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Msg ID: 2721494 I think Putin has overplayed his hand. +0/-0     
Author:TheCrow
2/25/2022 1:29:17 PM

I think Putin has overplayed his hand. The correct response to Ukraine was to hold it closer, enrich it with more trade, make the West look less inviting and Ukraine resistance would shrink. Nothing persuades as well as mutual fat wallets.

Open aggression doesn't "play well" to the home audience. The most determined propaganda is eventually breached unless you can "Hermit Kingdom" like North Korea. Impossible in Ukraine with so much border to the West.

Biden won this one. Even if Russia doesn't withdraw, their leaders are revealed in their belief that they are entitled to whatever they can steal. With a theft as brazen as this was, what are they stealing that they don't want revealed?

No wonder Trump is a Putin fangirl.

 

The Real Reasons Putin Feels Threatened by NATO

Here’s what was missed by the foreign policy ‘realists’ who made the case against enlarging the alliance.
 
FEBRUARY 25, 2022 5:30 AM
The Real Reasons Putin Feels Threatened by NATO
24 February 2022, Berlin: A bird sits on the pipe of a historic Russian tank at the memorial to more than 2,000 Soviet soldiers killed in the fighting for Berlin in April and May 1945. Russian troops attacked Ukraine in the morning. Photo: Kay Nietfeld/dpa (Photo by Kay Nietfeld/picture alliance via Getty Images)

The most prominent pretext Vladimir Putin has used for his full-scale invasion of Ukraine is the NATO membership promised to Ukraine and Georgia in 2008. Putin has said again and again that NATO is a threat to Russia, and demanded, in December and again in his pre-war ultimatum this week, that the alliance roll back its troops to where they were in 1997, two years before NATO expanded to Central Europe. In this, he is in a way supported by some respected American foreign policy commentators—Tom Friedman, John Mearsheimer, and others—who have dusted off their mid-’90s realist arguments against enlarging NATO, and are claiming vindication today. To support his case, Friedman recently referenced the late George Kennan’s well-known opposition to accepting new members into the alliance, quoting things Kennan told him back in 1998. None of these critics, of course, approves of Russia’s aggression, but there is an I-told-you-so element to their argument.

Here is why they are wrong.

Putin is correct when he says NATO is a danger to him, but not in the way you think. Putin knows that NATO does not pose a military threat to Moscow. He has the same information about NATO tanks, armored vehicles, missiles, and troops in Europe as we all do. He knows that NATO is a defensive alliance that would never attack his country unprovoked. He opposed NATO for the same reason he opposed deploying U.S. antimissile defenses in Central Europe 15 years ago: He knew well then they were not aimed at Russia, but were to defend the continent from an attack by at most several ballistic missiles coming from the Middle East, for example from Iran or a rogue terrorist group. Nothing will protect Europe from a massive Russian missile attack. But Putin opposed the stationing of the tracking radar and kinetic missiles in the Czech Republic and Poland because he did not want to have any U.S. military installations there.

Why, then, did Putin oppose the antimissile defenses if he knew they were not a military threat? Because they were a political threat. When a country gets a U.S. military base on its territory, it will not have a Russian base there. Putin rejects NATO in Central and Eastern Europe because he himself wants to be there—in some cases directly, such as now in Ukraine, and later possibly in the Baltics; in other cases indirectly, like in the Czech Republic or Hungary, by bribing local politicians, spreading his economic influence and covert intelligence operations. These things are much harder to do in a NATO member state than in a Finlandized zone of “neutrality.”

Another well-known reason for Putin’s attack is his fear that Ukraine might have evolved into a stable, prosperous democracy and as such would be a role model for the pro-Western democratic opposition in Russia. He acts now based on what to him is a rational calculation of his own interests in his own political survival: He does not want to end up in prison, or even blindfolded standing against a brick wall.

