If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
| Msg ID: 2732585 |
How close we were to losing our democracy +2/-1
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| Author:bladeslap
6/16/2022 11:53:09 AM |
Conservative Judge testifies today You people dont know just how close we were to losing it You are blinded (old guy flipper and angry man) by your love of Trump, who is actually a poison and extremely self-serving human being. You don't realize how blind you are - Open your eyes - Extreme conservative judges coming out and testifying about just how close we came. Get out of your shells ... shed your egos. LISTEN to the facts..not what you want to believe |
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| Msg ID: 2732597 |
Do you understand the difference between facts and opinion? (NT) +1/-2
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| Author:Old Guy
6/16/2022 12:41:14 PM Reply to: 2732585 |
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| Msg ID: 2732598 |
Tell us that the January 6 insurrection didn't happen. (NT) +2/-1
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| Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 12:42:28 PM Reply to: 2732597 |
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| Msg ID: 2732606 |
There was NO insurrection! +1/-2
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| Author:Old Guy
6/16/2022 1:02:09 PM Reply to: 2732598 |
Sure some people demonstrating and got out of control and entered the Capital Building and there was minor damage! But the was NO insurrection. There is NO proof of a insurrection Just made up crap! No one will be charge for an insurrection, NO one has been charge with a insurrection, there is no proof of one. because one didn't happen! How can you even back a hand picked comittee is beyound any common sense! How You cannot support any fairness in the comittee is beyound any common sense! The comittee has openly lied and doctored evidence, it is beyound common sense to believe anything they say or do! But then, you are a useful idiot!
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| Msg ID: 2732609 |
"There was NO insurrection!" Okay, ATTEMPTED insurrection. +2/-1
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| Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 1:10:25 PM Reply to: 2732606 |
Unless you have another name for attacking Congress to prevent them doing their Constitutional duty. Wait, yeah- Seditious conspiracy. That's better, isn't it? A distinction without a difference. 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracySept. 13, 1994
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
A second Oath Keeper pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6 riotApril 29, 20222:44 PM ET 
Rioters loyal to President Donald Trump rally at the U.S. Capitol in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021. Brian Ulrich, a Georgia man affiliated with the Oath Keepers militia group, became the second Capitol rioter to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy for his actions leading up and through the attack. A member of the far-right Oath Keepers extremist group has pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and obstruction in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol and agreed to cooperate with the government. Brian Ulrich entered his guilty plea at a virtual hearing Friday in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. The 44-year-old from Guyton, Ga., is the second Oath Keeper to plead guilty to sedition charges in the highest-profile case to emerge from the federal investigation into the Capitol riot. Ulrich is one of 11 Oath Keepers, including the group's founder Stewart Rhodes, to be charged with seditious conspiracy and other crimes for allegedly plotting to use force to prevent Congress' Jan. 6 certification of President Biden's election win. Now, five months before the case is set to go trial, prosecutors have secured the cooperation of two members of the alleged conspiracy to help build their prosecution against the remaining defendants. "Did you do that sir, agree with Mr. Rhodes and develop a plan to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power by Jan. 20, 2021?" Judge Amit Mehta asked at Friday's hearing. "Yes, your honor," Ulrich replied. At one point during the proceedings, Judge Mehta stopped while explaining the maximum sentences for each count and asked whether Ulrich needed a moment. "I'm alright," Ulrich said. "Are you sure?" Mehta asked. "It's not going to get any easier," Ulrich replied. Mehta said the estimated guidelines range for Ulrich's sentence is 63 to 78 months, or just over 5 years to 7 ½ years. According to the statement of offense, Ulrich joined an Oath Keepers encrypted chat group in late November of 2020 in which members, including Ulrich, talked about a possible civil war if Biden were inaugurated. Ulrich later was added to an encrypted Oath Keepers group chat entitled "DC OP: Jan 6 21" that included Rhodes. The members used the chat to plan their travel to Washington, D.C. for Jan. 6. They also discussed what gear to bring, including radios, helmets and weapons. On the day itself, after the pro-Trump mob had breached the Capitol doors and was streaming inside, Ulrich and several of his co-defendants hopped into golf carts and drove to the Capitol wearing tactical gear and goggles. Once there, they formed a military stack-style formation and forced their way up the steps and into the building. Ulrich left the Capitol after being hit with chemical spray by police officers trying to protect the complex. |
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| Msg ID: 2732610 |
"There was NO insurrection!" You must be so proud of your 'patriotic' +2/-1
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| Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 1:19:52 PM Reply to: 2732606 |
You must be so proud of your 'patriotic' attempt to overturn a popular election, the very foundation of America. Does any of this sound like an American politician grounded in the American system of elections? The sitting president who endorsed a violent mob protest of the election? Trump is a liar, a cheat and a thief wannabe autocrat.
