Click here to close
New Message Alert
List Entire Thread
Msg ID: 2735451 10 year old abortion  +4/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/12/2022 12:42:38 PM

The big story about the 10 year old that was rapped and had to go to a different state to obtain a abortion, turns out to be a lie.

Biden and the news jumped all over this story, WHY?

It does "NO GOOD" to make up stories to support your issues.  Or maybe you should take a look before you get on the bandwagon.  Because the bandwagon you are on is going down hill.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735461 State your sources? Are we supposed to trust you? (NT) +5/-1     
Author:bladeslap
7/12/2022 3:08:58 PM

Reply to: 2735451


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735473 State your sources? Are we supposed to trust you? +2/-4     
Author:Old Guy
7/12/2022 4:30:07 PM

Reply to: 2735461

Who do you trust?  

It can't be the democrats because they lie to you on a daily basis.

It can't be the so called main stream news out let's, because they made the story up in the first place.

So who do you trust?

Of course rape and a abortion of a 10 year old is going to be controlled information.  Makes you question how some new sources even got any information about it.  

Fox News has checked into it and found, NO INFORMATION.  Doctors, by law, must file a criminal report when medical care is given for chid abuse.  Rape of a 10 year old requires the doctor to file a criminal report, to the police.

 NO REPORT HAS BEEN FILED.

fake news!

 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735477 Try trusting real news outlets (NT) +3/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/12/2022 5:11:55 PM

Reply to: 2735473


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735517 "Fox News" - And you're telling us that as well +3/-2     
Author:bladeslap
7/13/2022 7:39:32 AM

Reply to: 2735473

This is why your logic is so flawed

First, teh fact they haven't found the girl doesnt mean she doesnt exist

Second, post an article so we can read it ...

It's like saying "Officer, a deer crossed the road, that's why I swerved and hit the guardrail" ... OFficer says "I don't see any deer" ... 

Second, FOX news lies about everying. The 'stop the steal'...

So, you get zero points on this



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735474 10 year old abortion  +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/12/2022 4:30:36 PM

Reply to: 2735451

The big story about the 10 year old that was rapped and had to go to a different state to obtain a abortion, turns out to be a lie.

It's a single-source uncorroborated story. That does not make it "a lie".  Prove that it was an intentional statement intended to deceive- that would make it a lie.

SNOPES:

Dozens of Snopes readers searched our site or contacted us wondering whether that had actually happened. To find out, we reached out to Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an obstetrician-gynecologist based in Indianapolis and who spoke to The Columbus Dispatch, about the headline-generating story. As of this writing, Bernard had not returned our request for an interview, and we had not been able to independently corroborate the abortion claim. If we receive additional information, will update this post.

Speaking to the Ohio newspaper, Bernard said she was contacted by a colleague in Ohio, a doctor who treats child-abuse victims, for help three days after the high court’s Roe decision. The doctor told Bernard, according to her retelling, that a 10-year-old patient was six weeks pregnant, needed an abortion, and was unable to terminate the pregnancy in Ohio due to the state’s post-Roe law.

According to the Dispatch, the child was able to travel to Indiana, and Bernard carried out the procedure under the state’s laws on abortion at the time.

 

 

Biden and the news jumped all over this story, WHY?

For the same reason Trump claimed to see Middle Easterners celebrating 9/11 on a roof top.

 

It does "NO GOOD" to make up stories to support your issues.  Or maybe you should take a look before you get on the bandwagon.  Because the bandwagon you are on is going down hill.

Yeah, "... the bandwagon you are on is going down hill." Trump, the incumbent POTUS lost 46.9% to 51.3% of the popular vote. To Joe Biden. Sounds like the "bandwagon" rolled right over the Trumpcamp.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735483 None of your post confirmed the abortion, it’s fake news (NT) +3/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/12/2022 5:43:41 PM

Reply to: 2735474


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735484 None of your post confirmed the abortion, it’s fake news +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/12/2022 5:44:18 PM

Reply to: 2735483

None of the posts denie



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735488 None of your post confirmed the abortion, it’s fake news +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/12/2022 5:53:04 PM

Reply to: 2735483

A single source report. No refutation and no confirmation.

You jump to assumptions and claim fact without evidence.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735489 NO POLICE REPORT FILED (NT) +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/12/2022 5:56:41 PM

Reply to: 2735488


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735490 NO POLICE REPORT FILED  +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/12/2022 6:12:01 PM

Reply to: 2735489

Most rapes and sexual attacks are not, repeat- not reported.

