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Msg ID: 2732617 Trump comes full circle with celebration of Jan. 6 rioters +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 2:38:08 PM
Donald J Trump, the 'very stable jenius' has figured out how to be on all sides of the January 6 capital riots-  "... their attack “represented the greatest movement in the history of our Country to Make America Great Again.”
 
And when they take up arms in an active rebellion, will he speak as highly of the troops who put them down, saving the American union once again from dissolution?
 
Perhaps Florida isn't far enough south for Trump...
 
Image: Donald Trump
Then President Donald Trump arrives to speak to supporters near the White House, on Jan. 6, 2021.Brendan Smialowski / AFP - Getty Images file

Trump comes full circle with celebration of Jan. 6 rioters

On Jan. 6, Donald Trump professed his love for Jan. 6 rioters. After a lengthy detour, the Republican is right back where he started.
 
June 10, 2022, 3:34 PM EDT

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Donald Trump seems to realize that the Jan. 6 committee, its evidence, and its presentations are a major public event. The former president also seems to have some understanding of how devastating the case against him is.

As a New York Times analysis of last night’s primetime hearing explained, “In the entire 246-year history of the United States, there was surely never a more damning indictment presented against an American president than outlined on Thursday night in a cavernous congressional hearing room where the future of democracy felt on the line.”

 

With this in mind, the Republican is eager to push back against the revelations. As Yahoo News noted, it led Trump to publish a striking message to his social platform yesterday. The missive read in part:

“The Unselect Committee didn’t spend one minute studying the reason that people went to Washington, D.C., in massive numbers, far greater than the Fake News Media is willing to report, or that the Unselects are willing to even mention, because January 6th was not simply a protest, it represented the greatest movement in the history of our Country to Make America Great Again.”

 

So, a few things.

First, that is a very long, 63-word sentence.

Second, the bipartisan select committee didn’t scrutinize Trump’s discredited election conspiracy theories because — and this is important — they’re discredited election conspiracy theories.

Third, I loved the former president’s complaint about journalists not reporting about how “massive” the Jan. 6 crowd was because, as he’s made painfully clear, no detail about Jan. 6 is more important to Trump than the number of people who showed up for his pre-riot rally.

But putting all of that aside, what obviously stands out about the Republican’s message yesterday was his insistence that Jan. 6 “represented the greatest movement in the history of our Country to Make America Great Again.”

With this assertion, Trump effectively came full circle.

During the attack on the U.S. Capitol, the then-president sat on his hands and ignored calls to intervene. More than three hours after the violence began, Trump released a video urging his mob of radicalized followers to disperse.

But even then, the Republican made clear that he and the rioters were on the same side. In the video he released at the time, Trump told his supporters that there had been “an election that was stolen from us.” He added, “We love you. You’re very special.”

Circling back to our earlier coverage, it was soon after when the then-president started to realize that this, at least at the time, was a politically untenable position: Regardless of party or ideology, every prominent political voice agreed that participating in an insurrectionist riot inside the nation’s seat of government was indefensible.

And so, Trump, mindful of the public’s revulsion toward the assault, shifted his message in order to be seen as a mainstream figure. As regular readers know, the then-president said on Jan. 7, “Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem.” He went on to describe the riot as a “heinous attack.”

Reading from a prepared text, Trump added, “The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy.... To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: You do not represent our country, and to those who broke the law: You will pay.”

Five days later, the Republican condemned the “mob [that] stormed the Capitol and trashed the halls of government.” On the final full day of his term, again reading from a script, Trump added, “All Americans were horrified by the assault on our Capitol. Political violence is an attack on everything we cherish as Americans. It can never be tolerated.”

In the months that followed, Trump struggled to keep up the pretense that he almost certainly never believed in the first place. By May 2021, the former president was suggesting the rioters were victims. He eventually started describing them as “patriots.” Around the same time, the former president broached the subject of extending pardons to convicted radicals.

And now, the multi-step process has brought Trump back to the beginning:

  1. Trump “loved” the rioters.
  2. Trump then condemned the rioters’ “heinous attack.”
  3. Trump then said the rioters may not have been so bad after all.
  4. Trump then said the rioters are innocent “patriots” and their attack “represented the greatest movement in the history of our Country to Make America Great Again.”

Presidential historian Michael Beschloss wrote yesterday about what future Americans might say about Jan. 6, and the degree to which the answer depends on whether the United States is a democracy or an autocracy. “If the latter,” Beschloss wrote, “the nation’s authoritarian leaders might celebrate January 6 as one of great days in U.S. history.”