The 9 most notable comments Trump has made about accepting the election resultsThe president has repeatedly cast doubt on the integrity of the 2020 election. President Donald Trump’s refusal Wednesday to guarantee that he would accept the results and exit the White House if he is defeated caused an explosion of outrage andput congressional Republicans on the defensive about what would otherwise be a fundamental assumption of a democratic system. It also ratcheted up tensions amid a burgeoning Supreme Court fight that is sure to further embitter both sides of the political spectrum, as Trump has said he wants a successor to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in place in time to adjudicate possible legal disputes over contested election results. But for months Trump has raised doubts about the integrity of this year’s elections, accusing Democrats of going to great lengths to skew results in their favor andmaking it a recurring theme in his reelection campaign — while providing little evidence to back up his grievous assertions. He’s also off-handedly mused on a handful of occasions about getting more than the constitutionally permitted eight years in office because of thetime in his first term “stolen” from him due to former special counsel Robert Muller’s investigation — comments that also raised concerns about Trump’s commitment to the limits of presidential terms. White House press secretary Kaleigh McEnaney on Thursday declared that the president “will accept the result of a free and fair election,” though Trump himself has claimed he will lose only if he is cheated out of victory. It’s familiar ground for Trump, who in2016 also took a wait-and-see approach to questions about whether he would accept the results of the election that ultimately went his way and has frequently adopted a never-say-never position to legislation, personnel moves and other decisions. Here are some of Trump’s most notable statements casting doubt on the coming Nov. 3 election. Sept. 24, from the White House lawn“We have to be very careful with the ballots,” Trump said, when asked whether the election results are legitimate only if he wins. “The ballots, that’s a whole big scam.” “We want to make sure the election is honest, and I am not sure that it can be. I don’t know that it can be with this whole situation of unsolicited ballots.” Sept. 23, during a White House press briefing“We’re going to have to see what happens,” the president said, when asked whether he’d commit to a peaceful transfer of power, “win, lose, or draw.” “You know, I’ve been complaining about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster.” “And the ballots are out of control,” he continued. “You know it. And you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats.” Earlier in the day, during a meeting with state attorneys general and Republican senators to discuss looming litigation against major tech companies. “I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it’s a scam [and] this scam will be before the United States Supreme Court,” Trump said. “And I think having a 4-4 situation is not a good situation.” Sept. 13, during a Nevada campaign rally“The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said. Aug. 24, during his Republican National Convention acceptance speech“The only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election,” Trump said. Aug. 2, in atelevised interview with Axios journalist Jonathan Swan“There is no way you can go through a mail-in vote without massive cheating,” Trump said, when asked what it would look like if a sitting president didn’t accept the election results. “You could have a case where this election won’t be decided on the evening of November 3rd. This election could be decided two months later. It could be decided many months later. ... You know why? Because lots of things will happen during that period of time, especially when you have tight margins. Lots of things can happen. There’s never been anything like this.” Aug. 17, at a rally in Wisconsin“The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember that,” Trump said. “It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election. So we have to be careful.“ “The only way they’re going to win is that way, and we can’t let that happen.” July 30 via Twitter“With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history,”Trump wrote. “It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???” Trump tried to clarify his tweet later that day, saying, “Do I want to see a day change? No, but I don’t want to see a crooked election,” before doubling down in a tweet hours later. “Must know Election results on the night of the Election, not days, months, or even years later!”Trump wrote. July 19 interview on “Fox News Sunday”Asked directly by host Chris Wallace whether he would accept the results of the election, Trump said he’d “have to see” and “it depends.” “I’m not going to just say yes,” Trump said. “I’m not going to say no.” “Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election?” Wallace asked in a follow up. “No. I have to see,” Trump said. |
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| Msg ID: 2732615 |
Do you understand the difference between facts and opinion? +3/-1
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| Author:bladeslap
6/16/2022 2:13:36 PM Reply to: 2732597 |
Is it a fact or opinion that you are brainwashed? Technically we can say it's an opinion that you are clueless...but then we look at all the lies you have posted and can conclude that based on all your lies, we can logically conclude your foundation is like jello |
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| Msg ID: 2732697 |
I agree with you mod.We are very close to losing our democracy +1/-2
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| Author:observer II
6/17/2022 7:02:53 AM Reply to: 2732585 |
However, it certainly isn't the conservatives that are causing what is happening to our great nation. Just think about it. Which party is bailing out criminals and not holding them accountable for their crimes. Which party supports and encourages violent rioting and destruction caused by hate groups like BLM & ANTIFA. Which party was unconstitutionally forcing Americans to get an experimental shot or lose their job which destroyed countless families and careers. Which party encouraged harrassing our supreme court justices (conservative judges only). And then refused to provide additional security. Which party actually threatened our supreme court judges (chucky schumer) and didn't so much as get a slap on the hand for his treasonous act. Which party cheated to get a puppet in the oval office. A man that has no clue how to run a snow cone stand, let alone a country. The proof is obvious and plentiful but the threats to individuals apparently has more influence on people then one might hope. A chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Let's keep in mind that these are only a few examples of democratic strong arming in order to achieve their goal of complete control. The liberals are always crying about how the big bad republicans are causing all this. But we both know who really is. Don't we? You still enjoying paying an average of $450/mo more than you used to. Yeah, pay them there Jersey taxes with a smile as well. You can't defend your position moderator. Call us angry, uninformed, and every other name in the book. But it doesn't change what you voted for. Worst president in history |
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| Msg ID: 2732723 |
Which party is proposing destroying the country to save it? +2/-1
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| Author:TheCrow
6/17/2022 10:37:18 AM Reply to: 2732697 |
Trumplicans, who like to claim hyper-patriotism. a/k/a blind fanaticism. |
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| Msg ID: 2732731 |
Which party is proposing destroying the country to save it? +2/-2
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| Author:Shooting Shark
6/17/2022 10:51:57 AM Reply to: 2732723 |
The positions you support are verybsestructione. Classical "destabilization phase" of a communist takeover. folloewd by the "demoralization phase" follower by the "consolidation phase" during which violet snd draconian reprisals are imposed by the revolutionaries against their now dissenting former supporters and "counterrevolutionaries" alike. In short look where all this destabilizing influence has originated.. ThE LEFT and their corporate and private wealthy sponsors To answer your question: yes, the criminal radical LEFT would destroy the country-. For fun and PROFIT and since you actually support ThAT and you falsely claim to ba a conservative youre dismissed today by the vast majority opinion today as a Disgusting RINO. |
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| Msg ID: 2732744 |
You're describing the Trumpist process perfectly. (NT) +2/-0
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| Author:TheCrow
6/17/2022 11:32:35 AM Reply to: 2732731 |
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