Rape and Sexual Assault: Reporting to Police and Medical Attention, 1992-2000



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735491 NO POLICE REPORT FILED  +3/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/12/2022 6:14:42 PM

Reply to: 2735489

 

Sexual Assault Remains Dramatically Underreported

If Dr. Christine Blasey Ford was sexually assaulted and didn’t report it, it would be all too common.

 
October 4, 2018
 
v class="page-info-header__right" data-swiftype-index="false">
v>

When Dr. Christine Blasey Ford came forward with sexual assault alleg­a­tions against Judge Brett Kavanaugh, one of the first ques­tions to emerge from the judge’s defend­ers was: If she was sexu­ally assaul­ted 36 years ago, why not report it then? 

Prob­ably for the same reas­ons that nearly 80 percent of rapes and sexual assaults go unre­por­ted, accord­ing to a Justice Depart­ment analysis of viol­ent crime in 2016. The real­ity is, it’s very common for sexual assault surviv­ors — most frequently, women — to decline to report the offense to police. At the same time, false accus­a­tions of rape or sexual assault are rare. And that should inform how we weigh Dr. Ford’s alleg­a­tions, as well as those of other surviv­ors. 

It may sound incred­ible that only around 23 percent of surviv­ors report such crimes to police, but it’s true. And that number is in line with past reports: Surveys of 2014 and 2015 both put report­ing rates for rape and sexual assault in the low 30s. (A history of low report­ing rates is one reason the Bren­nan Center declines to analyze trends in sexual assault in our crime reports. And low report­ing rates don’t detract from the broader conclu­sions to those reports, that crime and viol­ent crime remain histor­ic­ally low.)

Rape and sexual assault are seri­ous offenses. So why aren’t they repor­ted? Surviv­ors cite several reas­ons. Twenty percent, accord­ing to the DOJ report, worry about retali­ation — not just from the perpet­rator, but from soci­ety at large. Thir­teen percent said they think the police would not do anything to help. Tragic­ally, 8 percent said they didn’t think the rape or sexual assault was import­ant enough to report. 

Sexual assault surviv­ors struggle with a wide range of emotions that make coming forward diffi­cult: fear of revic­tim­iz­a­tion, distor­tion of alleg­a­tions, and gener­ally not being believed. As psycho­ther­ap­ist Beverly Engel puts it, “victims are often too ashamed to come forward. Sexual assault is a very humi­li­at­ing and dehu­man­iz­ing act against someone.” Why do victims often blame them­selves? Engel contin­ues: “[A]ttached to that shame is a lot of self-blame [. . .] because in our culture, we tend to blame victims in general.” 

For all these reas­ons, unre­por­ted assaults are all too common. Far less common, however, are false accus­a­tions of sexual assault or rape, hover­ing between 2 and 10 percent in the United States. You would­n’t know that from Kavanaugh’s defend­ers, includ­ing the pres­id­ent, who have insinu­ated that the judge’s accusers may be lying. But stat­ist­ic­ally speak­ing, it is far more common for a survivor of sexual assault to decline to report it than for someone to make false accus­a­tions of assault. 

Given these stat­ist­ics, we should be doing everything in our power to remove soci­etal and struc­tural barri­ers that can prevent surviv­ors from coming forward. Ques­tion­ing Dr. Ford’s motives, and asking why she didn’t come forward earlier — as many have done — both run directly counter to that goal. And they may further discour­age surviv­ors from coming forward with their stor­ies, espe­cially if the alleg­a­tions are against those in posi­tions of power. 

The set of stat­ist­ics surround­ing sexual assault tell a clear story. Sexual assault is much more common than we think, while false accus­a­tions are much rarer than some of Judge Kavanaugh’s more partisan defend­ers have sugges­ted. When we confront alleg­a­tions of assault, in polit­ics and in culture, we should under­stand the real­it­ies that sexual assault surviv­ors face when speak­ing out about their exper­i­ences. 

(Image: Melina Mara/Getty)


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735492 Learn to keep up with the law. +3/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/12/2022 6:34:10 PM

Reply to: 2735491

1.  If a doctor suspects child abuse it is the law that it is reported.  Rape of a 10 year old is child abuse, it has to be reported, it wasn't.

2.  I order to get a abortion because of rape, the rape must be reported.

3. the attorney general has been interviewed and reported there has not been any report filed in regards to this rape and abortion.

