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Msg ID: 2731872 As I watch the DOW drop! +0/-3     
Author:Old Guy
6/10/2022 11:04:01 AM

Consumer price index was reported up 8.6%.

It now takes over $500.00 to fill my motor home!

My wife is starting to stock the pantry!

Having a propane generator installed at the house!

Costco was out of pop corn!  F**king pop corn!

I own a some Microsoft stock, crap they are down over 3% just today!

But, AR15 and hand gun sales are way up!

Do you lefties even understand what is going own?

You voted for this, useful idiots!

 

 

 

 

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Msg ID: 2731874 Probably a result of the coup attempt being exposed... +2/-0     
Author:Jett
6/10/2022 11:18:28 AM

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"Motor Home", I guess you could call a truck pulling a trailer that. But we know what you're trying to do here, distract, deflect, try and change the narrative. 

You're standing in doo doo...



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Msg ID: 2731876 No one is paying attention to the fake hearing! +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
6/10/2022 11:36:49 AM

Reply to: 2731874

This is why!




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Msg ID: 2731878 "No one is paying attention to the fake hearing!" You are. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/10/2022 11:53:25 AM

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Does a trial's finding of fact and resulting conviction rely on Nielsen Numbers? You attempt to distract America from the reality of Donald Trump's willingness to overturn the Constitution and other American foundational principles.

January 6 is his Watergate event. His faithful base, like Nixon's, will wake up and smell the coffee. Trump is so, so very done as far as potential electability.

Trump is a liar, a crook and a thief. He incites political violence to promote his desire for power. Can you say "brown shirts" or "night of the broken glass"?

The answer to the question in this article's lead is: Yes.

For once in a long, long time, Georgia is an indicator of the country's political attitude. Conservative but not Trumpian. Kemp and Raffensperger, established conservative Repuiblicans and mere elected state office holders can refuse to cooperate in a criminal conspiracy to corrupt an election and gain credibility in the party from that stand on American democracy.

 
For the past year it has been assumed that Donald Trump is the undisputed leader of the Republican Party. And with good reason. He has held onto the loyalties of Republican voters, he has managed to spread the Big Lie (that he won the 2020 presidential election) to many of his followers and to many Republican politicians who initially were against him, and he has raised enormous sums of money, most of it from small donors.
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But in recent weeks it is possible to see three cracks in what Trump would like to believe is monolithic control over the Republican Party.

  • The hard-core Trump base appears to be shrinking.
  • In many Republican primaries Trump does not appear able to crown winners simply with his endorsement—his candidates are often in for a fight with other Republicans.
  • Heavy hitters are stepping up to challenge Trump’s version of the election, which has become his dominant message.

First of all, the number of hard-core Trump voters may be shrinking. In polling done by NBC, they asked a very important question—“Are you more a supporter of Donald Trump than of the Republican Party?” Before the 2020 election, 54% said Trump. When NBC asked the same question in late January 2022, the numbers were evenly divided with 46% saying Trump and 46% saying the Republican Party. This data and other related data led Dan Balz, the dean of the Washington Post’s political reporters to ask—“Do Republicans love Trump as they once did?”  Balz’s conclusion is a cautious one—“Whether this is the beginning of something genuinely threatening to his standing or a minor hiccup that is of no real consequence is what all those Republicans with an eye on the White House want to know.”

Secondly, Trump’s ability to call the shots in the upcoming Republican primaries is being tested. Many of the primaries will feature an internal fight between Trump endorsed candidates and more mainstream Republicans. For example, Trump has endorsed 12 candidates running in Republican gubernatorial primaries. If his word was as powerful as he thinks it is, opposition to his candidates should melt away. But that’s not happening. Very few of these races are cake walks for the Trump endorsed candidate.

In Georgia, for instance, the incumbent Governor Brian Kemp, who drew Trump’s enmity when he called the state for Biden, has built a sizeable war chest and is running neck and neck or slightly ahead of Trump’s choice, former Sen. David Perdue. Trump’s choice in Arizona, Kari Lake, is facing a large field of Republican candidates and so far, she’s being out raised. Ditto for Dan Cox, the Trump candidate in the Maryland Republican primary who is behind other Republicans in his fundraising. In Nebraska, Trump endorsed Charles Herbster and immediately Herbster drew harsh criticism about his business practices from the incumbent Republican governor. And in Massachusetts, Trump endorsed Geoff Diehl, who has lost so many races in that very blue state that a former Republican party chair said it would be “foolish” for them to nominate Diehl.