One former president apparently doesn’t need to wait for the future to draw such a conclusion.



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Msg ID: 2732631 Trump comes full circle with celebration of Jan. 6 rioters +0/-3     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 3:36:32 PM

Reply to: 2732617

In terms of reasons today

to incite a rebellion 

gas prices 

and downstream inflation

are Bidens doing!!!

fake election

you know it

Dimesh Dsousa proved it!

ain't a judge in the country

had the stones 

to hear it...

Mike Pence

A traitor in the house of the rihjteous! 

 

Trump isn't the problem 

Trump isn't the issue

MAGA is the issue.

 

you tools are off Your meds

Cant wait till November!!!

Useful idiots! 

 



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Msg ID: 2732642 Trump comes full circle with celebration of Jan. 6 rioters +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 4:06:03 PM

Reply to: 2732631

So... $5 a gallon for gas is a problem?

Energy prices around the world are going up. And they're 'sticky'

 

Don't buy gas.

Walk.

Bike.

Buy an electric car.

Or bang your head on the floor uselessly and tell us it feels better when you stop.

 



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Msg ID: 2732644 P.S. average price in Georgia $4.497 down from $4.499 yesterday. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 4:08:48 PM

Reply to: 2732642

Or hold your breath till you pass out. That's real popular with toddlers.



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Msg ID: 2732667 Hey Dipshit +3/-3     
Author:Shooting Shark
6/16/2022 6:47:22 PM

Reply to: 2732642

Gas prices affect everything

AND YOU KNOW IT.

Food shortages:

electric  tractors?

electric semi trucks?

electric airliners? 

you're a fucking moron

inflation taxes the poor 

why do you Libz hate babies

( formula shortages) 

why do you Libz hate school children

( sign sez " gun free zone " no guards or locks) 

why do you Libz hate black people

( abortion  is the # 1 killer of black babies) 

why do you Libz hate the poor

( massive illegal immigration, suppresses wages)

( massive inflation, makes basic needs unattainable)

IN SHORT

You deceived Libz voted for this! 

IN SHORT

you know better, 

you lying, 

Disgusting RINO! 

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2732746 "Hey Dipshit" Losing your temper is stupid. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2022 11:46:28 AM

Reply to: 2732667

Energy prices around the world are sky-rocketing. 

The American POTUS can't control the world, can he? Remember the Wuhan Flu?

Remember Trump saying shyte like:

 

Feb. 10, 2020

“Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

Feb. 24, 2020

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… the Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb. 25, 2020

“CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

Feb. 25, 2020

“I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

Feb. 26, 2020

“The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

Feb. 26, 2020

“We're going very substantially down, not up.”

Feb. 26, 2020

“Well, we're testing everybody that we need to test. And we're finding very little problem. Very little problem.”

Feb. 26, 2020

"This is a flu. This is like a flu."

Feb. 27, 2020

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 27, 2020

“The ineptness with which the Trump Administration approached this problem is not only serious, it can be deadly if not changed in the approach.” – Rep. Lloyd Doggett [During a hearing, Rep. Doggett questions HHS Sec. Azar on Trump's refusal to take this virus seriously, warning about mask and test shortages]

Feb. 28, 2020

“We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

 

And now, more than a million Americans are dead. We have had the highest number of infections since the get-gone. Twice the nearest nations numbers.

We have the highest Covid death rate of any G20 country.

All this in a country with excellent communication and world class medical science and facilities. And we had  a POTUS who had never directed any organization with a board of directors, who had always been the sole authority in the organization. 

He failed at that, as well. His 'success', his fortune is entirely his father's legacy. He attempted to embezzle from his own foundation, did he not?

Trump is and always was a liar, a cheat a thief and a white feather jingo draft dodger. He's love to send your kids to die defending America instead of going himself.

He was asked during his presidency which foot's heelspurs prevented his serving our country and he couldn't remember which foot it was or whether it was both.



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Msg ID: 2732646 Trump comes full circle with celebration of Jan. 6 rioters +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
6/16/2022 4:15:16 PM

Reply to: 2732631

Dimesh Dsousa proved it!

Now I know which voice in your head I'm talking to- the loudest one.

 

ain't a judge in the country had the stones to hear it..

And no court in the country will dignify Trump's election denial with a hearing. Why? Because it's bullsh.

 

 

A documentary directed by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza claims it can prove widespread fraud was carried out during the 2020 presidential election in the United States. Reuters Fact Check examined the main claims presented in the film and did not find any concrete evidence definitively showing proof of fraud.