What foreign policy realists do not understand—or do not want to understand—is that even if NATO had not been enlarged to include countries in Central and Eastern Europe, there would be a very good chance that Putin would still behave the way he does today. There would be one difference—his political playground in Central Europe would be larger than it is today. Corruption would be an order of magnitude higher, instability would deter foreign investment, and the living standard of citizens of Warsaw, Prague, Vilnius, Bratislava, and Budapest, which is now close to Western standards (the Czechs are richer than the Spaniards and the Portuguese, and are quickly catching up to the Italians), would have been significantly lower, essentially similar to today’s Ukraine, which never got the chance to integrate with Europe.

NATO and EU enlargement have been the most successful European policies in the last three decades. The lives of the hundred million people in the former Communist states now in NATO and EU have been—despite the current difficulties—immensely improved. If we heeded the “realists” and decided “not to poke the sleeping Russian bear,” as they liked to say, and had not enlarged NATO, which provides for security, stability, and therefore also prosperity, the lives of the hundred million would have been much worse. And in exchange for what exactly? For the hope that Russia would successfully transition, ditch its historically entrenched imperialist expansionism, and become more Western? Does that sound realistic to you?

Foreign policy realists have a formula that relies overly on power and interests, and neglects values, especially human rights, civic freedoms, democracy, the industriousness of a nation, and above all human dignity. They also neglect the importance of institutions that embody values. But it is precisely these values and institutions that in the long run determine a country’s success or failure and its behavior on international stage. We must look at each foreign policy situation differently and not apply a cookie-cutter formula of interest and power and little else.

I shudder when I see Russian fighter jets over Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol, and Ukraine’s other great cities—and I imagine what might happen if my country, the Czech Republic, were not in the alliance. It is the stuff of nightmares.

I am reminded, too, of a historical hypothetical. When the fighting in Europe during the Second World War was coming to an end in early May 1945, the U.S. Army entered Czechoslovakia from the West and liberated the town of Pilsen. Prague was then in the middle of anti-Nazi uprising and was calling for help. Gen. George C. Patton wanted to forge ahead but was made to stop by Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, the Supreme Allied Commander. The Americans had an agreement with Stalin that the Soviet Army, and not Western allies, would enter Prague, which indeed happened on May 9, but by then Prague had essentially liberated itself (with the help of the anti-Stalin army of General Vlasov). The fact that it was the Red Army that entered Prague sealed the fate of Czechoslovakia as a future Communist state. Who knows what would have happened if Patton had disobeyed orders and liberated Prague on May 3 or 4? Perhaps Czechoslovakia would have stayed democratic and free-market like Austria, perhaps not. But I am sure grateful that the hypothetical equation of the 1990s was solved correctly, and NATO did expand to include my homeland. To enlarge the sphere of stability and prosperity when it was possible, when Russia was weak and too self-absorbed to be a factor, as much as it was possible, that was the most realistic course of action.

Tomáš Klvaňa

Tomáš Klvaňa is a former press secretary and policy adviser to the president of the Czech Republic and visiting professor at New York University Prague.


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Msg ID: 2721498 I think Putin has overplayed his hand. +0/-0     
Author:TheCrow
2/25/2022 2:04:21 PM

Reply to: 2721494

You may think Biden underplayed our hand. It's best to start slow and accelerate, increase force until your goal is achieved. Putin 'got' Ukraine but he's going to pay way over market.

That's our challenge, not to get sucked into Putin's game. Yes, we've lost the initiative. If and when sanctions bite, that win is going to get expensive. Especially to an already shrinking economy, as both Russia's and the Ukraine's are.


 

The first rule of robbery- take from the rich.

What does Putin gain? His new 'territory' is a smaller, poorer than Russias. 

Has he breached the West's border, achieved a salient, or is this flanked and vulnerable on 3 or 4 sides? 

 

Reality Is a Tank

Vladimir Putin has been clear-eyed about the world. We're the ones who lost touch with reality.