There are only two states where the entire Republican Party and Donald Trump’s candidates appear to be on the same page. In Arkansas, Trump endorsed Sarah Huckabee Sanders, his former press secretary, and the daughter of a former governor. Her candidacy is so strong (for reasons going beyond the Trump endorsement) that she has cleared the Republican primary field. In Kansas, the state’s attorney general, Derek Schmidt is a strong candidate with no high-profile opponents so far. (The filing deadline hasn’t passed yet) And in Idaho, Trump has endorsed the lieutenant governor but we don’t yet know what the Republican primary looks like because the current governor hasn’t announced whether he’s running.

Finally, until lately, the only high profile opponent to Trump—at least rhetorically—was Rep. Liz Cheney, who has been adamant in opposition to the Big Lie and is getting tons of air time as she announces the work of the select committee investigating January 6. But Cheney is no ordinary congressperson from a small state that can boast more cattle than people. She is also the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney who served in the George W. Bush Administration and her ties in the Republican Party go deep into that wing of the party that Trump has eclipsed—but that is still there.

Until February 4, Cheney was the undisputed leader of the anti-Trump faction in the Republican Party, but on that day, former Vice President Mike Pence joined her when he stated, in no uncertain words, “President Trump is wrong … I had no right to overturn the election.” In a speech that was sincere and powerful he told members of The Federalist Society “The truth is there’s more at stake than our party or our political fortunes,” he said. “If we lose faith in the Constitution, we won’t just lose elections—we’ll lose our country.” Pence’s remarks were all the more powerful because he made them while the Republican National Committee was “censuring” two Republicans who refused to go along with the Big Lie.

When it comes to the 2020 election, Trump is a broken record. This has worked—sort of. On the one hand, his obsession with his stolen election has helped spread it to large numbers of Republicans. On the other hand, it has stood in the way of him talking about issues like inflation or the ongoing pandemic that are likely of more immediate concern to voters than 2020. And while, so far, there is no evidence of any Republican who can beat him for the nomination, we are two full years away from the New Hampshire primary and that, as they say, is a lifetime in politics. Between now and then his voters may continue to move away, his endorsed candidates may lose, and more high-profile Republicans may decide to take a stand. If so, by 2024 Trump may turn out to be the little man behind the curtain in “The Wizard of Oz.”



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Msg ID: 2731880 What does the findings need to be true! +0/-2     
Author:Old Guy
6/10/2022 12:15:39 PM

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For 216 years commitees have been made up of people from all political parties, not this one!

Finding justice in this case is not blind, it is hand picked members, to find ways to justify a predetermined outcome.  It is NOT a committee trying to find facts, but to ignore facts and pursue their hate of Trump.  

It is just a dog and pony show!  This country has huge issues, but a fake committee is the priority of the left.  

This is irresponsible and childish, waste of time and money.

Now if they wanted to find out what went wrong, they could ask Nancy why she refused additional security offered 3 days before.



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Msg ID: 2731894 Donald Trump himself has discredited the January 6 rioters and what what yo +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/10/2022 2:37:10 PM

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Donald Trump himself has discredited the January 6 rioters and what what you blindly assert.

The facts don't rely on politics or bias. How one interprets facts is an individual trait. For instance, you have such faith in Trump that you will overlook the facts. Trump is a proven liar, you prefer his comfortable lies to reality.

Congress was performing a Constitutional duty to certify the ballots. Trumpists attempted to stop that by attacking congress. Clearly a traitorous act.

 

Donald Trump Finally Admits Defeat: 'I Didn't Win the Election'

 

Former President Donald Trump said on video that he had not won the 2020 election after claiming for over two years to have been the rightful winner.

Trump made the comment during an interview published Monday by The Atlantic with a group of historians working on a book about his presidency. During the interview, Trump defended the legacy of his sole term in office. His claims that the 2020 election was stolen continue to shape U.S. politics.

The 45th president gave an interview to a panel of historians convened by Julian Zelizer, a Princeton professor and editor of the forthcoming The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: A First Historical Assessment. Writing in The Atlantic, Zelizer said that after Trump learned about the scholarly book he reached out to its authors hoping to offer his perspective on his presidency.

