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Msg ID: 2732385 A note to Old Guy +4/-1     
Author:bladeslap
6/14/2022 6:16:47 PM

Nearly his entire cadre told him he lost. His own family told him. 

What did he do? 

Stomp his feet, do over 60 lawsuits ... all of which lost.

Look at the math

60+ Lawsuits - Most the judge said "Are you serious"?

His own advisors "You Lost"

His legal branch "You Lost"

His election Czar "You Lost"

His Vice President "You Lost"

His former Senate Majority Leader "You Lost"

Every single audit "You Lost"

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Common theme "YOU LOST"

Are you not questioning your own sanity that all these people said "you lost", yet you still believe Trump's lies?

I'm not saying this for you to be ashamed of yourself. I'm not even saying this to poke fun at you. I'm saying this because any sane person who reads this will ask you "Have you really taken the time to unemotionally evaluate your beliefs and how you evaluate truth?



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Msg ID: 2732558 Just your opinion and it has no value! (NT) +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
6/16/2022 10:04:49 AM

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Msg ID: 2732577 It takes a special kind of fool to believe a liar when the facts are so +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 11:13:02 AM

Reply to: 2732558

It takes a special kind of fool to believe a liar when the facts are so clearly otherwise.

Trump is a liar, a cheat and a thief:

Trump raised $250m to fight non-existent voter fraud but gave most of it to his own PAC, Jan 6 committee hears

Committee says Trump campaign knew claims of election fraud were false but used them to raise money anyway

 
 
 
 
 

Trump predicted he would lose the election. Not exactly a revelation, Americans clearly had enough Trump to last, well- forever.

His prediction was accurate: in spite of an incumbency he lost to Joe Biden. Repeat: he lost to Joe Biden. Biden, for all his work, is not a leader he's an expert in compromise. In a way, that's exactly what America needed, so they elected Biden. HE won't be re-elected in 2024.

VP Harris won't be on a national ticket either.

But- Trump won't carry the Republican primary, either. He will drop the proverbial fecal mass in the GOP punchbowl, guaranteeing a Democratic POTUS. Good job, frog boys! 

Who the Democrats will run is the issue. Trump got Biden elected. Who will he get elected in 2024 as conservative Republicans wail and gnash their teeth?



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Msg ID: 2732583 I takes a useful idiot  +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
6/16/2022 11:49:10 AM

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Msg ID: 2732612 "I takes a useful idiot" Buy an electric car. +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 1:22:35 PM

Reply to: 2732583

Or emmigrate.

Stop your whining. 

Trump lost.

Would you rather have had him successful in creating a chaotic national emergency to continue in office?



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Msg ID: 2732619 "I takes a useful idiot" Buy an electric car. +1/-1     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 2:51:32 PM

Reply to: 2732612

Disgusting RINO

the difference between Buddha and Jetsheep

and YOU

is You know better

youre a liar, a propagandist

a paid muckraker

reciting the big lie

actually believed by a very few 

Useful idiots 



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Msg ID: 2732623 Which voice in your head am I answering now? +1/-2     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 3:01:10 PM

Reply to: 2732619

Is this Pooty Shart or your shadow, 'old guy'?

But you are right- I do know better. I'm an American conservative, not a extreme right nationalist.

I am not bladeslap or jett.

There's more than one or two of us: 51.3% of Americans voted against Trump, Trumpism.

 

 

While the ex-president is beset by legal and financial troubles, his awful doctrine remains a malign and vigorous force in US politics

Supporters wait for Donald Trump to arrive at a 'Save America' rally, Conroe, Texas, 29 January  2022.
Supporters wait for Donald Trump to arrive at a 'Save America' rally, Conroe, Texas, 29 January 2022. Photograph: Brandon Bell/Getty Images
Tue 8 Mar 2022 06.00 EST
 

Proclaiming what’s going to happen is a popular way to shrug off taking responsibility for helping to determine what’s going to happen. And it’s something we’ve seen a lot with doomspreading prophecies that Donald Trump is going to run for president or even win in 2024.

One of the assumptions is that Trump will still be alive and competent to run, but the health of this sedentary shouter in his mid-70s, including the after-effects of the Covid-19 he was hospitalised for in 2020, could change.

 

Look to external issues too, for whatever the condition of his own health, his financial health is under attack, with businesses losing money and some banks refusing to lend to him after the storming of the Capitol.

