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Msg ID: 2730467 Supreme court wants to loosen 2nd amend more +5/-1     
Author:RT Carlson
5/26/2022 11:30:00 AM

Sure, let's loosen the laws even more. It's far too diffcult for people to get assault weapons. Let's make it easier Ginny and Clarence.



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Msg ID: 2730480 The Numbers Don't Lie, More Guns = More Dead People... +5/-2     
Author:Jett
5/26/2022 12:43:08 PM

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6 charts that show the rise of guns in the U.S. — and people dying from them

Data shows how the gun landscape has changed in the last decade.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/6-charts-show-rise-guns-us-people-dying-rcna30537
 
 


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Msg ID: 2730484 The Numbers Don't Lie, More Guns = More Dead People... +3/-4     
Author:Old Guy
5/26/2022 1:27:39 PM

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Msg ID: 2730486 Oh. my... +6/-2     
Author:bladeslap
5/26/2022 1:42:54 PM

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Sure, let's force everybody to go to Church. That's the answer! Let's put either you or flipper in charge of the church. You can tell them about how Trump won the election as well. Maybe flipper can warn them about Pizza gate while we're at it. 

Okay, your logic gave me a laugh I needed during recurrent training lol



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Msg ID: 2730505 Oh. my... +2/-5     
Author:Old Guy
5/26/2022 5:01:47 PM

Reply to: 2730486

Makeing fun of religion shows just how far you are sliding down the moral code!

Not very impressive!

 



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Msg ID: 2730543 Im making fun of you, not religion :) (NT) +5/-0     
Author:bladeslap
5/27/2022 8:18:45 AM

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Msg ID: 2730550 You are not using logic, your useing emotional feelings. +2/-4     
Author:Old Guy
5/27/2022 10:10:38 AM

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When a shooting happens, do you liberial run around yelling "THAT GUN IS KILLING PEOPLE"

I have owned more than one gun and not once have they loaded themselves, aimed themselves and discharged themselves with out a person, NEVER!  The rock had to have Abel,  But you lefties don't understand common sense issues.

Bladeslap, it looks like you may not even understand the issue.  Your state has a gun ownership rate of 11%, and a murder rate of 4.3 per 100,000.   My state has a gun ownership rate of 59.4%, with a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000.  Big difference!!!   WHY!!!!

The number of guns is not the reason, if it was the murder rate would be Reversed.  
NOT GUNS!  

SO WHAT IS IT!  The culture, that maybe it!  But what within the culture is so different.  Could it be most of you are lefties, that have NO MORALS.  Your state has been ran by democrats, mine republicans, is that the major difference.  I think so, I checked, guess what other lefty states also have high crime rates, high murder rates, so the reason comes from the democrats, that the big difference in the states!

 



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Msg ID: 2730495 Supreme court wants to loosen 2nd amend more +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
5/26/2022 3:31:52 PM

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How do you prevent a citizen otherwise allowed by the Second Amendment from purchasing and possessing a weapon when there is not a clear and present threat? Do you impinge on Second Amendment rights without substantial evidence, only erratic behavior and speech? The killer had had substantial psych evaluation and deemed not to be a threat.

Yes, Payton Gendron was not a person any rational culture would wished armed- but that's hindsight.

I freaking hate the fact that the AR is available to any whack job. That said, I don't see the Second Amendment as at fault- just as "freedom is not free" it's also true that "freedom is not safe".

Right after various handguns (handguns are more than twice as likely to be used) the AR is the weapon of choice for mass murders. It is an efficient, reliable and effective weapon, just as it was designed to be.

And that's the problem: 

These 11 mass shootings involved an AR-15-style weapon.

By Jon Greenberg

March 24, 2021

AR-15 style weapons were used in 10 major shootings

 

A Twitter post correctly describes 10 out of 11 mass shootings in the past decade as involving AR-15 style weapons.

One shooting on the list involved a semi-automatic rifle that has different internal mechanics than the AR-15 style weapon.

