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Msg ID: 2736865 This is the level that most conservatives are operating at...  +4/-1     
Author:Jett
7/26/2022 11:04:47 AM

'Be offended': GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz tells female reporter that women protesting repeal of Roe need not worry about abortion access because they're too 'ugly and overweight' to get pregnant

  • The Florida congressman on Saturday used a Turning Point USA Student Action Summit to mock women who were demanding access to abortion
  • 'Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions?' he said
  • On Monday Gaetz was asked to explain his comments, and clarify whether he meant pro-choice protesters were ugly and overweight. 'Yes,' he replied
  • Asked how he felt about those who may be angered by his remarks, Gaetz replied: 'Be offended'
  • In May, he called pro-choice women 'over-educated, under-loved millennials who sadly return from their protests to a lonely microwave dinner with their cats'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11048639/Gaetz-women-protesting-abortion-need-not-worry-theyre-ugly-overweight-pregnant.html

 

 



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Msg ID: 2736882 That was freakin awesome. Video doesn't lie my friend +3/-3     
Author:observer II
7/26/2022 2:00:14 PM

Reply to: 2736865

I'm betting one of those women he was talking about was you. That's why you are getting all bent over the axle for something that was meant to be a joke.

MAybe you would have been OK if he simply just smelled and groped women.

Seems that rings a bell?????????? Who was that again??????

Keep lobbying to murder unborn children jettsheep. 

Turn in your knitting needles jettsheep. You are acting unstable and dangerous to others, and yourself.

I say this out of concern only.



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Msg ID: 2736902 Without 'revealed truth', when does a zygote become a person? +4/-1     
Author:TheCrow
7/26/2022 3:45:07 PM

Reply to: 2736882

"Keep lobbying to murder unborn children jettsheep."

'Murder' is the intentional ending of person's life. A 'person' is a living, intentional being or one would have to consider butchers to be murderers.

How many cells does it take to be a person?

Are the cultures developed from Henrietta Lacks 'persons'?

How many cells does it take to have intention, be capable of doing wrong having 'mens rea'?

You mindlessly repeat propaganda. Do you want rational religious opposing view? No, you don't. You want dominion, power over other people without any personal consequences. How many foundlings do you care for? My guess is none.

The Real Origins of the Religious Right

They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.

May 27, 2014

Randall Balmer is the Mandel family professor in the arts and sciences at Dartmouth College. His most recent book is Redeemer: The Life of Jimmy Carter.

One of the most durable myths in recent history is that the religious right, the coalition of conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists, emerged as a political movement in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion. The tale goes something like this: Evangelicals, who had been politically quiescent for decades, were so morally outraged by Roe that they resolved to organize in order to overturn it.

This myth of origins is oft repeated by the movement’s leaders. In his 2005 book, Jerry Falwell, the firebrand fundamentalist preacher, recounts his distress upon reading about the ruling in the Jan. 23, 1973, edition of the Lynchburg News: “I sat there staring at the Roe v. Wade story,” Falwell writes, “growing more and more fearful of the consequences of the Supreme Court’s act and wondering why so few voices had been raised against it.” Evangelicals, he decided, needed to organize.

Some of these anti- Roe crusaders even went so far as to call themselves “new abolitionists,” invoking their antebellum predecessors who had fought to eradicate slavery.

But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.

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Today, evangelicals make up the backbone of the pro-life movement, but it hasn’t always been so. Both before and for several years after Roe, evangelicals were overwhelmingly indifferent to the subject, which they considered a “Catholic issue.” In 1968, for instance, a symposium sponsored by the Christian Medical Society and Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, refused to characterize abortion as sinful, citing “individual health, family welfare, and social responsibility” as justifications for ending a pregnancy. In 1971, delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention in St. Louis, Missouri, passed a resolution encouraging “Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.” The convention, hardly a redoubt of liberal values, reaffirmed that position in 1974, one year after Roe, and again in 1976.

When the Roe decision was handed down, W. A. Criswell, the Southern Baptist Convention’s former president and pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas—also one of the most famous fundamentalists of the 20th century—was pleased: “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person,” he said, “and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.”



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Msg ID: 2736915 We have been over this before, +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/26/2022 5:08:23 PM

Reply to: 2736902

Life begins at conception, that is the science.

You do not confuse the issues by asking "when a person begins". Because that is also at conception.  A person is defined as a individual, the new child at conception is a individual, so a person.



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Msg ID: 2736935 Okay, that's your science, but it's not mine... +4/-0     
Author:Jett
7/26/2022 7:06:10 PM

Reply to: 2736915

How could anyone listen to the stupidity that Obsy vomits, and not see that in cases like that abortion should be mandatory...

I believe that around 22 weeks is where the cut-off should be, with exceptions of course for rape, incest, severe health issues, the mothers health, and extreme right tendencies.... 



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Msg ID: 2736940 Science is Science  +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/26/2022 8:54:13 PM

Reply to: 2736935

But, you can believe what you want!  And the great thing is you may get to vote on it, now the SC has finally made the correct ruling.