It’s also worth remembering that he lost the popular vote by millions in 2016 and by more millions in 2020; he never had a mandate. The Republicans are clearly gearing up to try to steal an election again, but their chances of winning one with Trump as candidate seem slim. Currently, he is creating conflict within the Republican party with his insistence on controlling it for his own agenda and punishing dissenters.

Another assumption we make when we assess Trump’s prospects is that he won’t be locked up in 2024, or that his reputation, such as it is, won’t be severely damaged even in the eyes of some who voted for him before. Even in the past couple of weeks his standing has shifted significantly. Former attorney general Bill Barr is now speaking up – to promote his book – about how Trump was clearly advised that his claims of election theft had no basis and that his strategies to overturn the results were illegal. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has woken up people around the world (or at least those who were dozing) to Vladimir Putin’s malevolence and reminded Americans of how eagerly Trump allied himself with the Russian dictator, personally and politically. Suddenly a lot of Republicans are trying to scurry away from their own pro-Putin record, which may mean distancing themselves from Trump as well. His 2019 withholding of military aid to Ukraine to try to pressure Ukrainian president Zelenskiy into supporting his lies is also being re-examined under the harsh light of this war.

Additionally, Trump is facing many criminal charges, from allegations of financial dirty dealing by the Trump Organization in New York (Trump has called the various probes into the business “politically motivated”), to an investigation into whether Trump and his allies subverted election results in Georgia, where Trump claims election fraud took place. Just last week, the January 6 committee laid out a series of potential charges against the ex-president, including conspiracy to defraud the American people and obstructing an official proceeding of Congress. Trump’s domestic status seems to be shifting rapidly. He is also facing so many lawsuits that both CNN and NBC published indexes of the cases. Last month news broke that Trump had left the White House with classified documents, which he claimed he had a right to take to his home. That could be a felony, though how much appetite the Biden administration has for jailing a former president remains to be seen.

 

Among the large array of civil charges Trump faces are E Jean Carroll’s allegations of defamation over his insult-laden denial that he raped her (he has responded that he was simply responding in the line of “official duties”) and former consigliere Michael Cohen’s case that his return to prison was triggered by Trump after Cohen released a revealing memoir. There are also suits holding Trump responsible for the January 6 insurrection both from members of Congress, and two policemen injured in the mayhem. In February the courts ruled that these civil suits can go forward, and Trump lacks the immunity that would protect him from them. Trump has initiated lawsuits of his own, but a great many have been dismissed, although he is still suing his niece, Mary Trump, for disclosing tax information about him. She in turn is suing him and two of his siblings, alleging that they defrauded her out of much of her inheritance (which they deny).

Though the 14th amendment of the US constitution should ban all insurrectionists from running for elected office, it seems unlikely to be applied to 21st-century candidates the way it was to former Confederates. But still, the Georgia and New York charges are serious. All of which is to say that the road from early 2022 to late 2024 is bumpy for Trump. Popular opinion is fickle; George W Bush is Trump’s age and clearly a permanent has-been. Even Barack Obama, at 60, has strolled offstage.

But even if Trump is not indisputably in the running, Trumpism is running rampant, and it’s a force to contend with in political races across the US. Trump was a super-spreader of his brand of amoral self-interest that tramples fact, truth, law and rights. The man himself is sulking in his private club in Florida – enduring effectual exile from New York, Washington – and Twitter – but to a degree, his work is done. He has got an already corrupt political party to embrace his tactics and values. The brazen lies of prominent figures in the party show that they’ve abandoned all ethics and standards, and will happily violate the oaths they took to uphold the constitution. Viral Trumpism has already merged with conspiracy theories such as QAnon, with anti-vaccine cults, with white supremacists and neo-fascists, and with the gun-fetishising groups that continue to have an ominous presence in public life.

I sometimes think of the American right as a pot on the boil; what’s inside is concentrating as it shrinks. The Republican party has been losing membership for years: a Gallup poll earlier this month reports that 24% of eligible voters are registered Republican, a steady decline over the past 15 years.That’s a reminder that news stories revealing that a majority of Republicans believe something could actually mean that only a small minority of Americans do.

There have been high-profile defections and general atrophy in the age of Trump. That’s the shrinking. But then there’s the concentration that renders those who remain more furious, more closed-minded, more ready to jump on any bandwagon that looks as if it leads to power, and even more rigidly committed to an increasingly rightwing agenda, even though – or maybe because – that means minority rule.