The 90-minute film "2000 Mules" sees D’Souza team up with True the Vote, a Texas-based nonprofit that describes itself as protecting election integrity (www.truethevote.org/about/), to investigate alleged voter fraud in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

All five of the listed states were swing states in 2020 that ultimately backed Joe Biden for president - and were later central to baseless speculations of fraud.

Reuters has covered this topic extensively (here) and (here), as well as in fact checks (here), (here) and (here).

D’Souza’s documentary says Biden victories in swing states could be thanks to 2,000 people – or “mules” – who were hired by unnamed nonprofits - dubbed “stash houses” - to conduct “ballot trafficking”, i.e.: stuffing numerous drop boxes with potentially fake absentee ballots.

It also alleges that the so-called “mules” were paid $10 for every fake ballot they submitted.

D’Souza did not respond to multiple requests for comment from Reuters.

THE METHODOLOGY

D’Souza and True the Vote analyzed surveillance footage of drop boxes mostly from Georgia, as well as “some” from Arizona, along with “geotracking” data purchased from unnamed brokers.

The “geotracking” data was gleaned from cellphone apps pinpointing device location and movements between Oct. 1, 2020, and election day, Nov. 3, for Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to the documentary. Data for Georgia stretched until January, when there was a runoff vote.

The documentary alleges that by tracking phone locations to the addresses of five alleged “stash house” nonprofits and 10 or more drop boxes, the “mules” were identified.

There were 242 people in Atlanta, Georgia, who fitted the bill; 200+ in Arizona; 100 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin; 500+ in Michigan, and 1,000+ mules in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – totaling over 2,000 “mules”.

Viewers were then shown multiple surveillance footage clips of different people at drop boxes, which the documentary said it had identified as some of the ballot traffickers carrying out their crimes.

GEOTRACKING

Multiple concerns were raised by experts speaking to Reuters about the “geotracking” portion of the documentary. It was unclear whether the same test was applied anywhere other than the swing states in question (to prove a unique phenomenon had happened), along with data validity, accuracy, and discussion about other possibilities that could explain the findings.

“The entirety of the claim rests on cell phone location data, which doesn’t remotely show that people were actually using the drop boxes (it doesn’t have the granularity to show that, as opposed to just walking or even driving by),” said Kenneth R Mayer, Professor of Political Science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who spoke to Reuters via email.

According to True the Vote founder Catherine Engelbrecht, who spoke in the documentary, the dataset had been validated because it was used by the organization to solve two murder cases that were “ebbing on cold case status”.

 

Only one murder case was detailed as an example in the documentary – that of eight-year-old Secoriea Turner on July 4, 2020, in Atlanta – and which authorities told NPR was solved without anything to do with Engelbrecht (here).

D’Souza, meanwhile, claimed without offering evidence that the dataset had the “reliability of a fingerprint”, expanding in a later podcast interview that it was accurate to between “12 and 18 inches” (here).

Experts speaking to Reuters disagreed.

“I have never heard that geotracking using cell phones could have errors as low as 12-18 inches,” said Chen Qian, Associate Professor at the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at University of California, Santa Cruz. “This range is way below the ranges reported by scientists and engineers.

“A research paper written by AT&T and Purdue University researchers in 2020 predicted that the average location error of 5G networks would vary from 2 meters to >10 meters,” said Qian. “Note their results are simulated results in ideal settings, used for predictions. They are not real experiments, because 5G has not been available everywhere. In real environments the errors would be larger.” (here)

Moreover, drop boxes tend to be in high-traffic areas such as public libraries, shopping malls, municipal buildings, or schools. For example, a map of drop boxes in the five metro Atlanta counties of Fulton, DeKalb, Cobb, Gwinnett and Clayton shows that all are clustered in busy locations likely to have high cell phone activity (here).

“My local drop box is in my public library, a location I pass probably 20 or 30 times a week,” said Paul Gronke, Director of the Elections and Voting Information Center at Reed College in Oregon (evic.reed.edu/). “Did I deposit 20 ballots or is my drop box on a heavily trafficked street? You tell me.”

True the Vote said in the documentary it had ruled out people where it believed their “pattern of life” outside the election period involved travelling to nonprofits and drop box locations. They did not offer information on how they did this or who these people were.

However, Barry C Burden, Director of the Elections Research Centre at the University of Wisconsin- Madison (elections.wisc.edu/), told Reuters via email that there were still acceptable reasons for observed heightened activity during election periods.

