Donoghue to falsely declare the election "illegal" and "corrupt" even after the Justice Department had not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud.
"Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen," Trump said on the call, according to Donoghue's notes.
Donoghue's contemporaneous notes were provided to the House Oversight Committee from call the Trump held with Rosen and Donoghue, who took over the top spots at DOJ in the final weeks of Trump's presidency following the resignation of Attorney General William Barr.


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Msg ID: 2716878 Last +3/-0     
Author:Old Guy
1/13/2022 12:09:17 PM

Reply to: 2716846

I do not understand why you can not accept that a majority of the people believe the election was crooked.

you can't view the facts that happened election night and believe it was all good!  Most expletive don't!

Get over it, by total failure of our election system, Biden is in the big chair.

Just hope we still have a country when he is gone!



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Msg ID: 2716897 Last +0/-3     
Author:bladeslap
1/13/2022 2:10:50 PM

Reply to: 2716878

Here's the most recent poll 

33% think it was not legitimate - That's the trump support base. The rest are either unsure or don't believe it

So, you mentioned "Most people believe it was crooked"?

Wrong

 

 



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