 

For progressives, Republican desperation is a good sign, in its way. A popular party doesn’t have to suppress votes and steal elections. A party aligned with the will of the people doesn’t need to lie and cheat. Trumpism seems like a last gasp, a desperate last chance to hang on to what’s slipping away. The old Soviet-satellite aphorism “You can cut down the flowers but you can’t stop the spring” applies nicely.

The future of this country is white-minority. Yet the Republican party has done its best to alienate everybody else, while the rising majority of Americans support reproductive rightsclimate action and many economic justice measures. The long-term progressive future of the United States seems almost inevitable. But with Trumpism still a force, the short-term future is alarming and unpredictable, and the damage may be lasting; whether it’s the prevention of climate action or the infliction of literal and financial violence on poor and marginalised people.

Enemies of authoritarianism and white supremacy have their work cut out, but the task is clear and straightforward: to protect the democratic process, upholding voting rights and free and fair elections, to try to win those elections for progressive candidates, and to articulate and defend the values behind those objectives.

Trump is treading water, but this is how resistance to Trumpism works, and how it can prevail if enough people work at it hard enough.



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Msg ID: 2732628 Which voice in your head am I answering now? +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 3:13:09 PM

Reply to: 2732623

1.3 percent can't claim to be a defining majority

the majority sez you're a disgusting RINO

meanwhile Buddha and Jetsheep actually believe what they're spouting.

you are not a "conservative"

you are far worse than a simply brainwashed 

useful idiot!

 

 



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Msg ID: 2732630 Which voice in your head am I answering now? +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 3:26:55 PM

Reply to: 2732628

1.3 percent

you and Liz Cheney

and the mouse in your pocket

makes three 

(Disgusting RINOS) 

thats ONE more than our TWO resident 

useful idiots 

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2732641 Which voice in your head am I answering now? +1/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 4:02:13 PM

Reply to: 2732628

1.3 percent can't claim to be a defining majority

Jeez. I feel bad arguing with somebody who can't tell the difference between 51.3% and 1.3% Did you skip everythinig after the second grade?

I'm not bladeslap or Jett. Can't read and can't count.



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Msg ID: 2732649 Disgusting RINO (NT) +2/-1     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 4:30:21 PM

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Msg ID: 2732650 Which voice in your head am I answering now? +3/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 4:36:24 PM

Reply to: 2732641

1.3 percent

the actual number of Biden supporters today

that 51.3 percent is a lie

was then, is now 


and you know it!

Promoting that big lie

is what makes you a 

Disgusting RINO! 



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Msg ID: 2732652 Cite that or accept the fact that you lie. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 4:45:35 PM

Reply to: 2732650

"1.3 percent the actual number of Biden supporters today"

 



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Msg ID: 2732657 Cite that or accept the fact that you lie. +2/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 5:31:40 PM

Reply to: 2732652

Yup that's about right 

nobody has more buyers remorse than an honest 

"woke"

Useful idiot 

( except for lying scum like you, disgusting RINO!) 



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Msg ID: 2732721 You cited a specific number. Cite the source or you're a liar. (NT) +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2022 10:34:41 AM

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Msg ID: 2732732 You cited a specific number. Cite the source or you're a liar. +1/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/17/2022 10:53:25 AM

Reply to: 2732721

Fuck you

Disgusting RINO!!



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Msg ID: 2732742 Typical Trumpist. All you have is blind rage and hate. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2022 11:30:15 AM

Reply to: 2732732

Asked for challenging specifics, youo revert to name-calling. As doesThe Donald. He is not capable of being the POTUS now, if he ever was.



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Msg ID: 2732745 Typical Trumpist. All you have is blind rage and hate. +2/-2     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/17/2022 11:32:38 AM

Reply to: 2732742

You aren't worthy of a serious response

Dosgusting RINO



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Msg ID: 2732751 You cited a specific number. Cite the source or you're a liar. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2022 11:53:43 AM

Reply to: 2732745

Admit that you fabricated your data. 

 

You aren't worthy of a serious response

Repeating extreme right wing white nationalist screed isn't "a serious response" anymore than a rat squealing in the trap is  "a serious response".

 

Dosgusting RINO (sic)

I do indeed lean Republican. You are not conservative- extreme right nationalism is not conservative, it's radical reaction.

 

Speaking of RINOs, Truymp has proposed forming a separate "Party of Trump" because he is a good conservative Republican? You make me laugh.

 



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