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Msg ID: 2736090 Word is that 2nd quarter GDP is negative 1.5 +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/18/2022 11:29:40 AM

If reports confirm this, we are officially in a recession.

It is to bad that within the White House there is not one person with any experience in the business world.  None of them understand the free enterprise system, no doubt why they can't understand and make error after Error.



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Msg ID: 2736102 Word is that 2nd quarter GDP is negative 1.5 +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/18/2022 2:04:28 PM

Reply to: 2736090

When the rain fall, it's not just because the cloud's shadow is there.

The rain was water vapor in the atmosphere.

Eventually rising above the condensation level, which formed the cloud of visible liquid water.

At some point in that process, the suspended liquid water forms droplets, then drops and falls as rain.

That is a process that takes hours, even thouogh the rain cloud may only be minutes.

The economy is very like weather- hot and cold; dry and wet; moving or stationary- but always affected by long term influences.

You don't create the economic infrastructure instantly.

You don't create the useful working population instantly, either.

As predicted for years, the recession has come and it will be short. Not because Biden is POTUS and not because Trump was POTUS although each changed the scenarion affecting it- the recession is here/coming because we haven't mastered the economic cycle yet. 

Certainly not the world economic cycle, which is working around the globe. Biden didn't do this. But The Donald did initiate the Trump Covid Recession directly. The sharpest economic contraction since the Great Depression and the highest unemployment rate ever!

Talk about economic ignorance! Well, no- not ignorance. Trump DGAF about the novel coronavirus, the economic effect and/or the impending death toll. Not until he realised it was an election year and a million dead Americans, a recession would make him 'look bad'.



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Msg ID: 2736114 You think you know, but what you know is wrong +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/18/2022 4:00:47 PM

Reply to: 2736102

The only thing the weather has in common with economics is they both change.

The weather is produce by Mother Nature, as man we have no control over it.

The economy is produced by Market Forces, of which we have 100% control.

Big difference!

Bad policy produces a bad economy, simple concept for some of us, just too deep of thought for others.  

Did you go to school on the short bus, bless your heart.

Your post reads like economic cycles are natural reacquiring events.  Nope!

They are created from bad policies.  Name one economic crash or down turn and I will tell you the government policies that created it.  All are man made!

I could get into more depth, but I sure you don't understand.  So I will leave it at this!

    Weather changes, we have NO control over.

    Economic changes, are from good or bad policies.

Right now the country is in negative growth, do you really think that is from good policy?

 



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Msg ID: 2736117 The economy is produced by Market Forces, of which we have 100% control. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/18/2022 4:04:57 PM

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The economy is produced by Market Forces, of which we have 100% control.

 So- the 2020 recession was controlled by the trump administration? You have something there...

 



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Msg ID: 2736122 The economy is produced by Market Forces, of which we have 100% control. +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/18/2022 4:26:32 PM

Reply to: 2736117

Trumps policies were temporarily hurt from COVID.

But, his recovery policies produced a 33% increase in GDP, the quarter before Biden took over.

Once Biden took over and put his policies in place the economy became worse to the point it is now in recession.

Policies matter.



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Msg ID: 2736126 The economy is produced by Market Forces, of which we have 100% control. +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/18/2022 4:52:02 PM

Reply to: 2736122

2020 GDP down by 3.4% from 2019, recovering to a 5,7% increase in 2021.

Shape that as you will, but don't forget that the Trump Covid Recession is right there- 

'We have it totally under control'

That kind of 'control' is the reason he lost reelection.



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Msg ID: 2736104 Stagflation Risk Rises Amid Sharp Slowdown in Growth +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/18/2022 2:44:04 PM

Reply to: 2736090

Quibble- this source estimates USA gdp -1.2% this year, -0,2% next year. Where is your source, -1.5%? (couoldn't post the graphic....)

Stagflation Risk Rises Amid Sharp Slowdown in Growth

War in Ukraine leading to higher inflation, tighter financial conditions

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WASHINGTON, June 07, 2022—Compounding the damage from the COVID-19 pandemic, the Russian invasion of Ukraine has magnified the slowdown in the global economy, which is entering what could become a protracted period of feeble growth and elevated inflation, according to the World Bank’s latest Global Economic Prospects report. This raises the risk of stagflation, with potentially harmful consequences for middle- and low-income economies alike.

Global growth is expected to slump from 5.7 percent in 2021 to 2.9 percent in 2022— significantly lower than 4.1 percent that was anticipated in January. It is expected to hover around that pace over 2023-24, as the war in Ukraine disrupts activity, investment, and trade in the near term, pent-up demand fades, and fiscal and monetary policy accommodation is withdrawn. As a result of the damage from the pandemic and the war, the level of per capita income in developing economies this year will be nearly 5 percent below its pre-pandemic trend.

“The war in Ukraine, lockdowns in China, supply-chain disruptions, and the risk of stagflation are hammering growth. For many countries, recession will be hard to avoid,” said World Bank President David Malpass. “Markets look forward, so it is urgent to encourage production and avoid trade restrictions. Changes in fiscal, monetary, climate and debt policy are needed to counter capital misallocation and inequality.”

