morality is relative to the norms of one's culture.  Right or wrong depends on the moral norms of a society.  These mass killings are from the moral decay of our society.  And YES most of it come from your political party. There are many issues the left has given us that tear away at our moral values!

How about Abortion, a large part of the country justifes killing humans by claiming it's not human yet! 

I could list many more things from the left that the outcome has little by little torn down our moral code.  But until you see it, it is all a waste of time and horrible things will keep happening.

I read your postings on here a bit.

Most people don't agree with you. It doesn't make you wrong, it's just that you represent your views as what you believe the majority is, but I believe you're wrong.

The moral corruption is actually on the republican side. Supporting what trump did, especially how he said its okay to grab em by the puss, is not only reprehensible, but it should have prevented him from even running.

You, sir, are at fault for supporting him. For supporting someone who has divided the country and eroded democracy. It's people like you who are the problem.

How can you compare talk in a private conversation in a locker room with something like "what does it matter" in  congressional hearing after the US deaths in Benghazi.  We are talking about a political party that does not even know which bathroom to use!  

I deeply believe you think You know, but what you know isn't much!  

You haved claimed Trump eroded democracy, serious type of claim, but NO explaintion of how!

That was about as pathetic of reasoning one could come up with. "Locker room talk". Is that what the Republicans told you to think?

It goes to how he treats women. It goes to how he treats people. It goes to his shatty state of mind.

You would excuse him for anything because put simple, you have lost your moral compass. Plain and simple.

And how Hillary treats people, her shanty state of mind.   Do You think that is even comparable, the loss of life compared to a uncalled for statement.  

Awesome example of the decaying moral values from the left!

Payton Gendron had a great deal in common with the extreme rightists here- poisonous political, racist and ethnic beliefs:

Buffalo supermarket shooting: Suspect previously threatened violence against his high school, authorities say

The suspect in the supermarket shooting in Buffalo, New York, that left 10 dead is an 18-year-old who previously threatened violence against his high school, authorities said.

Payton Gendron of Conklin, New York, drove more than three hours to a grocery store Saturday and shot 13 people, killing 10. Authorities believe the assault was an intentional attack on members of a predominantly Black upstate New York neighborhood.

Eleven of the 13 people who were shot were Black.

Gendron was identified in the deadly attack Saturday and was charged with one count of murder. Officials said they would weigh additional charges in the coming days. 

Meanwhile, federal agents on Sunday were working to confirm the authenticity of a 180-page racist manifesto that was posted online and identified Gendron by name as the gunman, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Sunday.

Here's what we know about the suspect: 

Suspect had previously threatened his high school

Gendron threatened an attack at his high school last year, resulting in a referral for a mental health evaluation, a law enforcement official told USA TODAY on Sunday. The incident was reviewed by state authorities at the time.

The official, who was not authorized to comment publicly, said the suspect's parents were cooperating with authorities.

New York State Police said troopers were called to the Conklin school last June for a report that the then 17-year-old student had made threatening statements. He spent a day and a half at the hospital before being released, authorities said, and then had no further contact with law enforcement.

Gendron graduated from the Susquehanna Valley Central School District in Conklin, New York, in 2021. District officials declined to comment on the  suspect's ties to the school, “in light of the extremely sensitive nature of this matter.”

More than 95% of Conklin’s 5,000 residents are white, according to 2020 census data. Black residents comprise about 0.6% of the town’s population.

According to the manifesto that Gendron allegedly wrote, which has not yet been confirmed by authorities as authentic, he was enrolled in the engineering sciences program at SUNY Broome Community College.

SUNY Broome officials confirmed in a statement to USA TODAY that Gendron was enrolled at the community college as a full-time student for the Fall 2021 and Spring 2022 semesters.

"The individual was enrolled through March 22, 2022, and has not been enrolled at SUNY Broome since that date," the statement said. 

 

 

What was the suspect's motive?

Early investigations point to a racist motive in the killings.

“This individual came here with the express purpose of taking as many Black lives as he could,” Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown said at a news conference Sunday.

Rep. Brian Higgins, D-N.Y., a Buffalo native, said the evidence gathered points to an “explicit act of racially motivated violence.” Citing briefings with law enforcement officials, Higgins said the suspect carried an assault weapon inscribed with a racial epithet.

“I was on site for the last three hours, and I listened carefully to what the FBI, police, the district attorney and the U.S. attorney had to say,” Higgins told USA TODAY. “There is no doubt this was a racially motivated attack.”

