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Msg ID: 2726064 Old guy, Where is your evidence of Fraud? +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
4/16/2022 1:04:19 AM

For more than  year, you have told us that evidence of fraud is coming; it's a matter of time.

Till now, crickets.

In fact, a republican judge has just called Trump a "Charlatan" - Never in the history of our country has a president, former that is, been called a "charlatan" by a sitting judge...a republican nonethless.

That said,

Fraud evidence was never coming. Fraud evidence is never coming. (msn.com)

Old guy, when are you going to grow a set, when are you going to man up and say "I was wrong .. there was no fraud. I was mistaken"

Do you have the intenstinal fortitude to man up and admit you were wrong? you were hoodwinked ... You were misled by a charlatan?

(you too old guy)

Flipper, you still believe in flat earth theory and pizza gate, so there's no hope for you



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Msg ID: 2726080 Oh, I don't know. Let's start with the videos of suitcases full of votes +1/-2     
Author:observer II
4/16/2022 8:43:41 AM

Reply to: 2726064

Then we can move on to the swing states all stopping the counting at the same time.

Then we can head into the fact that only republican oversite was dismissed for the night while fraudulent counting continued into the morning.

Then the fact that Trump was winning when the counting stopped, and then losing when it resumed.

So many accounts that the entire election should have been voided.

2020 was the end of democracy

Not jan 6th



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Msg ID: 2726086 Oh, I don't know. Let's start with the videos of suitcases full of votes +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
4/16/2022 11:05:47 AM

Reply to: 2726080

Every indicator in regards to the election, indicated Trummp won by a landslide!  Everyone but the votes tabulated by some government agencies.

There is a big world of information, affidavits, videos, and regular common sense items over looked or just plain ignored!

There are court rulings that various states violated the US Constitution during the election.

There is the fact that most citizens polled believe the Election was fraudulent, like 57%.

And then there are people like Bladeslap that can't see the most obvious of facts.  Bladeslap even posted that votes obtained in violation of the constitution should be counted.  So it is apparent he will never support the US and the constitution over his radical view points.

 

 



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Msg ID: 2726123 Trump, an acknowledged and self serving told you so? +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/16/2022 4:52:40 PM

Reply to: 2726080

Trump, an acknowledged and self serving told you so? 

Y'all operate on the assumption of Trump's virtue, honesty and patriotism? Those qualities are minimal to disinterested evaluation. Only people who want a 'strongman' in an autocratic Oval Office desire that. 

Therere is no evidence of election fraud anywhere, period. The Donald fbricated the issue to do exactly what you are doing- manipulate his base to express lack of faith in the American election process and to avoid being a loser.

I once had a friend I, we, called Droodles. He appeared innocuos, even harmless medium height stocky young man. Those who chllenged him at caual venues went down quick and surprised. He had been a fleet champion boxer. Trump has picked on the wrong oppoment with his lies and excuses. America is a world champion when it comes to democratic elections.

Trump is a loser who made Joe Biden electable. He lost the popular vote in 2016 to Hillary by 2.1%, her 48.2% to his 46.1%. But he was smart enough to win the Electoral Collegeby 14,5%

The 2020 election was a complete flip with Biden winning 51.3% of the popular vote to  Trump's slightly improved 46.9%; and Biden winning 56.9% of the Electoral College to Trump's weenie 43.1% Electoral College count.

No matter how a rational person views the result, Trump was, is and always will be a loser.



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Msg ID: 2726127 Crow, I challenge you to read the Arizona Audit +1/-1     
Author:Old Guy
4/16/2022 5:51:41 PM

Reply to: 2726123

Then come back and tell us there is NO EVIDENCE of election fraud.

Read the damn audit! Not what some fake news tells you.



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Msg ID: 2726200 "Crow, I challenge you to read the Arizona Audit" Done +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/17/2022 11:32:46 AM

Reply to: 2726127

Now what do you have to say?

Trump is a liar, a cheat and a thief. He will do and say anything to look less like a loser, but a loser.'

 

 

Official Results: Maricopa County, Arizona 2020 Election Audit 

 

The GOPs’ audit of Maricopa County, Arizona 2020 election confirms that American elections continue to be free, honest, and secure. Cyber Ninjas election audit found no fraud in the 2020 Election.