4.  Your fact checker has already testified in court that what they do is just a opinion.  Not very reliable.

5.  Get over it, news time after time is proven fake.  This one is fake too.

 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735765 Indiana Dr. Caitlin Bernard reported 10-year-old Ohio girl's abortion, reco +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/15/2022 11:42:34 AM

Reply to: 2735492

 

Indiana Dr. Caitlin Bernard reported 10-year-old Ohio girl's abortion, records show

Tony Cook
Indianapolis Star
 
 

The Indiana physician who provided abortion services to a 10-year-old Ohio girl who was raped disclosed the abortion in a form filed with the Indiana Department of Health and the Department of Child Services, according to documents obtained by IndyStar through a public records request. 

Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita and some news outlets have called into question whether Dr. Caitlin Bernard, the Indianapolis OB-GYN who performed the procedure, properly reported the disturbing case, which has become a flashpoint in the national debate over abortion.

An attorney for Bernard said the doctor followed the law and made the appropriate disclosures. She said Bernard is considering legal action against those who have "smeared" her.

Rokita told Fox News on Wednesday that his office was investigating whether Bernard had failed to report the abortion and sexual abuse as required by Indiana law. His comments came one day after Ohio police arrested a 27-year-old man who they say admitted to raping the child.

“We're gathering the evidence as we speak, and we're going to fight this to the end, including looking at her licensure,” Rokita said. “If she failed to report it in Indiana, it's a crime for — to not report, to intentionally not report.”

Dr. Caitlin Bernard
 

Despite the newly disclosed form, Rokita said Thursday he plans to forge ahead with his investigation.

“As we stated, we are gathering evidence from multiple sources and agencies related to these allegations," he said in an emailed statement. "Our legal review of it remains open.”

More:IU Health says doctor did not violate HIPAA laws in 10-year-old's abortion

The story of the young girl who traveled to Indiana for an abortion was first revealed by Bernard in an IndyStar story published earlier this month. The story went viral and quickly became a talking point for abortion rights supporters, including President Joe Biden. Abortion opponents and some news outlets, however, questioned the veracity of the story.

The announcement of criminal charges on Tuesday shifted the focus of abortion opponents away from questioning the story and onto whether or not Bernard had made the proper disclosures.

Indiana law requires health care providers to report abortions they perform to the Indiana Department of Health, including whether the patient indicated they were seeking an abortion as a result of being abused, coerced, harassed or trafficked. Failure to do so is a misdemeanor.

Bernard filed the required abortion disclosure, known as a "terminated pregnancy" form, on July 2, two days after she performed the girl's abortion, according to a copy of the form IndyStar received Thursday from the state health department. State law requires the forms to be filed within three days for patients under age 16.

(the next sentence is emphasised to reinforce the point made)

"The form shows Bernard indicated the girl was seeking an abortion as a result of being abused."

Kathleen Delaney, an attorney for Bernard, said in a statement that her client "took every appropriate and proper action in accordance with the law and both her medical and ethical training as a physician."

Indiana abortion law:Indiana special session on abortion, tax refund pushed back to end of July

"She followed all relevant policies, procedures, and regulations in this case, just as she does every day to provide the best possible care for her patients," Delaney said. "She has not violated any law, including patient privacy laws, and she has not been disciplined by her employer. We are considering legal action against those who have smeared my client, including Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita, and know that the facts will all come out in due time.”

Columbus, Ohio, police said they were made aware of the girl's rape on June 22 through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother. Bernard has said she was contacted about the abortion five days later on June 27.

The abortion took place on June 30, just six days after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. The high court's decision allowed an Ohio law to go into effect restricting abortions after fetal cardiac activity is detected, which is typically around 6 weeks.

The form Bernard filed with the state shows the girl was 6 weeks pregnant at the time of her abortion.

The form indicates the doctor did not know the age of the "father." In such cases, doctors are required to enter an "approximate age," according to a person familiar with the electronic filing system. Bernard entered "17."

IndyStar obtained copies of all pregnancy termination forms submitted to the state health department from June 24, the day of the U.S. Supreme Court decision, to July 11, 2022. The 10-year-old victim is among seven patients younger than 18 who received abortion care in Indiana during the time period. She's also the youngest to receive care, and the only juvenile whose abortion was listed as the result of abuse, according to the documents.

All told, Indiana doctors reported performing 144 abortions in the time period. That doesn't necessarily capture all of the abortions performed during that time period, because the state gives doctors 30 days to submit the forms when the patient is 16 or older.

Timeline

June 22: Police in Columbus, Ohio, are made aware of the girl's rape through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother, according to police.