 

During part of the interview when he was discussing his attempts to get South Korean President Moon Jae-in to pay more for U.S. military support, Trump said: "when I didn't win the election, he had to be the happiest..." before revising his comment to suggest that Iran, China and Russia might have been happier.

Such a comment on the election would appear to contradict his repeated claim that he was the rightful winner of the 2020 presidential vote. However, elsewhere in the interview, Trump referred to the 2020 election as being "rigged and lost."

Donald Trump at Rally
Former President Donald Trump recently admitted to losing the 2020 election in an interview with 'The Atlantic.' Pictured, Trump speaks to supporters at a rally on April 2, 2022, near Washington, Michigan.SCOTT OLSON/GETTY IMAGES
 

Trump's interview with the historians took place over Zoom in July 2021, after the former president had spent the first half of the year claiming the election was marred by widespread voter fraud and that he was the rightful winner. A video of the interview has since been shared on Princeton University's library website.

Liz Harrington, spokeswoman for Trump, told Newsweek in an email that the former president was sticking to his previous claims.

"President Trump has been very clear that the election was rigged and stolen," she said. "And tens of millions of Americans agree."

In other media appearances, Trump has also made remarks appearing to concede that President Joe Biden won the 2020 election. During an interview on Flashpoint, a religious public affairs show, Trump said, "had we won the election," his border wall with Mexico would almost be complete.

Trump, during the interview with Zelizer, also said the "real story" about the January 6 Capitol insurrection "has yet to be written." He recalled how he had given a "presidential speech" to a "peaceful rally," claiming left-wing infiltrators caused the violence.

Since the insurrection, federal prosecutors have brought charges against hundreds of rioters, some of whom said they acted on Trump's orders. A federal judge ruled last week that Trump likely committed federal crimes in his attempt to overturn the election.

Zelizer described Trump as being unusually concerned about how he would be perceived by academic historians "without any understanding of how historians gather evidence or render judgments." The Princeton professor noted that neither George W. Bush nor Barack Obama had reached out to him to offer their accounts of their presidencies.

 

"I'm looking at the list, it's a tremendous group of people, and I think rather than being critical I'd like to have you hear me out, which is what we're doing now, and I appreciate it," Trump told the panel of historians.

Trump's staff provided the historians with documents "that portrayed him as a conventional president with a moderate record." During the interview, Trump depicted himself as underrated and pointed to what he described as downplayed successes around the economy, pandemic and foreign policy.

 

Additionally, Trump told the historians that "nobody was tougher on Russia than me," rebutting criticisms of his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin. He also said his jabs at NATO allies compelled them pay their share toward the alliance, and pressed South Korean President Moon Jae-In to pay for more his country's defense.

But Zelizer wrote that the interview "underscored common criticisms: that he construed the presidency as a forum to prove his dealmaking prowess; that he sought flattery and believed too much of his own spin; that he dismissed substantive criticism as misinformed, politically motivated, ethically compromised, or otherwise cynical."



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Msg ID: 2731883 What was the Nielsen ratings? +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
6/10/2022 12:32:29 PM

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Msg ID: 2731892 YOU care. That's why you're dissembling, attempting to distract and divert  +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/10/2022 2:18:50 PM

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YOU care. That's why you're dissembling, attempting to distract and divert attention.

You are rightfully concerned at what the committee may discover and inform Americans of.

Trump may not have incited the January 6 riot, but he encouraged the mob. He did nothing to minimize the violence.

And when he did finally address the rioters:

 

Hiding from the rioters in a secret location away from the Capitol, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) appealed to Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) phoned Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter.

 

And Kellyanne Conway, a longtime Trump confidante and former White House senior adviser, called an aide who she knew was standing at the president’s side.

But as senators and House members trapped inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday begged for immediate help during the siege, they struggled to get through to the president, who — safely ensconced in the West Wing — was too busy watching fiery TV images of the crisis unfolding around them to act or even bother to hear their pleas.

 

“He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV,” said one close Trump adviser. “If it’s TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls. If it’s live TV, he watches it, and he was just watching it all unfold.”

 

Even as he did so, Trump did not move to act. And the message from those around him — that he needed to call off the angry mob he had egged on just hours earlier, or lives could be lost — was one to which he was not initially receptive.

“It took him awhile to appreciate the gravity of the situation,” Graham said in an interview. “The president saw these people as allies in his journey and sympathetic to the idea that the election was stolen.”

 

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.