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Msg ID: 2736948 Oh no, there won't be any voting in my state... +3/-1     
Author:Jett
7/26/2022 11:40:47 PM

Reply to: 2736940

We have always had strong protections for women's rights, and when all of the talk first started on the issue with the Extreme Right Supremes, we strengthened our laws to make sure our women had the right to choose.

We won't be voting on any abortion laws unless it's to give women more freedom and rights...   



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Msg ID: 2736983 What state, Oregon, Washington?. (NT) +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
7/27/2022 1:53:17 PM

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Msg ID: 2737194 Yeah, libs aren't happy unless they can kill babies. +1/-2     
Author:observer II
7/29/2022 9:34:23 AM

Reply to: 2736948

You claim to fight for womens rights.

How about the right for people to decide for themselves whether to get the covid shot?

You won't fight for that, will ya?

Hypocrit



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Msg ID: 2737054 We have been over this before, +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/28/2022 9:52:26 AM

Reply to: 2736915

"Life begins at conception, that is the science.

"You do not confuse the issues by asking "when a person begins". Because that is also at conception.  A person is defined as a individual, the new child at conception is a individual, so a person."

For the purpose of discussion, if conception 'creates' a new person; and the 'mother' wishes to terminate the pregnancy but can not, but must bear the child to term; when and how does our society assume the responsibility for raising that new person, making that person a useful, productive member of American society?

Obviously you can't leave that person in the care of another who, in desperation or emotional distress was on the verge of 'murder'. You must certainly feel the intensity of that child's need, you must be driven above all things to assure that it is not raised in an institution or a victim of our dysfunctional foster home system.

I expect that you have absolutely no plan or inclination to care for those children.


 



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Msg ID: 2737059 You are not a conservative  +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
7/28/2022 10:46:52 AM

Reply to: 2737054

WHAT A RANT, SUPPORtING A MARXIST SOCIETY!

Haven't you ever heard of the free market place!  Let me give you a short lesson.

American became in just a few years the greatest nation in the world.  It's people exceeding in all fields.  We soon lead the world in all aspects of human standards.  We were the envy of the world.  All this great success because of the free market place.  the free market was like the goose that laid the golden egg.,

Now if you were a conservative you would know that, and you would understand that any child in a free market place will be cared for and can become a useful, productive member of America Society,  It is a socialist society that many need too be cared for by the state.

Todays problem is you lefties have continued to kill the Goose that laid the golden egg.  You have continued to take down any morals, social rules or standards, for you it is reasonable to kill a child than care for it.

There are still many citizens that embrace a free market, and because of it have flourished.  Many of us raise, support, and educate the young of the society, we definitely do not kill them!



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Msg ID: 2737100 "You are not a conservative" WHAT A RANT, SUPPORtING A MARXIST SOCIETY! +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
7/28/2022 3:10:42 PM

Reply to: 2737059

Where have I offered support for "A MARXIST SOCIETY!"?

 

 

Where have I criticised a free market economy? 

 

When was America a "free market economy"? Never, and not contemplated by the Founding Fathers:

The Constitution spoke directly to economic issues. Article 1, section 8 stated that "Congress shall have Power To Lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises"; and further gave Congress the power "[t]o regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States." These two clauses outline a new rationale for federal power. The authors of the Constitution looked on central government to troubleshoot and regulate economic life, rather than fearing that the federal government might dominate economic and political life. The same section goes on to give the central government the power to standardize the rules of bankruptcy and to invest the federal government with the powers to coin and borrow money, to declare war, and to provide for armies and navies.

The true conservative position would align with the Constitution not a libertarian corruption.

The American economy is a compromise between a controlled capitalist economy and a free market.

 

Now if you were a conservative you would know that, and you would understand that any child in a free market place will be cared for and can become a useful, productive member...

I would be interested in seeing the structure, documents that even suggest that is so. The last government orphanage I saw was closed in the late '70s.

 

"... for you it is reasonable to kill a child than care for it."  

I never said that. Typical Trumpist hyperbole.

How many orphanages, foundling homes or whatever do you support? None?

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2737168 My body, my choice. Where does that come into play lib??? +1/-2     
Author:observer II
7/29/2022 7:25:15 AM

Reply to: 2736902

You people are the party that wants to eliminate constitutional rights.

You tell people to get an experimental shot that causes far more harm than good. And if you don;t, you will lose your job, lose your career, and possibly lose your family. And let's not forget how many suicides were the result of you and your people.

Yet your all in an uproar over roevswade being overturned. Why don't you people promote responsibility.

WHen a pregnant women is murdered, it is two counts of homocide. Not one. So where is the unborn babies choice???

Your problem is you people are never consistent in your convictions. They change weekly to suite the current liberal narrative.

And that's why no one takes you serious anymore.

Try buying some integrity, or character off the empty shelves you have created



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