The Audit Results

A hand recount, as required by Arizona Law, conducted by members of all three major parties found no evidence of voter fraud. On February 23, 2021, Maricopa County announced that forensic audits of its vote tabulation equipment, completed by U.S. Election Assistance Commission accredited Auditors, had found no irregularities in the machines.

The GOP sponsored audit of the election by Cyber Ninjas found the same result. There is no election fraud in Arizona.

State Senate Republicans announced the results of the Cyber Ninjas audit of the 2020 presidential election in September. It concluded that President Joe Biden had won 360 more votes than Maricopa County had awarded him in the official count. Maricopa County commented on some of the claims Cyber Ninjas had made over their audit process, ultimately stating that the organization's "inexperience led ‘auditors’ to inflammatory false conclusions".

Cyber Ninjas has no history of ever auditing an election before being hired to audit the 2020 election in Arizona.

Although their report took months to complete and millions of dollars (some of that directly from taxpayers), their findings confirm that American democracy is strong and our elections are secure.

How Much Did the Audit Cost?

Here are the Top 5 expenses listed on the Cyber Ninjas report:

  • $5,243,593 for Payroll and Labor Costs

  • $1,182,971 for Depreciation Expenses

  • $627,176 for Professional Services

  • $543,871 for Travel Expenses

  • $253,327 for Supplies

Cyber Ninjas Shuts Down

Cyber Ninjas is closing down after refusing to provide documents requested by a judge regarding their audit of the 2020 election. The company was requested to turn over key documents related to their investigation to provide transparency to the process and investigation. After they refused to turn over the court-ordered documents, a Maricopa Superior Court Judge ordered the organization to pay $50,000 every day they did not comply with the court order. Some Cyber Ninjas fans expressed confusion over the group’s lack of transparency.

Either unwilling or unable to provide the required documents, Cyber Ninjas is choosing to close its doors.

Audit Conclusion

After the Cyber Ninjas report confirmed the results of the Official Audit, election integrity and American democracy remains intact—and a model for the rest of the world.



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Msg ID: 2726202 Crow, fake news, direct from the left wing news source  +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
4/17/2022 11:36:12 AM

Reply to: 2726200

READ, THE AUDIT!



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Msg ID: 2726203 The GOPs’ audit of Maricopa County, Arizona 2020 election confirms that Ame +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/17/2022 11:40:04 AM

Reply to: 2726202
The GOPs’ audit of Maricopa County, Arizona 2020 election confirms that American elections continue to be free, honest, and secure. Cyber Ninjas election audit found no fraud in the 2020 Election.


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Msg ID: 2726240 The GOPs’ aufdit of Maricopa County, Arizona 2020 election confirms that +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
4/17/2022 4:52:26 PM

Reply to: 2726203

The GOP's audit of Maricopa Counry, Arizona 2020 election confirms that the election was full of fraudulent votes.  Cyber Ninjas election audit found over 250000 questionable votes!

Crow read the damn audit, quit Referring to fake and biased news links.



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Msg ID: 2726226 Oh, I don't know. Let's start with the videos of suitcases full of votes +2/-0     
Author:bladeslap
4/17/2022 2:39:11 PM

Reply to: 2726080

Is that your best guess?

Any judge believe?

Any jury beleive it?

You're full of it as usual

"Fraudulent' because your ego is so fragile, like Trump's, you cannot accept that he actually won fair and square.

It amuses me when I listen to your defense tactics...

They are so strong that republican judges believed them too

 



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Msg ID: 2726302 I can hear the admission in your words, lol (NT) +0/-2     
Author:observer II
4/18/2022 10:41:25 AM

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Msg ID: 2726313 FACTCHECK POSTS Video Doesn’t Show ‘Suitcases’ of Illegal Ballots in Georgi +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/18/2022 11:04:07 AM

Reply to: 2726302

Video Doesn’t Show ‘Suitcases’ of Illegal Ballots in Georgia


 

The Trump campaign is falsely claiming that surveillance camera footage captured election workers in Georgia adding thousands of illegal ballots that were brought into an Atlanta facility in suspicious “suitcases” on election night.