Jonathan V. Last

A serviceman of a motor rifle unit of the Russian Southern Military District is seen on a T-72B3 tank of the tank force of the Russian Western Military District as he takes part in a cross country driving exercise at Kadamovsky Range. Erik Romanenko/TASS (Photo by Erik RomanenkoTASS via Getty Images)

1. Putin Is Winning

There’s a lot of “OMG Putin is a madman how could he do this!” today. Here is the single most daft expression I’ve seen from a serious person:

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Carl Bildt

@carlbildt

If I compare with his speech in March 2014 when he 🇷🇺 annexed Crimea this was far more rambling, all-over-the-place and unhinged. And also more dangerous. Now he questions the very existence of 🇺🇦 as a nation. It’s a man with immense power who’s lost contact with reality.

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Carl Bildt was once the prime minister of Sweden, the head of a sovereign state. And he is a fool. Because Vladimir Putin is firmly in touch with “reality.” It is men and women like Bildt, who believe that the international order is secured by pen and ink, who have been living in a fantasy land. They have spent a generation inviting catastrophe into their sitting rooms.

They watched Putin jail and destroy Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the richest man in Russia.

They watched Putin assassinate dissidents on the ground in NATO countries.

They watched Putin’s army commit war crimes in Chechnya.

They watched his 2007 Munich speech in which he literally said, out loud, that he wanted to roll back the Westernization of Eastern Europe and restore Russia’s dominance.

They watched the invasions of Georgia and then Ukraine.

 

In response these same men and women decommissioned nuclear power plants in Europe and built gas pipelines to Russia so that they could have good feelings about “environmentalism” while also pocketing economic windfalls.

They crossed their fingers and closed their eyes.

You tell me who “lost contact with reality.”

 

And it’s not just the lotus-eating Europeans. George W. Bush and Barack Obama both got rolled by Putin. Donald Trump was practically Putin’s gofer.

Our presidents were not alone. Much of Conservatism Inc. has become functionally pro-Russia. And much of the American foreign policy establishment decided that it could live in whatever reality it preferred. Their signal accomplishment was killing America’s two-war doctrine.

Here is a typical news report from 2010:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates's efforts to focus the Defense Department on the wars at hand – not the ones being waged in the minds of futurists fixated on China or Russia – is the guiding principle behind a new strategic document that sets the Pentagon’s priorities for the next several years.

Those silly futurists. Fixated on the prospective threats of China or Russia.

Here is Paul Miller with a representative attack on two-war doctrine two years later:

Since World War II, U.S. military planners have argued that we need to fight two major theater wars at the same time. The two-war doctrine has become something like Holy Writ or an idée fixe. The idea was somewhat well-founded during the Cold War when we plausibly could have faced simultaneous crises in, for example, Germany and Korea, or Germany and Cuba.

However, holding onto this idea for the last twenty years has looked increasingly disconnected from reality. Obama’s new strategy goes through contortions to claim that we will, sort of, maybe, continue to be able to almost fight and nearly win two wars at the same time. But it fails, like every defense strategy has for two decades, to explain why this precise formulation is worth defending.

And so the two-war doctrine was tossed aside in favor of a “one-plus” doctrine.

 

The goal of the two-war doctrine was to prevent America from having to fight any major wars. Because when you have the ability to fight two conventional ground wars, you deter all of your enemies.

A one-war doctrine, on the other hand, invites conflict.

Think about it: America could, in theory, go to war against either Russia or China. But not both. Which means that both China and Russia are emboldened to pursue their interests: They know that we are unlikely to respond to aggression because in any given instance we will be paralyzed by the need to be able to deter a second aggressor.

The two-war doctrine was a victim of its own success. It was so effective at deterring large-scale aggression that Americans became convinced it wasn’t needed. That we could pocket the savings and get the same level of security through norms and agreements and economic interdependence.

 

Here is a thing everyone except Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping seems to have forgotten: Reality is a tank.

