It's going to come out the FBI was orchestrating the whole circus. +2/-2
Author:observer II 7/26/2022 1:55:27 PM
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The FBI has been the democratic crime blockade for many years.
They did an outstanding job taking hitlery down.
I mean hitlery erased 33,000 classified emails.
She lied in a congressional hearing about Ben Ghazi.................and her servers.
Although my favorite is probably the Steele dosier. It was proven she paid for that fabricated BS, yet she walks free. Well, actually she falls down alot :)
The FBI is an embarrassment, and should really be terminated. They serve no purpose anymore. Unless you consider burying evidence and turning the other way while Hunter bangs hookers and implicates daddy in treasonous activities.
Hey Hunter.................I think your in the clear.........wink wink :)
I would guess tyhat you don't know many law enforcement personnel.+4/-1
Author:TheCrow 7/26/2022 3:08:33 PM
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Those I know are very law and order (no surprise) and conservative.
Has Hillary been prosecuted for anything you allege? The issues you claim were intentionally not prosecuted have had 12 years of Republican administration, I don't see "W" or Trump allowing them to pass.
"The FBI is an embarrassment, and should really be terminated. They serve no purpose anymore."
Should the FBI shut down their part in the Hunter Biden investigation?
Which federal law enforcement agency do you suggest should replace the FBI?
Author:observer II 7/29/2022 9:40:41 AM
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And once again you insert foot into mouth.
The fact is the majority of the people I work with are former troopers. But that's irrelevent
I love it when you libs insert the shoe. What was hitlery prosecuted for????? Not a thing my man.
So tell me what Trump was prosecuted for.
And forget about that bogus impeachment BS. Biden was guilty of what they claimed Trump did. That was liberal strong arming at it's best.
Anything to keep big bad Trump out of washington. It's tough when a non-politician makes the professional politicians look like incompetent imbeciles. Hence the hatred.
Their investigation into Hunter will result in nothing. It's all smoke and mirrors. Thus is an attempt to deceive Americans into thinking they treat both sides the same.
Author:TheCrow 7/29/2022 11:36:40 AM
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I love it when you libs insert the shoe. What was hitlery prosecuted for????? Not a thing my man.
Correct. She was investigated.
So tell me what Trump was prosecuted for.
Trump should be excused for any violations of the law?
Trump has not been 'prosecuted'. He has been indicted and is being investigated in my state, Georgia.
Anything to keep big bad Trump out of washington. It's tough when a non-politician makes the professional politicians look like incompetent imbeciles. Hence the hatred.
Author:Jett 7/29/2022 12:31:48 PM
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1. Trump tried to pressure secretaries of state to not certify.
Trump held early leads in vote counts in several states—not because he was ever actually ahead but because of discrepancies between when states count mail-in ballots and Election Day ballots. This so-called blue shift was written about long in advance of Election Day, and was partially the result of Trump’s own attacks on voting by mail. Nevertheless, Trump made this a key part of his election conspiracy theories (as many predicted he would), insisting that Democrats were somehow inserting fraudulent ballots into the vote count in the presidential election (something they apparently forgot to do in close House and Senate races, in which Democrats did worse than polls had anticipated). To help substantiate these falsehoods, the Trump campaign attempted to pressure secretaries of state to either not certify the results or “find” fraudulent ballots. In some states, spurred by the president’s fictions, pro-Trump mobs showed up at vote-counting sites and attempted to disrupt the proceedings.
2. Trump tried to pressure state legislatures to overturn the results.
Trump personally attempted to coerce state legislators to overturn election results in a few states that voted for Biden, on the dubious legal theory that such legislatures could simply ignore the results of the popular vote in their own states. In Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia, Trump publicly urged Republican-controlled statehouses to “intervene to declare him the winner” and tweeted, “Hopefully the Courts and/or Legislatures will have the COURAGE to do what has to be done to maintain the integrity of our Elections, and the United States of America itself.” As my colleague Barton Gellman reported last year, the Trump campaign discussed “contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority.”
3. Trump tried to get the courts to overturn the results.
The embattled attorney general of Texas, Ken Paxton, filed an absurd lawsuit demanding that the Supreme Court void the election results in Wisconsin, Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, four states Biden won. The large majority of the Republican delegation in Congress, as well as nearly 20 Republican state attorneys general, supported this attempt to get the conservative-controlled Supreme Court to overturn the 2020 election results by fiat. The justices declined to crown Trump—but the amount of support this bid received from Republican elected officials is itself alarming.
As part of this effort, we can include the baseless “Kraken” lawsuits, filled with conspiracy theories about vote changes. Trump attempted to coerce the Justice Department into providing him with a pretext to overturn the results, but his attorney general, Bill Barr, refused to do so. Had DOJ leadership acquiesced, it would have lent credibility to Trump’s other corrupt schemes to reverse his loss. In a meeting with the acting attorney general, Jeffrey Rosen, according to contemporaneous notes taken by Rosen’s deputy, Trump said, “Just say that the election was corrupt [and] leave the rest to me.”