June 24: U.S. Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. An Ohio law restricting abortions when fetal cardiac activity is detectable goes into effect.

June 27: Bernard receives call from a child abuse doctor in Ohio seeking an abortion for a 10-year-old who had been raped, according to what Bernard previously told IndyStar.

June 30: Abortion is performed.

July 2: Bernard files the required "terminated pregnancy form" with the Indiana Department of Health and the Department of Children Services.

 


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735518 He cherry picks what's good for him +3/-1     
Author:bladeslap
7/13/2022 7:42:49 AM

Reply to: 2735488

Old guy has never been and is never capable of seeking truth.

After all, he still believes in the big lie even though every credible person has stated Trump is a pathological liar. 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735493 We can argue until the cows come home, the real point is... +4/-2     
Author:Jett
7/12/2022 6:54:19 PM

Reply to: 2735451

After this story broke I watched conservatives being interviewed on TV saying that they stood up for it. That's the real point, conservatives stood up for this child abuse. 

Old Dude, what if it were your 10 year old daughter? Would you force her to carry the baby to term? Can you honestly answer that?

If it were my daughter I would have driven or flown her to where ever she could get the abortion, child rape should be punishable by death in my book. 

Just like that bitch from Dakota saying she wouldn't allow a 12 year old raped by her father to have an abortion, you conservatives are sick. 

Can you answer the question about your daughter?



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735494 Who is the sick one? +4/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/12/2022 7:35:57 PM

Reply to: 2735493

Do you just kill people when ever you think you have a reason?

The act of rapping a 10 year old is a sick act, and you are going to make it sicker by killing the child.

Just how sick are you?  Are you even part of the human race?

If my daughter was raped at 10, we would have had one more child to love and raise.

 

 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735503 The Guy Who Would Force His Raped Daughter 10, To Have The Baby... +3/-2     
Author:Jett
7/12/2022 11:32:38 PM

Reply to: 2735494

Gets my vote... 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735526 Define when it's really a life +3/-2     
Author:bladeslap
7/13/2022 9:21:36 AM

Reply to: 2735494

Do we take a scientific or religious viewpoint or both? Who makes the decision on when it's a life? I believe there should be limits to when someone can have an abortion ... and I'm open to listening to different viewpoints



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735544 Really! +4/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/13/2022 1:03:54 PM

Reply to: 2735526

You ask,  "who makes the decision on when it's a life"

apparently you do not understand current eents, let me update you.

1 Supreme Court ruled that abortion is not a right granted by the constitution.

2  So it is a state right to govern abortion issues.

3. States are the ones to decide such things as "when is it life", when can or when you can't have one.

4.  local elections will be the deciding determining factor.

5.  The process of goverment by the people for the people, has WON!

I know your head is full of "Trump", and can't comprehend life's real issues!

But try to keep up!

 

 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735676 It's not a question of 'life'. It's a question of person-hood. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/14/2022 3:11:22 PM

Reply to: 2735544

Bqad news for you- 68% of Americans approve of abortion.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735767 Constitution gives us right to life, NOT person-hood (NT) +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/15/2022 11:56:52 AM

Reply to: 2735676


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735770 Constitution gives us right to life, NOT person-hood +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/15/2022 12:01:16 PM

Reply to: 2735767

Without life, there is no person.

Denying a person life without judicial process is murder.

Is murder acceptable in your view of the constitution?



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735772 Constitution gives us right to life, NOT person-hood +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/15/2022 12:05:12 PM

Reply to: 2735767

You are inconsistent in your positions.

Who is the sick one?

Author: Old Guy   Date: 7/12/2022 7:35:57 PM

Do you just kill people when ever you think you have a reason?

The act of rapping a 10 year old is a sick act, and you are going to make it sicker by killing the child

Just how sick are you?  Are you even part of the human race?

If my daughter was raped at 10, we would have had one more child to love and raise.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735616 Appears this isn't going well for you libs..an ILLEGAL ALIEN RAP ED HER.... +2/-3     
Author:Founding Fathers
7/13/2022 10:43:54 PM

Reply to: 2735451

Ohio 10-year-old's alleged rapist is Guatemalan illegal immigrant: ICE source

Gerson Fuentes is accused of raping a 10-year-old Ohio girl, who later got an abortion



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2735674 Your country, too; so it's partially your fault as well as anybodys. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/14/2022 3:09:21 PM

Reply to: 2735616

You can't get more "American" than the Mid-West.



Return-To-Index