The June Global Economic Prospects report offers the first systematic assessment of how current global economic conditions compare with the stagflation of the 1970s—with a particular emphasis on how stagflation could affect emerging market and developing economies. The recovery from the stagflation of the 1970s required steep increases in interest rates in major advanced economies, which played a prominent role in triggering a string of financial crises in emerging market and developing economies.

“Developing economies will have to balance the need to ensure fiscal sustainability with the need to mitigate the effects of today’s overlapping crises on their poorest citizens,” said Ayhan Kose, Director of the World Bank’s Prospects Group. “Communicating monetary policy decisions clearly, leveraging credible monetary policy frameworks, and protecting central bank independence can effectively anchor inflation expectations and reduce the amount of policy tightening required to achieve the desired effects on inflation and activity.”  

The current juncture resembles the 1970s in three key aspects: persistent supply-side disturbances fueling inflation, preceded by a protracted period of highly accommodative monetary policy in major advanced economies, prospects for weakening growth, and vulnerabilities that emerging market and developing economies face with respect to the monetary policy tightening that will be needed to rein in inflation.

However, the ongoing episode also differs from the 1970s in multiple dimensions: the dollar is strong, a sharp contrast with its severe weakness in the 1970s; the percentage increases in commodity prices are smaller; and the balance sheets of major financial institutions are generally strong. More importantly, unlike the 1970s, central banks in advanced economies and many developing economies now have clear mandates for price stability, and, over the past three decades, they have established a credible track record of achieving their inflation targets.

Global inflation is expected to moderate next year but it will likely remain above inflation targets in many economies. The report notes that if inflation remains elevated, a repeat of the resolution of the earlier stagflation episode could translate into a sharp global downturn along with financial crises in some emerging market and developing economies.

The report also offers fresh insights on how the war’s effects on energy markets are clouding the global growth outlook. The war in Ukraine has led to a surge in prices across a wide range of energy-related commodities. Higher energy prices will lower real incomes, raise production costs, tighten financial conditions, and constrain macroeconomic policy especially in energy-importing countries.

Growth in advanced economies is projected to sharply decelerate from 5.1 percent in 2021 to 2.6 percent in 2022—1.2 percentage point below projections in January. Growth is expected to further moderate to 2.2 percent in 2023, largely reflecting the further unwinding of the fiscal and monetary policy support provided during the pandemic.

Among emerging market and developing economies, growth is also projected to fall from 6.6 percent in 2021 to 3.4 percent in 2022—well below the annual average of 4.8 percent over 2011-2019. The negative spillovers from the war will more than offset any near-term boost to some commodity exporters from higher energy prices. Forecasts for 2022 growth have been revised down in nearly 70 percent of EMDEs, including most commodity importing countries as well as four-fifths of low-income countries.

The report highlights the need for decisive global and national policy action to avert the worst consequences of the war in Ukraine for the global economy. This will involve global efforts to limit the harm to those affected by the war, to cushion the blow from surging oil and food prices, to speed up debt relief, and to expand vaccinations in low-income countries. It will also involve vigorous supply responses at the national level while keeping global commodity markets functioning well.

Policymakers, moreover, should refrain from distortionary policies such as price controls, subsidies, and export bans, which could worsen the recent increase in commodity prices. Against the challenging backdrop of higher inflation, weaker growth, tighter financial conditions, and limited fiscal policy space, governments will need to reprioritize spending toward targeted relief for vulnerable populations.

Download Global Economic Prospects here.

Regional Outlooks:

East Asia and Pacific: Growth is projected to decelerate to 4.4% in 2022 before increasing to 5.2% in 2023. For more, see regional overview.

Europe and Central Asia:  The regional economy is expected to shrink by 2.9% in 2022 year before growing by 1.5% in 2023. For more, see regional overview.

Latin America and the Caribbean: Growth is projected to slow to 2.5% in 2022 and 1.9% in 2023. For more, see regional overview.

Middle East and North Africa: Growth is forecast to accelerate to 5.3% in 2022 before slowing to 3.6% in 2023. For more, see regional overview.

South Asia: Growth is projected to slow to 6.8% in 2022 and 5.8% in 2023. For more, see regional overview.

Sub-Saharan Africa: Growth is forecast to moderate to 3.7% in 2022 and rise to 3.8% in 2023. For more, see regional overview.

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Msg ID: 2736115 Bad policy from Biden, he did it. (NT) +1/-1     
Author:Old Guy
7/18/2022 4:02:25 PM

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Msg ID: 2736118 The clearest example of a POTUS crashing an economy came in 2020. (NT) +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/18/2022 4:07:17 PM

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Msg ID: 2736125 Still sore trump got ousted and ejected from office?? +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/18/2022 4:51:51 PM

Reply to: 2736090

Econmies go into recessions; we have been in the longest bull run in our lives. So relax, get the stick out of your nose, and settle down.

You know, you're such a hater that you're actualy hoping we go into a recession -- That's teh type of human being you are. 



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