The campaign presented the video to Georgia state lawmakers on Dec. 3. President Donald Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, wrote on Twitter the same day: “The video tape doesn’t lie. Fulton County Democrats stole the election. It’s now beyond doubt.” Trump himself later amplified the claim at a rally in Georgia on Dec. 5.

But state officials told us that the full video shows the supposed “suitcases” were actually standard containers used to secure ballots, and that the ballots in question were opened and prepared for counting earlier in the night in full view of observers. They said the campaign presented limited, selective parts of the footage.

That’s based on their review of the day’s video footage in full. Also, even though observers from the parties and press left the room before vote counting resumed, officials said, a state election board monitor and investigator from the secretary of state’s office both returned to watch the counting until its completion.

Left unclear, though, are the exact facts surrounding a purported “announcement” to workers in the room that Republican observers claim prompted them to leave, as we’ll explain.

No ‘Suitcases’ in Video

The video in question — which has been widely shared across social media — was presented to Georgia state legislators during the Dec. 3 hearing by a lawyer named Jacki Pick, who said she was volunteering for Trump’s legal team. Pick is listed as a lawyer by the State Bar of Texas, but she appears to work primarily as a conservative podcast host. She and her husband, Doug Deason, are major Republican donors.

Pick said Trump’s legal team received the video the night before and that it shows observers and the press leaving a room at Atlanta’s State Farm Arena, which was used to count absentee and military ballots, shortly before 11 p.m. She claimed that, according to witnesses, a woman had told the observers and press that “we’re going to stop counting, everyone go home.”

She pointed out that many of the elections workers had left for the night in the video, but four workers are seen in the video staying behind to continue counting.

“Once everyone is gone, coast is clear, they are going to pull ballots out from underneath a table – watch this table,” she said at the hearing. “I saw four suitcases come out from underneath the table.” The video shows the counting continued until nearly 1 a.m., she said.

But the supposed “suitcases” were typical ballot containers used to secure ballots, Georgia’s Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs told us in a phone interview. Likewise, Matthew Mashburn, the state Senate’s appointee to the state election board, told us the video showed “standard secure containers that are ubiquitous in tabulation in Georgia.”

And Gabriel Sterling, the state’s voting system implementation manager, said that the full video showed that the containers were carrying ballots that were opened and processed earlier in the night. They weren’t suspicious ballots brought surreptitiously into the building, or ballots that were opened in secret.

“They were put in there about an hour earlier,” Sterling, a Republican, said by phone. He said of the Trump campaign: “They watched the same video tape.”

Sterling also said he saw no anomalies in the vote data that suggested any kind of mass voter fraud, as has been alleged. “These are just regular elections workers” doing their job, he said.

While state law allows for observers to watch the vote counting, Sterling said, it was not illegal for the vote counting to resume when the observers left. He said his office was working on making the video footage from the arena public so that voters could see the footage with more context.

Observers’ Departure

What is clear from our interviews with state officials is that, at some point, the elections workers did evidently plan to stop counting votes.

Fulton County Elections Director Rick Barron also made that clear during a special, virtual public meeting on Dec. 4. He said that “certain staff that were on the cutting stations, that were on the flattening stations, that were extracting from the inner envelopes, those staff left as work completed.”

“I found out sometime, I think a little after 10:30 [p.m.], that they were gonna cease operations and I told them not to do that,” he said. He added that at “about 11:15 [p.m.], they were fully scanning again.”

Pick claimed that witnesses said that a woman came “out to announce, ‘we’re going to stop counting, everyone go home,'” saying the Republican observers were “forced to leave.” But Barron said that “no announcement was ever made to leave, for anyone to leave.”

Affidavits from two Republican field organizers referenced by Pick do not claim that they or the media were ever directly told or forced to leave. Instead, the observers say that they left after a woman — who they believed was a supervisor — “yelled” to workers in the room to cease operations and return the next day. The affidavits say that much of the room, except for a few employees, had cleared out.

“We have launched an investigation into why the monitors from the political parties left before scanning ended,” the secretary of state’s office said in a statement. “While it was their right to leave early, we want to make certain they were not misled into thinking scanning had stopped for the night when it had not. Nothing we have learned from the independent monitor or our investigation have suggested any improper ballots were scanned.”

Sterling said in our Dec. 4 interview with him that it did not appear there was any official announcement made to the observers or press, but there’s no audio to prove that one way or another.