Not a memorandum. Not a summit. Not a promise.

In 1994, Russia signed a very nice piece of paper pledging to defend Ukraine from aggression if they would just give back the old Soviet Union’s nuclear weapons.

One week ago, after a summit with Emmanuel Macron, Putin said he was withdrawing troops from the Ukrainian border.

Joe Biden has promised that the United States would defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack.

None of these were policies. They were sentiments.

 

Over the last 20 years, Americans experienced the very real costs of being the global hegemon and decided that, all things being equal, we’d rather not have the job.

We are about to experience the very real costs of not being the hyperpower.

I would like to think the American people will survey the situation and come to the hard conclusion that while it is expensive and arduous to be the enforcer of the international order, it’s ultimately cheaper and safer than the alternative. And that we will then select leaders who will carry out this brief.

But I’ve lived through the last three years, just like you. I’ve watched half of America whine like children over being asked to wear a KN-95 at the grocery store. I’ve seen a third of this country refuse to get a life-saving vaccine because they are so detached from reality.

In my darker moments I suspect that Vladimir Putin has taken our measure quite precisely.

 

If you’d been reading the Triad, then Putin’s invasion would not be surprising in the least. I’ve been banging on about this for weeks:

This, for instance, is from the January 25 newsletter:

I do not believe there is anything the Biden administration or NATO can do to forestall Putin’s aggression at this point. So the questions shifts from “How do we stop it” to “How do we thwart Russia’s strategic aims and impose the largest possible strategic cost on Putin’s regime?”

There’s a reason we have the t-shirts.

If you want a clear-eyed view of the world delivered to your inbox, every day, then you should be with us.

2. Strategic Ambiguity

 

I hate that we have to fight the Trump culture wars while talking about real war. But like I said: We are not a serious people. So you have Rich Lowry tweeting this:

Rich Lowry

The sheer unpredictably of Trump, his anger at being defied or disrespected, his willingness to take the occasional big risk (the Soleimani strike), all had to make Putin frightened or wary of him in a way that he simply isn’t of Joe Biden https://t.co/NVhAGneN62

Pradheep J. Shanker @Neoavatara

I think a lot of people don't realize the intent of this.

This wasn't because Trump's policy was better.  

It is because Trump was FAR more unpredictable. That can be viewed as a good or bad thing. In this case, vis a vis Putin...it prevented Putin from making aggressive moves. https://t.co/nDLBhxBqkI

February 22nd 2022

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There’s a kernel of truth here. Unpredictability is a strategic asset and it was a big advantage for Trump in his conquest of the Republican party. Especially in the early days of 2015 to 2018: Republican elites didn’t understand him and couldn’t predict his behavior.

But in the realm of foreign relations, Trump was entirely predictable. There was a simple playbook for foreign leaders: Flatter Trump, tell him what he wanted to hear, and he would roll over for you.

Look at his love affair with Kim Jong-Un.

Look at him giving Xi Jinping the go ahead for concentration camps just so long as he could have a trade “deal” to announce.

Look at the Helsinki Summit, where he took Vladimir Putin’s side against his own intelligence apparatus.

And in just about every case involving the use of force—the killing of Soleimani being the exception—Trump backed down militarily. Even going so far as to falsely dismiss injuries to U.S. troops in order to avoid having to retaliate against an aggressor

So why is Putin pushing into Ukraine now? Not everything in the world is about Donald Trump and Putin has been playing a very long game.

But if I had to guess what Trump’s influence on Putin was, I’d say:

Putin realized that he could get much of he wanted from Trump for free. Trump was even talking about pulling out of NATO—which is Putin’s endgame. Why do anything that might jeopardize the free gifts Trump was giving him?

On the other hand, once Biden came to power and it was clear that the relationship would be more adversarial, Putin figured that he might as well go on offense and take his lumps in pursuit of the strategic objectives that could only be achieved by force.



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