He said authorities were reviewing a graphic manifesto that referenced other racially motivated attackers, including an avowed white supremacist who killed nine people in 2015 at a Black church in Charleston, South Carolina. 

The manifesto, which focuses on racist, anti-immigrant and antisemitic beliefs, detailed the plot and identified Gendron by name as the gunman, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Sunday. The official was not authorized to publicly discuss details of the investigation and spoke to AP on condition of anonymity.

 

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How did the shooter obtain the gun?

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said the suspect acquired the rifle used in the attack legally but the weapon had been modified with illegal magazines. New York bars the sale of any magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds.

She said law enforcement was working to determine where the magazines were acquired but noted they could be purchased as close as Pennsylvania. She didn't elaborate on how many bullets the magazines were able to hold.

Gendron also wore tactical gear, including body armor, as he assaulted the grocery store.

Suspect arraigned on murder charge

Gendron was arraigned Saturday evening before Buffalo City Court Judge Craig Hannah on one count of first-degree murder.

Hannah ordered that Gendron be held without bail. He will return to court for a felony hearing Thursday morning.

Officials said they will weigh additional charges in the coming days. Gendron's attorney, Brian Parker, requested that his client undergo a psychiatric examination. 

who shares many of your beliefs.

A "leftie" who frequented 4CHAN.

A "leftie" who believed in Pooty's QAnon theory.

A "leftie" who believed in the "Great Replacement".

A "leftie" who Tucker Carlson is working to distance himself from.

No, he was very very rightist. Hitler, the NAZIs past and present are extreme rightist. Their solution to the  "Jewish problem" is exactly what Payton Gendron endorsed and was working toward. 

You can and often do proclaim that leftists' intentions with minority rights, etc. is to control that population and it population subservient, dependent on a leftist government.

Who did he shoot? He made a point of shooting up a supermarket in a neighborhood with a higher minority population. He drove hours to get there.

Payton Gendron is and was acting out white nationalist extremism. That's the archetype of extreme rightism.

 

 

The 18-year-old who allegedly killed 10 people and wounded three others when he opened fire at a grocery store in a majority-Black neighborhood in Buffalo, New York, appears to have left behind an archive of writings and posts that reveal an extremely online — and extremely familiar — ideology of hate that was heavily influenced by memes and copy-and-paste propaganda.

In the weeks and days before the shooting, a person identifying themselves as the alleged shooter, Payton Gendron, uploaded a 180-page self-described “manifesto” and more than 600 pages of archived posts from the messaging app Discord to different online storage websites.

In these documents, Gendron laid out his racist and antisemitic ideology, explained his motivations for mass murder, and quite literally mapped out the means by which he intended to carry it out and, as the Washington Post reported Monday, the surveillance measures he took to make sure it was successful.

He also explicitly states that it was 4chan, a controversial online message board, where he was “awakened” to the conspiracy theory that was the driving force behind his actions: the “Great Replacement Theory.”

“The ‘Great Replacement’ is a white supremacist antisemitic theory that claims that shadowy globalist forces are conspiring to replace white, largely white European, people with the ‘other’: persons of color and minorities,” Jon Lewis, a research fellow at the George Washington University Program on Extremism, told BuzzFeed News.

Much has been written about Gendron’s self-proclaimed beliefs in the context of the wider American political and media ecosystem. Fox News host Tucker Carlson has particularly come under fire for his past statements promoting replacement theory on his popular show.

But the documents Gendron left behind spell out his beliefs, and they are not the actions of a political partisan or a right-wing media devotee. In his writings he attacks the media industry, claiming it is controlled by Jews, aka “the enemy.” He identifies himself as an “eco-fascist national socialist,” explicitly says that he is not a conservative, and attacks both major American political parties.

Above all else, Gendron is a creature of the internet, born of memes and message board posts. Scattered throughout the hundreds of pages of documents he uploaded for posterity are screenshots and infographics from message board threads and copied-and-pasted screeds (“copypasta”) from extremist websites.

In a Discord message posted five months ago, on Dec. 20, he even refers to his planned mass murder as an extension of his online activity: “It’s time to stop shitposting and time to make a real life effort shitpost. I will carry out an attack on the replacers.”