On Dec. 5, Frances Watson, the chief investigator for the secretary of state’s office, said in an affidavit that after reviewing the video and conducting interviews, her investigators found “that observers and media were not asked to leave” but “simply left” after they saw workers, whose job was to open the ballots, leave. She said the investigation remains open.

Also, there’s no evidence that a “water main break” inside the arena earlier that day had anything to do with the observers and press leaving, as some have claimed.

One of Trump’s sons, Eric Trump, wrote on Facebook that “Republican observers were cleared out of State Farm Arena due to a ‘water main break’, but 4 people stayed behind, rolled out suitcases of ballots, & continue to count ballots in private from around 1030PM until 1AM.”

But the water leak occurred at 6:07 a.m. on Election Day, according to the arena, and it was fixed within two hours — meaning it occurred long before the episode in question.

Debunked Ballot Figures

During the legislative hearing, Pick maintained that the votes counted in the room after observers left could have been enough to change the presidential election results in Georgia.

Pick theorized that the machines in the room could have totaled “18,000 ballots.” (Biden won the state by less than 12,000 votes.)

But that’s wrong, according to the state election board monitor who was in the room as they counted.

The monitor — who agreed to be interviewed on the condition of not being named due to death threats faced by election workers — told us he was in the room until about 8:15 p.m., when he left, and returned at 11:52 p.m.

Fuchs, the deputy secretary of state, told us the monitor was not required to be there at all times, but she instructed him to return after hearing from news outlets that the county was going to cease counting for the night.

The monitor arrived at 11:52 p.m. — after the observers left shortly before 11 p.m. — and stayed until the counting ceased at 12:43 a.m.

Between 8:15 p.m. and 12:43 a.m., the change in total ballots went from 89,381 ballots to 99,133 ballots — so a difference of 9,752 votes — he said. And, again, that’s over the course of more than four hours, not just the time after observers and media left.

The footage is not the first to spark claims of fraud in Georgia. We also wrote about a video showing an election worker conducting an ordinary part of the recount process in Gwinnett County that prompted false claims. The videos have been part of a surge of falsehoods aimed at undermining the results of the 2020 election, as we’ve reported.

Saranac Hale Spencer contributed to this report.

Update, Dec. 7: We made updates to this story to reflect new information — including the affidavits from the Republican field organizers and statements from the chief investigator for the secretary of state’s office — pertaining to why the observers and media left the room in State Farm Arena.



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Msg ID: 2726315 Your correct, no xray vision was present +0/-2     
Author:observer II
4/18/2022 11:07:56 AM

Reply to: 2726313

Although it was ironically funny that Trump was winning in the swing states before the liberal shut-down of the counting facilities at midnight.

And it was also just as ironically funny that biden was winning when morning rolled around.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



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Msg ID: 2726319 Cite your source. I cite mine. But of course you won't. (NT) +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/18/2022 11:16:53 AM

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Msg ID: 2726327 Cite your source. I cite mine. But of course you won't. +0/-2     
Author:observer II
4/18/2022 11:26:48 AM

Reply to: 2726319

Everytime I site a source, there's no reply.

So why waste my time when you know the  posts are true



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Msg ID: 2726332 Perhaps I don't argue the issue when your opinion seems well founded? +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/18/2022 11:44:13 AM

Reply to: 2726327

So why waste my time when you know the  posts are true

Your posts are usually so far from factual, it is amazing that you can stand upright. Most TrumpeRINO frog boys are following the pied piper, Donald J. Trump (the 'J' is for 'jenius', which he is a 'very stable' example).



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Msg ID: 2726354 Funny, news and data seems to agree with me (NT) +0/-1     
Author:observer II
4/18/2022 3:51:56 PM

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Msg ID: 2726333 P.S, Wgat was the term you used...? 'Deflection'? Yeah, that's it. Your +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/18/2022 11:46:04 AM

Reply to: 2726327

P.S, Wgat was the term you used...? 'Deflection'? Yeah, that's it. Your excuse for your failures is like Trump's- it's somebody else's fault....



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Msg ID: 2726322 P.S. Your correct, no xray vision was present +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
4/18/2022 11:21:14 AM

Reply to: 2726315

but you assert those suitcases were full of ballots...



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