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Msg ID: 2737542 Trump wanted to destroy American elections, assume power as an 'autocrat' +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/1/2022 4:37:00 PM

Trump wanted to destroy American elections, assume power as an 'autocrat'. Look it up or just read the TrumpeRINO frog boy posts here- anybody, anybody who disagrees, proposes and endorses other policies and principles is a traitor to America. We don't need elections? We need a 'strong man' directing the country to eternal prosperity; a Dear Leader!

Like North Korea! While South Korea prospers the DPRK, uh- 'prospers' under an autocrat, a dictator- they don't need elections there, do they?

If evidence is found sufficient to indict and prosecute Trump, those things should happen. If they don't, Trumpism will destroy the oldest and most successful- in all senses, democracy in history.

Indict Trump. That must happen to preserve America, any success of the Biden admistration is secondary.

A former federal prosecutor says Donald Trump will be indicted 'if we care about the survival of our democracy'

 
 
Former President Donald Trump gives the thumbs-up as he arrive at the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster clubhouse in Bedminster, New Jersey, on Saturday, November 19, 2016.
Former President Donald Trump gives the thumbs-up as he arrive at the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster clubhouse in Bedminster, New Jersey, on Saturday, November 19, 2016. Carolyn Kaster/AP Photo
  • A former federal prosecutor predicted Donald Trump will be indicted for his role in the Capitol riot.
  • Ex-prosecutor Glenn Kirschner said there have been no criminal charges against him so far.
  • "That will change. It has to change if we care about the survival of our democracy. He will be indicted," Kirschner predicted.

Former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner believes former President Donald Trump will be indicted for his role in last year's insurrection. 

"Guns have been smoking all around Donald Trump for years," Kirschner said in a video posted to YouTube on Saturday. "And for whatever reason, there have been no criminal charges yet brought against Donald Trump.

"That will change. It has to change if we care about the survival of our democracy. He will be indicted," Kirschner predicted.

Kirschner made his remarks in a video analyzing potentially damning testimony given by Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, earlier this week. 

Hutchinson, in her testimony before the House January 6 committee, tasked with investigating the Capitol riot made several shocking claims that stunned former Trump aides. She said, for example, that Trump had expressed approval when rioters chanted about hanging Vice President Mike Pence.

She also detailed the intense effort that Trump made to get to the Capitol, even when security detail said they were instructed to take him elsewhere. Hutchinson described him lunging forward at a driver and grabbing at the throat of a Secret Service agent in an effort to demand that they take him to the Capitol. 

She also said Trump urged Secret Service to get rid of metal detectors. 

"I was in the vicinity of a conversation where I overheard the president say something to the effect of, 'I don't effing care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away. Let my people in, they can march to the Capitol from here,'" Hutchinson said.

After her testimony, Trump railed against Hutchinson, calling her a "total phony" and denying many of her claims.

The Capitol riot left five people, including one police officer, dead. Members of the Proud Boys, which is classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, were also present. 

Organizers were emboldened by Trump's urges to protest the results of the 2020 election with him, despite Joe Biden's election victory. While members of Congress were meeting inside the Capitol to certify the results and verify Biden's electoral win, Trump supporters organized an attempted coup and stormed the Capitol.



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Msg ID: 2737544 The GOP knew Trump was dangerous — why did they nominate him? +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/1/2022 5:04:55 PM

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 My guess? Nobody believed that he could be elected. I have been a conservative tending to Republican candidates since I became of age and could vote- but I didn't, couldn't and would never cast a ballot for the vindictive, arrogant, dishonest narcissist that is Donald Trump.

America was fortunate to have survived his first term. Now Americans know who Donald Trump is. And he's dangerous to all Americans, indeed the world.

 

The GOP knew Trump was dangerous — why did they nominate him?

In her testimony to the Jan. 6 House select committee, former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson detailed Donald Trump’s fury, his propensity for violent outbursts, and his disregard for the rule of law. The explosive testimony revealed unprecedented acts … for the office of the president.

The acts are not unprecedented for the man, however; this is who Trump has always been. His disgraceful dereliction of duty on Jan. 6 remains a singular threat to American democracy, but his disdain for the rules, procedures and norms of representative governance was well known when he announced his candidacy for president in 2015. And he continued to display his indifference to the Constitution and willingness to incite violence as he did at his rallies, during his 2016 presidential primary and general election campaigns.

 

In the third debate with Hillary Clinton, he refused — as he would four years later — to commit to conceding the election if he lost. He spewed unconstitutional and illegal threats: taking away citizenship or imprisoning flag-burners, reopening the closed investigation of his Democratic opponent’s use of a private email server and suing the media for news reports he disliked. His scorn for America’s rule of law was accompanied by racist and vulgar comments including his boast during an Access Hollywood taping about “grabbing [women] by the pussy.”