 

Capitol Police were unable to stop a breach of the Capitol. Washington Post reporter Carol Leonnig and a former Senate Sergeant at Arms describe the events. (Video: The Washington Post, Photo: Reuters/The Washington Post)

The man who vowed to be a president of law and order failed to enforce the law or restore order. The man who has always seen himself as the protector of uniformed police sat idly by as Capitol Police officers were outnumbered, outmaneuvered, trampled on — and in one case, killed. And the man who had long craved the power of the presidency abdicated many of the responsibilities of the commander in chief.

The episode in which Trump supporters rose up against their own government, leaving five people dead, will be central to any impeachment proceedings, critical to federal prosecutors considering incitement charges against him or his family, and a dark cornerstone of his presidential legacy.

This portrait of the president as the Capitol was under attack on Jan. 6 is the result of interviews with 15 Trump advisers, members of Congress, GOP officials and other Trump confidants, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to share candid details.

'Fight for Trump'

The day began ominously, with a “Save America March” on the Ellipse devoted to perpetuating Trump’s baseless claims that somehow the 2020 election was stolen from him.

 

Before the president’s remarks around noon, several of his family members addressed the crowd with speeches that all shared a central theme: Fight. Eric Trump, one of the president’s sons, told the crowd that lawmakers needed to “show some fight” and “stand up,” before urging the angry mass to “march on the Capitol today.” Donald Trump Jr., another of the president’s sons, exhorted all “red-blooded, patriotic Americans” to “fight for Trump.”

Backstage, as the president prepared to speak, Laura Branigan’s hit “Gloria” was blared to rev up the crowd, and Trump Jr., in a video he recorded for social media, called the rallygoers “awesome patriots that are sick of the bull----.” His girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, danced to the song and, clenching her right fist, urged people to “fight.”

The president, too, ended his speech with an exhortation, urging the crowd to give Republicans “the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

“So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue,” he concluded.

What Trump said before his supporters stormed the Capitol, annotated

Trump, however, did not join the angry crowd surging toward the Capitol. Instead, he returned to the White House, where at 2:24 p.m. he tapped out a furious tweet railing against Vice President Pence, who in a letter earlier in the day had made clear that he planned to fulfill his constitutional duties and certify President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala D. Harris as the winners of the 2020 electoral college vote.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify,” he wrote. “USA demands the truth!”

By then, West Wing staffers monitoring initial videos of the protesters on TV and social media were already worried that the situation was escalating and felt that Trump’s tweet attacking Pence was unhelpful.

Press officials had begun discussing a statement from Trump around 2 p.m., when protesters first breached the Capitol, an official familiar with the discussions said. But they were not authorized to speak on behalf of the president and could only take the matter to Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, this person said, adding that “the most infuriating part” of the day was how long it took before Trump finally spoke out.

Around the same time, Trump Jr. headed to the airport for a shuttle flight home to New York. As he waited in an airport lounge to board the plane, the president’s namesake son saw that the rally­goers they had all urged to fight were doing just that, breaching police barricades and laying siege to the Capitol.

An aide called Trump Jr. and suggested he immediately issue a statement urging the rioters to stop. At 2:17 p.m., Trump Jr. hit send on a tweet as he boarded the plane: “This is wrong and not who we are,” he wrote. “Be peaceful and use your 1st Amendment rights, but don’t start acting like the other side. We have a country to save and this doesn’t help anyone.”

But the president himself was busy enjoying the spectacle. Trump watched with interest, buoyed to see that his supporters were fighting so hard on his behalf, one close adviser said.

But if the president didn’t appear to understand the magnitude of the crisis, those in his orbit did. Conway immediately called a close personal aide who she knew was with the president, and said she was adding her name to the chorus of people urging Trump to speak to his supporters. He needed to tell them to stand down and leave the Capitol, she told the aide.

Conway also told the aide that she had received calls from the D.C. mayor’s office asking for help in getting Trump to call up the National Guard.

Ivanka Trump had gone to the Oval Office as soon as the riot became clear, and Graham reached her on her cellphone and implored her for help. “They were all trying to get him to speak out, to tell everyone to leave,” said Graham, referring to the small group of aides with Trump on Wednesday afternoon.

Several Republican members of Congress also called White House aides, begging them to get Trump’s attention and have him call for the violence to end. The lawmakers reiterated that they had been loyal Trump supporters and were even willing to vote against the electoral college results — but were now scared for their lives, officials said.