4. Trump tried to pressure Mike Pence to overturn the results.
It is hard to pick the most ridiculous means of executing a coup, but insisting that the vice president has the power to unilaterally decide who won an election is up there. Trump publicly hounded Pence to reject the results prior to the traditionally ceremonial electoral-vote count in Congress, and Pence reportedly took that demand seriously enough to seek advice from Dan Quayle on the matter, “asking if there were any grounds to pause the certification because of ongoing legal challenges,” according to Costa and Woodward. That this got so far is profoundly disturbing, but even more disturbing is Eastman’s memo, which shows that the Trump team had thought very deliberately about how this scheme would work.
According to the memo, Pence could refuse to certify the results in particular states, giving Trump more electoral votes than Biden, and Pence would declare Trump the victor. If Democrats objected (as surely they would), the vote would then go to the House. Because the Constitution gives one vote to each state in disputed presidential elections, and the Republicans were the majority in 26 of 50 state delegations, the Democratic House majority would be unable to prevent Republicans from throwing the election to Trump. The election-law expert Ned Foley writes that the scheme would likely not have prevailed, given the Democrats’ ability to prevent a joint session, but that seems almost beside the point, which is that a sitting president and vice president were considering how to keep themselves in power following an election they lost.
5. When all else failed, Trump tried to get a mob to overturn the results.
At the rally prior to the vote count in Congress, Trump urged the crowd to act, saying, “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” The explicit goal of the rally and subsequent riot was to pressure Congress, and Pence in particular, into overturning the election results. Trump told his followers, “If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election.”
This scheme didn’t work on its own, but it certainly could have helped one of the others: Imagine if Pence had gone along with Eastman’s absurd plan, and a mob had been present at the Capitol to help enforce the decision and menace lawmakers who tried to oppose it—then what? As it stands, the mob ransacked the Capitol and forced lawmakers to flee. Had the mob succeeded at reaching any actual legislators, the consequences could have been catastrophic.
Author:TheCrow 7/29/2022 1:09:25 PM
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Have you heard the discussions keying on whether Trump knew and believed he had lost the 2020 election? That would prove criminal intent of his January 6 speech.
How would he know? Several advisors have testified that they told Trump exactly that. Trump did not accept, admit that publicly until April 5th of this year.
Trump does not believe in elections- unless he wins them.
By Joe Hayden | July 4, 2022, 10:41 pm | in Columnist
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Since the January 6th Commission began hearings, I have had dozens of conversations in which two common questions have emerged: will Donald Trump ever be indicted for what he did, and, if so, why is it taking so long? I share the frustration inherent in the questions, but I am reassured by the words so eloquently spoken by Dr. Martin Luther King: “The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”
The January 6th Commission has done a masterful job exposing potentially criminal conduct by Donald Trump and his brain trust, John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani and Mark Meadows, in their attempted coup. According to the evidence presented, this core group made false and baseless claims that Trump won the election and that pivotal votes for Biden in swing states were procured by fraud, and they filed groundless law suits and attempted to influence legislators in swing states to reject the legitimate votes and declare that Trump was the winner. Concerted attempts were also made to influence state election officials to find that the election results were invalid and should be rejected.
In particular, Trump attempted to influence Attorney General Bill Barr and his successor to announce that an actual fraud investigation by the Department of Justice had begun, and when that failed, Trump attempted to install and incompetent Attorney General to do his bidding until he was confronted with the threat of mass resignations by DOJ senior officials and had to back off.
Finally when all else failed, on January 6, 2021 Trump and cohorts tried to pressure Vice President Pence into illegally rejecting the electoral votes from certain swing states, and then gathered and incited a mob that Trump knew was armed to storm the Capitol and disrupt the final stage of the electoral process so that the election could be thrown into the House of Representatives. The evidence further established that after the rioters stormed the Capitol Building Trump took no steps to call up the National Guard or call off the demonstrators – most of whom were present because they thought Trump wanted them to be there.
Based on the seizure of John Eastman’s telephone by federal agents and the service of other subpoenas, it now appears that a formal criminal investigation by the Department of Justice is underway. We also know that a separate state grand jury in Georgia is investigating Trump and Giuliani for attempting to illegally influence the election outcome in that state. This investigation is being run by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis. According to news reports she has expressed confidence in the direction of her probe.
There is overwhelming evidence to convene a grand jury and to return an indictment for a myriad of charges, if the prosecution is so inclined. Conspiracy to commit sedition, conspiracy to obstruct the administration of justice, attempted fraud in the submission of invalid electors on behalf in Trump in the swing states, and even a racketeering conspiracy which would tie the whole scheme together from election night to January 6, 2021, are but a few of the available charges.