He said: “Some of the individuals tracked might even have been election workers checking on or emptying the drop boxes, so it would be a sign of vigilance by election officials rather than nefarious behavior.”

SURVEILLANCE VIDEO

To corroborate the geotracking dataset, True the Vote said it had compared it with surveillance video covering locations of some of the drop boxes.

They claimed to have access to 4 million minutes of footage, which was mostly from Georgia. The documentary makers said some of the surveillance cameras were turned off in Arizona and that there was no footage from Wisconsin. No information was provided about surveillance footage from Michigan or Pennsylvania.

Reuters was unable to examine these alleged minutes of footage, but the videoclips presented in the documentary alone do not provide proof of fraud.

When Reuters asked Engelbrecht via email how “mules” identified via geotracking data were then matched to surveillance footage, she responded: “Matches are made by comparing the location and time stamp of the video to the location and the time stamp of the individual device.”

The documentary shows several surveillance clips said to reveal “mules” stuffing fake ballots in the drop boxes.

 

In one clip, a couple of ballots appear to drop to the floor as one man goes to post; the documentary makers suggest this is suspicious, as well as the man allegedly posting the ballots late at night.

In another, a woman wearing a face mask and gloves is seen posting a ballot before turning to place her gloves in a nearby bin. It is claimed in the documentary that she is a “mule” because she was wearing gloves (to hide her fingerprints) and did not look at the bin, so must have had prior knowledge of it being there. The documentary makers did not appear to consider the possibility that the woman was wearing gloves, along with her face mask, as a personal protective measure against COVID-19.

The unidentified woman was also said to have visited “dozens and dozens” of drop boxes; however, no other clips of her, nor any further evidence, were shown.

Two other clips show men in separate locations taking photos of themselves posting their ballot, which the documentary makers allege was to provide evidence of the job done so the “mules” can get paid.

In a Fox News interview, Engelbrecht claimed the average number of visits by a "mule" to a drop box was 38 (here). Yet none of the surveillance videos showed the same person more than once.

BALLOT HARVESTING VS FRAUDULENT BALLOTS

Some of the people in Georgia who were presented in surveillance footage as so-called “mules” were seen posting more than one ballot at once, which the documentary makers suggested was proof of voter fraud.

But this doesn’t necessarily constitute fraud. Ballot harvesting, the posting of completed ballots on behalf of a third party, is legal in several states, including Georgia (n-thhere).

“Some of the so-called “mules” might have been legitimate family members putting in ballots in Georgia,” said Theodore Allen, Associate Professor at Ohio State University, specializing in the administering of elections.

“Many people need encouragement to vote and offering to collect and bring to ballot boxes is, in many states, a legal and legitimate way to increase voter participation which is often low.”

Reuters also spoke to M.V. (Trey) Hood III, Professor in the Department of Political Science at the University of Georgia, to understand the legality around dropping off multiple ballots. He said that issues of ballot harvesting and fraud have been conflated, and there are protections in place in Georgia to prevent the posting of fraudulent ballots.

“[In Georgia] In 2020 we were using signature verification to verify absentee ballots, so there were safety mechanisms in place to ensure it wasn’t a fraudulent ballot.”

He added: “I haven’t seen any hard evidence being offered up that these ballots were fraudulent.”

Reuters looked into a video posted in May claiming to show one such “mule”. Pennsylvania county authorities debunked the “evidence” by confirming it showed a designated agent dropping ballots off on behalf of individuals who are unable to (here).

Ultimately, ‘2000 Mules’ speculates that the so-called ballot-traffickers were dropping off fraudulent ballots – but the film does not prove this. The ‘faked’ ballots were never opened and inspected, nor were the suspected “mules” on surveillance questioned, aside from one anonymous “informant” who says she never saw inside the supposed fraudulent ballots.

 

COULD BALLOTS BE FORGED?

The documentary claims its investigation reveals the potential existence of 380,000 overall fraudulent ballots. And, it claims, if all of these contained falsified votes for Joe Biden, the revelation is significant enough to have blocked a win by Donald Trump.

Listing all of the steps needed to falsify a ballot, Gronke told Reuters: “1) You need a falsified ballot with a unique bar code, printed on special paper, and a special envelope. If the claim is that you’ve somehow obtained 400,000 original ballots without the elections officials or voters knowing, how precisely did you do this?

“2) You need to successfully forge the voter’s signature. 3) You need to deposit the envelope and have it validated by a local official.