 

 

Screenshot / Via 4chan.org

 

 

The most defining feature of Gendron’s self-described “manifesto” is how unoriginal it is. When BuzzFeed News ran Gendron’s document through online plagiarism checker software provided by Grammarly, it gave it a score of 63% and showed that whole paragraphs had been copied and pasted from 4chan threads and racist and antisemitic websites with names like “The Truth About n-words” and “Jewery Exposed.” The document also borrows a large amount of text from the writings of another mass shooter: Brenton Tarrant, who killed more than 50 people in targeted attacks on mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in March 2019.

In his own document, Gendron writes that he was “radicalized the most” by Tarrant, and says that viewing a livestream of the mosque attacks “started everything you see here.” He refers to the Christchurch killer as “Saint Tarrant” in a Discord message posted Jan. 3, and in a series of posts on March 30 discussing his “manifesto,” he wrote, “I stole lots of info from Tarrant because I can’t say it any better.”

Nowhere in the hundreds of pages of documents Gendron left behind does he associate himself with a political party. In fact, he attacks the American two-party system.

In his document’s question-and-answer section, Gendron answers in the negative when “asked” if he is a conservative. “No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it,” he said. In a few responses above, he states that it would be accurate to call him a “fascist” because “fascism is one of the only political ideologies that will unite Whites against the replacers.” He later writes that “conservatism is dead.”

Gendron explicitly states that he got his “current beliefs” from the internet, and the only mention of Fox News in all of his uploads is an infographic showing Fox as one of the enemy-controlled media outlets.

Discord / Dec. 9, 2021

 

A screenshot from Gendron's Discord post archive

 

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Instead, again and again, the alleged Buffalo shooter states that his political beliefs were forged online, and particularly on 4chan, which he says he began browsing in May 2020 during the COVID-19 lockdown. He even references this in a Discord post on Jan. 30, writing, “Inb4 ‘he got radicalized on 4chan lololololol.’”

A Discord spokesperson told BuzzFeed News on Tuesday that Gendron’s server was removed as soon as the company became aware of it, in accordance with its policies against violent extremism.

Gendron’s writings show that he had a plan to bring this arc of radicalization full circle by posting his screed and a link to a Twitch livestream of the shooting on 4chan before he began to fire his gun. (Twitch said it shut down his livestream within two minutes of it starting, but New York Gov. Kathy Hochul has been criticizing social media platforms for allowing racist propaganda to spread and influence people like Gendron.) He also uploaded all of his documents to various media storage sites before the shooting and explained on April 29 that he was uploading the Discord transcript “for people who want to see memes and learn and understand how I got to the point I am today.”

“Honestly, this entire thing is a meme, I’m actually just doing a high quality shitpost,” he wrote on Discord on May 5, nine days before the shooting.

"How about Abortion, a large part of the country justifes killing humans by claiming it's not human yet!"

I think you mischaracterize the issue, or are quoting somebody who mischaracterize it. The issue isn't that an abortion terminates a human, it's whether the mother's right to control her body. At some point the rights of the unborn person must be protected. Exactly when does the zygote become a person? Many religions make that very late in the process, up to a year after birth. Nobody in America is presenting that standard, but some believe that before the actual birth, abortion is available. To me, that is irrational buit that is one of the two extremes in the abortion issue.

You present the irrational flip side of the same coin as justified, so how do you know that? Religious convictions  do not count as many other faiths have beliefs that argue against yours- and America is founded on the principle that faith is an issue for the individual, not the state.
 

It is an absurd simplification to assert that a 2-celled zygote is a 'person'. It has none of the characteristics of personhood other than DNA. That standard makes surgery a murder in removing any tissue identifiable by genetics as a "person". Enlightenment principles don't make your warts into people.

Life starts at conception, the human embryo is human being at fertilization.

At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo Sapiens.  That is the science!

Life starts at conception, the human embryo is human being at fertilization.

At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo Sapiens.  That is the science!

Jeremiah 1:5

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

If the soul, the 'person' exists prior to the physical vessel, the body, then it is separate from the body. Various beliefs say various things about that, from prior to conception (Jeremiah 1:5) to the first birthday (or later). If it is a 'potential' person so the sonsequences of the decision are speculative and one gets into all manner of difficulties... like spilling your seed.

Are you circumcised? Did removing your foreskin kill anybody? No, it was a part of your body just as the pregnancy is so, until an undetermined point.

Science is silent or at the very least contradictory and/or unproven as to when the process results in a person with standing in the law. I will argue absolutism in every respect on this point whether the opinion is conception, first breath or some point in life. What is inarguably so is that it is not my decision, I am not pregnant nor a woman. Allow those bearing the consequences to make the decision.