People have suggested to me that Attorney General Merrick Garland is too cautious and conservative to indict a former president, but in the face of the above evidence and the powerful presentation of the January 6th Commission, he almost has no choice. What Trump attempted to do would have destroyed our democracy. Garland may be cautious but he is also principled, and a failure to indict out of fear would be branded as the appeasement of a would-be dictator. Garland surely knows that a would-be dictator or cannot be bargained with – he can only be defeated and destroyed.
I have spoken to people who are exasperated by Trump’s ability to wiggle out of jams in the past. They say he is just lucky and will “luck out again.” I have practiced law for 53 years and have been involved in and closely followed politics in this state and nationally. The one thing I have consistently seen is that a person’s luck always runs out.
Always. That’s why the casinos are still in business; people stay at the table too long. Consider how different Trump’s legacy would be if he acted like an adult and conceded, rather than obsessively trying to obstruct an orderly succession.
One more point. When history reports the investigation and (hopefully) ultimate prosecution of Trump and his cohorts, chief among our heroes will be women. For it was the courage and creativity of certain women who exposed the pure evil of the Trump machinations that almost destroyed America’s democracy. I am talking about Nancy Pelosi, who created the January 6th Commission and refused to let Jim Jordan and the other Trump partisans disrupt it; Liz Cheney, who has refused to accept the big lie and who has skillfully led the Commission’s questioning; and Cassidy Hutchinson, who courageously testified about critical facts which impute criminal intent to Trump knowing that she will be viciously attacked on social media and at any subsequent criminal trial. Shamefully, many of the men in a position to shed light on what happened have looked away, forgotten, or refused to look up from their cell phones when presented with the truth.
In our post-election nightmare, the center held and I believe the moral arc of our government is bending toward justice.
Correct the record: tell us what happened immediately before the riot.+3/-0
Author:TheCrow 7/29/2022 1:31:16 PM
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Was there a rally and demonstration?
Was it named "The Stop the Steal" rally?
Did the demonstration march to the Capitol?
Were armed demonstrators at that rally?
Why would one bring weapons to a municipality with some of the strictest weapons laws in the country? Much less to a political protest rally.
Not much hypocrisy the so-called conservative Trumpist Republicans here, is there? They denounce mob violence every time it occurs except at the "Stop the Steal Rally".
Did Trump say: “I don’t effing care that they have weapons,” Hutchinson testified that Trump said. “They’re not there to hurt me. Take the effing mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here. Let the people in, and take the effing mags away.”
That's a provocative attitude, isn't it? Do you think that was the first time Trump has endorsed political violence?
Recent revelations that former President Trump allegedly called for protesters gathered outside the White House in 2020 to be shot are part of a pattern of calling for violence that the 45th president followed throughout his years in office.
Driving the news: "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?" Trump allegedly asked about the demonstrators protesting the death of George Floyd, according to the forthcoming memoir by former Defense Secretary Mark Esper.
State of play: Trump made statements condoning and encouraging violence throughout his presidency.
July 2017: During a speech to law enforcement officers in Long Island, New York, Trump seemingly encouraged police officers to be rough with people they were arresting, per ABC News. "Please don't be too nice," he told the audience.
August 2017: In the aftermath of the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Trump failed to unequivocally condemn the violence and said "many sides" were to blame, failing to distinguish between those who participated in the "Unite the Right" rally and those who showed up in opposition to it.
October 2018: While speaking at a Montana campaign rally, Trump publicly praised Montana's then-Rep. Greg Gianforte (R) — the state's current governor — for previously assaulting a reporter. "Any guy that can do a body slam, he is my type!" Trump said.
October 2019: A New York Times report outlined various strategies Trump had allegedly deliberated to keep migrants away from the U.S. southern border, including a water-filled trench with snakes or alligators and shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down.
May 2020: Trump used violent rhetoric when referring to protests in Minneapolis in the wake of George Floyd’s killing, tweeting, "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." The phrase has a racist history going back to police brutality against Black Americans in the 1960s, per the New York Times.
June 2020: Trump threatened to use the U.S. military to quell Black Lives Matter protests across the country. "If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Trump said.
August 2020: Trump expressed interest in sending the National Guard to Portland, Oregon, to confront protesters, per Vox. "We could fix Portland in, I would say, 45 minutes," Trump said.
September 2020: Trump lauded law enforcement officers for killing Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described Antifa member suspected of killing a right-wing activist the previous month. "That’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution," Vox reported.
September 2020: When offered the chance to unequivocally condemn white supremacist violence during the first presidential debate, Trump failed to do so, instead telling the far-right Proud Boys that they should "stand back and stand by."
January 2021: At a rally preceding the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, Trump repeated false claims that the 2020 election had been stolen and told supporters that "we're going to walk down to the Capitol," adding that "you'll never take back our country with weakness."