Semi-automatic rifles in the AR-15 style have been the weapon of choice in numerous deadly mass shootings. Until 2004, they were banned as assault weapons under federal law. Gun control advocates have focused on firearms of this sort for decades.

In the arrest warrant for the gunman in the March 22 shooting that killed 10 people in a Boulder, Colo., supermarket, police describe one of the weapons as "a rifle (possible AR-15)."

Adam Best, an entrepreneur and progressive activist with over 189,000 followers on Twitter, posted a list with 11 other shootings over the past decade that he said involved an AR-15.

 

AR-15 once referred to a specific model of rifle, but the label has come to be recognized in recent decades as a shorthand term for a category of firearms that share certain characteristics. (The AR stands for ArmaLite, the original maker of the AR-15 rifle.) They are semi-automatic, which means the trigger must be pulled to fire each round, and a new round moves into the chamber after each pull. As rifles, they have a general shape and configuration, and can be customized with a choice of grips, triggers, stock, and more.

We reviewed news and law enforcement reports on the shootings listed in Best’s tweet.  We verified that all but one did involve at least one weapon in the AR-15 style. The possible exception was the deadly attack on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla.

 

Orlando

June 12, 2016: A gunman began shooting inside the Pulse, killing 49 people and wounding 53. Orlando Police officers shot and killed him after a three-hour standoff. One of the weapons was a SIG Sauer MCX. The SIG Sauer takes a lot of the form and functions of the AR-15 but with reworked internal mechanics and some other changes. For example, the SIG Sauer is built to handle a different caliber round than the standard AR-15.

The two weapons have so much in common that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms called the SIG Sauer used in Orlando a ".223 caliber AR type rifle." 

 

Parkland

Feb. 14, 2018: A gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. He killed 17 people and injured 17 others. 

 

Las Vegas

Oct. 1, 2017:  A gunman opened fire on concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip. From his 32nd-floor hotel room, he killed 60 people and wounded 41. Police found 14 AR-15s, plus other weapons in the gunman’s hotel room.

 

Aurora, Colo.

Republican National Committee

stated on April 27, 2022 in a tweet

“Biden to teachers: ‘They're not somebody else's children. They're yours when you're in the classroom.’”

By Samantha Putterman • April 28, 2022

July 20, 2012:  A gunman fired into the audience at a movie theater. He killed 12 people and injured 58 others.

 

Sandy Hook

Dec. 14, 2012: A gunman shot and killed 26 people, including 20 children between 6 and 7 years old, and six adult staff members at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

 

Waffle House

April 22, 2018: A gunman opened fire inside a Waffle House restaurant in Nashville, Tenn. He killed four people and injured two others. 

 

San Bernardino

Dec. 2, 2015: A married couple opened fire at a San Bernardino County (Calif.) Department of Public Health training event and Christmas party. They killed 14 people and injured 22 others. 

 

Midland/Odessa 

Aug. 31, 2019: After shooting a police officer and another person, a gunman killed a postal worker, commandeered his van and fired on others on a Texas highway. He killed seven people and injured 25 others. 

 

Poway synagogue

April 27, 2019: A gunman fired shots inside the Chabad of Poway synagogue north of San Diego. He killed one woman and injured three others.

 

Sutherland Springs

Nov. 5, 2017: A gunman opened fire during services at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. He killed 26 people and wounded 20 others.

 

Tree of Life Synagogue 

Oct. 27, 2018: A gunman opened fire during services at the Tree of Life – Or L'Simcha Congregation in Pittsburgh. He killed 11 people and wounded six.

 

Our ruling

A tweet said an AR-15 style weapon was used in the Boulder mass shooting and 11 past mass shootings. At least one AR-15 style weapon was used in 10 of the examples. 

For the 11th — at the Pulse nightclub — the weapon used had some internal differences from the AR-15 style, but the ATF characterized it as an AR-15.

With that technical difference, we rate this claim Mostly True.



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