“Congratulations! Besides committing a felony, you have now cast ONE fraudulent ballot. Now you need to figure out how to do that hundreds of thousands of times, in different jurisdictions, with different ballot styles and different voting materials.”

Gronke’s sentiments were echoed by Christopher B. Mann, Associate Professor of Political Science at Skidmore College, who told Reuters: “If there are 400,000 people who had their ballot collected and returned for nefarious reasons, there should be significant numbers of people willing to tell their story. It is hard for two people to keep a secret. Asserting that 400,000 people are keeping a secret is beyond credibility.”

Reuters has previously explored the safeguards in place that make forging ballots on behalf of others difficult (here), (here).

2020 ELECTION FOUND SAFE AND SECURE

False claims pedaled by former U.S. President Donald Trump and his followers blaming widespread voting fraud for the 2020 election results have been rejected by courts, state governments and members of his own former administration (here).

U.S. election security officials have said the election was “the most secure in American history” (here), (here).

Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr, the nation's top law enforcement official under Trump, said on Dec. 1, 2020, that he had not seen any evidence of fraud that would have changed the election results (here).

Furthermore, more than 50 lawsuits brought by Trump or his allies alleging election fraud or other irregularities were dismissed by state and federal judges (here).

VERDICT

The documentary “2000 Mules” does not provide any concrete, verifiable evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. Technology and election integrity experts consulted by Reuters also did not find the geolocation, surveillance or any other information presented showed plausible evidence of fraud.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .



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Msg ID: 2732699 Come on crofraud, let's hear Liz Chaney again with her lies. +3/-2     
Author:observer II
6/17/2022 7:10:26 AM

Reply to: 2732617

SHe is the definition of a hateful liberal tool.

She does what every lib does. They cherry pick an incident, and edit to their liking.

She telsl the people that Trump did nothing to prevent the Jan 6th tour of the capitol. She even quotes what he said.

Only she forgot to quote everything he said. She conveniently left out the part where he said to leave peacefully.

Ooooops! Did I leave that part out. My bad

Explain why the police were holding the doors open encouraging and welcoming people through the doors. In fact they helped people up the steps. Gee, wasn't that nice.

But we do like the pictures taken out of context trying to portrait the event as violent. That was a real touch of class boys.

Funny how you left the part out where one of your black officers shot and killed an unarmed white woman with her bck to him. Yeah, classic lib. A coward that should be in prison right now. But hey, white people are  expendable. Move on, nothing to see here!!!!!!!



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Msg ID: 2732728 You confuse Trumpism with conservatism, Republicanism. +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
6/17/2022 10:45:41 AM

Reply to: 2732699

Trump was no more a Republican than I am a car when I'm in my garage.

The intention is also exactly the same- get out of the weather, in his case avoid being attacked by actual conservative Republicans who bought the shiny lure he presented. You're still hooked, can't throw it and he's jerking you around.

Liz Cheney, Paul Bunyan, this is about nobody but Trump.

Dissemble, deny and divert attention, frog boy. Trump is a liar, a cheat and a thief whose inaction increased the American Covid death toll to a million plus. Almost himself.

Trummp directly incited and gloated about January 6.m He wanted violent chaos in the nation is support of his continuing in office, even if it was for the time it took to control his minions. That would also allow him time to create conditions so he could continue the emergency.



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Msg ID: 2732932 Still obssessed with Trump I see. Following your lefty leader budha off the +1/-1     
Author:observer II
6/19/2022 9:55:11 AM

Reply to: 2732728

cliff of insanity.

WHy are you so obssessed with Trumps polical status. Republican, democrat, independent........who gives a crap.

Oh yeah, you do, lol :)

No one here could care less crofraud. Why you fixate on that is mind numbing.

Trump was one of the best presidents this country has ever seen.

It has always been said that a businessman should be running the country. And those people were 100% correct.

I thought at one time Ross Perot would have been a good POTUS, but it turned out he was a nutcase. So we'll never know.

But Trump proved that a businessman was exactly what this country needed.

Wages were up, virtually no unemployment to speak of, veterans were starting to get the care they needed, we were no longer the stepping stone for other countries, leaders were held responsible and paying their fair share which took the burden off the American people. So many examples of success.

But you lefties hated him because he wasn't an elegant speaker.

Well boys, now you appointed a dementia ridden old man that can't even read a piece of paper without tripping over his own tongue. And why haven't you criticized the old geezer for that?????

Your lost cro, get found.



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