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Msg ID: 2736585 A crime was committed Testified under oath +4/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/23/2022 7:06:32 AM

This is clear evidence of a crime. It also shows that Trump wanted the claim to be made whether it was true or not. 

Old guy, how can you continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore what's right in front of you. 

Do you want me to quote it again?

Former acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue testified that Trump told a group of department officials that it didn’t matter if the election was rife with fraud, adding, “just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.” This is direct evidence — relayed by Donoghue under oath — of criminal intent. Trump apparently neither believed nor cared whether there was provable evidence of widespread election fraud, he simply wanted his DOJ officials to lie — "just say the election was corrupt" — and let him use that lie to help steal a second presidential term.

 




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Msg ID: 2736595 How or why do you believe this crap? +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/23/2022 9:56:32 AM

Reply to: 2736585

Look at the facts, witnesses cannot be cross-examined.

Every bit of testimony would be deemed "hearsay" in a standard court.

And the worst, the Jan 6 panel has doctored tapes.

It is like a basketball game ad one team gets to keep shooting for points and the other team is not allowed on the court.

You can't really believe any of this.

Nobody watches it, as a made for TV series it should be canceled.



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Msg ID: 2736611 Dont expose to us just have brainwashd you are Old Guy +4/-0     
Author:bladeslap
7/23/2022 12:42:23 PM

Reply to: 2736595

People from this OWN ADMINISTRATION are reporting this 

No, this is not a "Trial" - this is a Panel investigating what happened.

When Trump's own administration details what happened, i got news from you, I bleieve it

If you think they are lying, then  I feel even worse for you.

Trump tried to overthrow a legitimate election. There was no fraud found...

A panel of conservatives came out and released a report detailing the election was LOST by Trump, not Stolen

Your ego is still too big and you're too proud to admit that you're wrong - We all know that, the question is, when are you going to level with us.

For your info, I already know you clearly know Trump lost...Your silly pride is getting in the way. Oh well



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Msg ID: 2736617 These Are Facts That Can't Be Rationally Disputed...  +4/-1     
Author:Jett
7/23/2022 2:04:51 PM

Reply to: 2736595

1. Trump tried to pressure secretaries of state to not certify.

 

Trump held early leads in vote counts in several states—not because he was ever actually ahead but because of discrepancies between when states count mail-in ballots and Election Day ballots. This so-called blue shift was written about long in advance of Election Day, and was partially the result of Trump’s own attacks on voting by mail. Nevertheless, Trump made this a key part of his election conspiracy theories (as many predicted he would), insisting that Democrats were somehow inserting fraudulent ballots into the vote count in the presidential election (something they apparently forgot to do in close House and Senate races, in which Democrats did worse than polls had anticipated). To help substantiate these falsehoods, the Trump campaign attempted to pressure secretaries of state to either not certify the results or “find” fraudulent ballots. In some states, spurred by the president’s fictions, pro-Trump mobs showed up at vote-counting sites and attempted to disrupt the proceedings.

 

2. Trump tried to pressure state legislatures to overturn the results.

 

Trump personally attempted to coerce state legislators to overturn election results in a few states that voted for Biden, on the dubious legal theory that such legislatures could simply ignore the results of the popular vote in their own states. In Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia, Trump publicly urged Republican-controlled statehouses to “intervene to declare him the winner” and tweeted, “Hopefully the Courts and/or Legislatures will have the COURAGE to do what has to be done to maintain the integrity of our Elections, and the United States of America itself.” As my colleague Barton Gellman reported last year, the Trump campaign discussed “contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority.”

 

 

The embattled attorney general of Texas, Ken Paxton, filed an absurd lawsuit demanding that the Supreme Court void the election results in Wisconsin, Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, four states Biden won. The large majority of the Republican delegation in Congress, as well as nearly 20 Republican state attorneys general, supported this attempt to get the conservative-controlled Supreme Court to overturn the 2020 election results by fiat. The justices declined to crown Trump—but the amount of support this bid received from Republican elected officials is itself alarming.

 



As part of this effort, we can include the baseless “Kraken” lawsuits, filled with conspiracy theories about vote changes. Trump attempted to coerce the Justice Department into providing him with a pretext to overturn the results, but his attorney general, Bill Barr, refused to do so. Had DOJ leadership acquiesced, it would have lent credibility to Trump’s other corrupt schemes to reverse his loss. In a meeting with the acting attorney general, Jeffrey Rosen, according to contemporaneous notes taken by Rosen’s deputy, Trump said, “Just say that the election was corrupt [and] leave the rest to me.”

 

4. Trump tried to pressure Mike Pence to overturn the results.

 

It is hard to pick the most ridiculous means of executing a coup, but insisting that the vice president has the power to unilaterally decide who won an election is up there. Trump publicly hounded Pence to reject the results prior to the traditionally ceremonial electoral-vote count in Congress, and Pence reportedly took that demand seriously enough to seek advice from Dan Quayle on the matter, “asking if there were any grounds to pause the certification because of ongoing legal challenges,” according to Costa and Woodward. That this got so far is profoundly disturbing, but even more disturbing is Eastman’s memo, which shows that the Trump team had thought very deliberately about how this scheme would work.

 

According to the memo, Pence could refuse to certify the results in particular states, giving Trump more electoral votes than Biden, and Pence would declare Trump the victor. If Democrats objected (as surely they would), the vote would then go to the House. Because the Constitution gives one vote to each state in disputed presidential elections, and the Republicans were the majority in 26 of 50 state delegations, the Democratic House majority would be unable to prevent Republicans from throwing the election to Trump. The election-law expert Ned Foley writes that the scheme would likely not have prevailed, given the Democrats’ ability to prevent a joint session, but that seems almost beside the point, which is that a sitting president and vice president were considering how to keep themselves in power following an election they lost.

 

5. When all else failed, Trump tried to get a mob to overturn the results.

 

At the rally prior to the vote count in Congress, Trump urged the crowd to act, saying, “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” The explicit goal of the rally and subsequent riot was to pressure Congress, and Pence in particular, into overturning the election results. Trump told his followers, “If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election.”

 

This scheme didn’t work on its own, but it certainly could have helped one of the others: Imagine if Pence had gone along with Eastman’s absurd plan, and a mob had been present at the Capitol to help enforce the decision and menace lawmakers who tried to oppose it—then what? As it stands, the mob ransacked the Capitol and forced lawmakers to flee. Had the mob succeeded at reaching any actual legislators, the consequences could have been catastrophic.

 

 

 

 

 

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Msg ID: 2737185 Using the word Rational from a lib is funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh (NT) +2/-2     
Author:observer II
7/29/2022 8:53:40 AM

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