When the mob first breached the Capitol, coming within mere seconds of entering the Senate chamber, Pence — who was overseeing the electoral certification — was hustled away to a secure location, where he remained for the duration of the siege, despite multiple suggestions from his Secret Service detail that he leave the Capitol, said an official familiar with Pence’s actions that day.

Instead, the vice president fielded calls from congressional leaders furious that the National Guard had not yet been deployed, this official said. Pence, from his secret location in the Capitol, spoke with legislative and military leaders, working to mobilize the soldiers and offering reassurance.

Even as his supporters at the Capitol chanted for Pence to be hanged, Trump never called the vice president to check on him or his family. Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, eventually called the White House to let them know that Pence and his team were okay, after receiving no outreach from the president or anyone else in the White House.

Meanwhile, in the West Wing, a small group of aides — including Ivanka Trump, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany and Meadows — was imploring Trump to speak out against the violence. Meadows’s staff had prompted him to go see the president, with one aide telling the chief of staff before he entered the Oval Office, “They are going to kill people.”

Shortly after 2:30 p.m., the group finally persuaded Trump to send a tweet: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement,” he wrote. “They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

But the Twitter missive was insufficient, and the president had not wanted to include the final instruction to “stay peaceful,” according to one person familiar with the discussions.

Less than an hour later, aides persuaded Trump to send a second, slightly more forceful tweet: “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful,” he wrote. “No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order — respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!”

 

'You're very special'

McCarthy did eventually reach Trump, but later told allies that he found the president distracted. So McCarthy repeatedly appeared on television to describe the mayhem, an adviser said, in an effort to explain just how dire the situation was.

McCarthy also called Kushner, who that afternoon was arriving back from a trip to the Middle East. The Secret Service originally warned Kushner that it was unsafe to venture downtown to the White House. McCarthy pleaded with him to persuade Trump to issue a statement for his supporters to leave the Capitol, saying he’d had no luck during his own conversation with Trump, the adviser said. So Kushner headed to the White House.

At one point, Trump worried that the unruly group was frightening GOP lawmakers from doing his bidding and objecting to the election results, an official said.

National security adviser Robert C. O’Brien also began calling members of Congress to ask how he could help. He called Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) around 4 p.m., a Lee spokesman said. In an unlikely twist, Lee had heard from the president earlier — when he accidentally dialed the senator in a bid to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) to discuss overturning the election.

Others were still having trouble getting through to the White House. Speaking on ABC News shortly before 4 p.m. Wednesday, Chris Christie, a GOP former governor of New Jersey, said he’d spent the last 25 minutes trying to reach Trump directly to convey a simple, if urgent, message.

“The president caused this protest to occur; he’s the only one who can make it stop,” Christie said. “The president has to come out and tell his supporters to leave the Capitol grounds and to allow the Congress to do their business peacefully. And anything short of that is an abdication of his responsibility.”

Around this time, the White House was preparing to put out a video address on behalf of the president. They had begun discussing this option earlier but struggled to organize their effort. Biden, meanwhile, stepped forward with remarks that seemed to rise to the occasion: “The scenes of chaos at the Capitol do not reflect the true America, do not represent who we are.”

Trump aides did three takes of the video and chose the most palatable option — despite some West Wing consternation that the president had called the violent protesters “very special.”

“This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people,” Trump said in the video, released shortly after 4 p.m. “We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home, and go home in peace.”

Amid the chaos, D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) had implemented a 6 p.m. curfew for the city, and as darkness fell, the Secret Service told West Wing staff that, save for an essential few, everyone had to leave the White House and go home.

At 6:01 p.m., Trump blasted out yet another tweet, which Twitter quickly deleted and which many in his orbit were particularly furious about, fearing he was further inflaming the still-tense situation.

“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so ­unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” Trump wrote. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

Thirteen minutes later, at 6:14 p.m., a perimeter was finally established around the Capitol. About 8 p.m., more than six hours after the initial breach, the Capitol was declared secure.

The following evening, on Thursday, Trump released another video, the closest advisers say he is likely to come to a concession speech.

“Congress has certified the results: A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th,” Trump said in the video. “My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.”

His calls for healing and reconciliation were more than a day too late, many aides said. Yet as Trump watched the media coverage of his video, he grew angry.

The president said he wished he hadn’t done it, a senior White House official said, because he feared that the calming words made him look weak.



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