Anticipating his disregard for law and order, prominent Republicans in Congress, as well as former senior government officials, repudiated candidate Trump as “unfit” as the GOP nominee — some early on, some after the Access Hollywood tape. The serious misgivings of Republican leaders were confirmed after he entered the Oval Office, though most Republicans planning on a future in politics remained silent or fell in line behind him.

Given the clear-eyed assessment of candidate Trump by Republican leaders, why did the party nominate him as its presidential candidate in 2016? Why did his contempt for democratic rules, procedures and norms fail to disqualify him as its presidential candidate? Is there no “filter” in America’s representative system of government to block a dangerous renegade from seeking entry to the Oval Office?

The public airing of Trump’s secret plot to remain in power after losing the 2020 election reveals in stark terms his threat to American democracy and the ongoing peril of our presidential nomination process, which defers to a relatively small number of extreme party activists and allies.

Two major flaws in the primary election process opened the door to Donald Trump’s nomination despite the widespread opposition of Republican leaders.

First, small cliques of activists who hold extreme and, in some respects, unconstitutional views use low-turnout primaries to dictate the candidates that each party nominates. Trump fashioned his 2016 campaign to win narrow factions and voting segments to secure the nomination, even though it made him the most unpopular nominee in modern history. He stood out in the crowded primary field of 17 candidates for his fiery anti-establishment screed that appealed to the economic unease and social resentment of white Americans.

 

Second, the evaluation by voters of Trump’s tendency to defy the law and norms of conduct in the November 2016 election was short-circuited by partisanship. In our polarized time, independent judgment has been replaced by near-blind partisan loyalty. Almost all Republicans chose him over Hillary Clinton, positioning him to prevail.

Primaries do not filter out demagogues and authoritarians who can exploit them to demand obedience. Republican officials who were certain of Trump’s inappropriateness for the presidency were unable to stop his nomination and eventual election in 2016. Once in the seat of power, Trump converted GOP lawmakers’ dependence on extreme primary supporters who supported him into a weapon to cower many to acquiesce or support his violations of Constitutional and legal rules and norms, including his inciting of the Jan. 6 insurrection. Nearly seventy percent of GOP House representatives voted against accepting the outcome of the 2020 election in January 2021.

The 2016 Republican primary failed to block a known political deviant, and its incentive system deterred Republicans from performing the much-touted role of elites: doing the right thing for the country. 

 

While the primary system was initially heralded for fulfilling the Declaration’s promise of political equality and popular consent, it equipped Trump’s relatively small number of primary supporters to steer the will of the majority. He strode onto the uniquely visible stages afforded by the primary, locked in his nomination despite the opposition of GOP leaders and cleared the barriers to put his name on the ballot in states across the country.

If America is going to stop the next Trump candidacy, Republican leaders must change the presidential nomination process to create the “filters” that James Madison recommended when designing the U.S. Constitution. 

Lawrence R. Jacobs is the director of the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance at the University of Minnesota and the author of several books, including “Democracy Under Fire.”



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Msg ID: 2737545 Why do you do this? +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
8/1/2022 5:07:38 PM

Reply to: 2737542

Why do you post stuff from people that have NO experience, just a opinion?

Repeatedly I look at one of your posts (Bladeslap also does this) and I realize, that NO one with any significant knowledge wrote it.  Sometimes it is written by a person with a former job position.  All most always is it secound han information,  and just a opinion from someone that "who cares about their opinion?

Look at this one, "Who the hell is Yelena Dzhanova?"

 



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Msg ID: 2737547 "Why do you do this?" That's easy- Trump is dangerous to America and the  +4/-1     
Author:TheCrow
8/1/2022 5:23:07 PM

Reply to: 2737545

"Why do you do this?"

That's easy- Trump is dangerous to America and the world. He is unprincipled. 

His lack of judgement killed hundreds of thousand of Americans and caused the Covid Recession in America.

He is also the subject of numerous investigations into possible criminal actions. 

He is a wannabe mob guy who hung around with Roy Cohn, Jeffery Epstien and others. If it looks like a duck, walks and talks like a duck and hangs around with ducks, it's probably a duck.

 

 

"Who the hell is Yelena Dzhanova?"

 

Yelena Dzhanova

News Reporter

Yelena Dzhanova is a news reporter in New York. Her coverage at Insider centers on politics, women's issues, and inequality.

Previously, Yelena worked at CNBC, writing about the Trump administration, Congress, 2020 elections, voting rights, and vulnerable institutions in the face of the coronavirus. She's also worked in other newsrooms, including NBC News, BuzzFeed News, CNN, and New York Magazine.

Yelena graduated from Baruch College in 2019, and she is a proud product of the City University of New York. She is pursuing a master's degree in women's and gender studies at the CUNY Graduate Center.

She's made appearances on The Young Turks, CBS, and Westwood One's First Light, among others.



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Msg ID: 2737556 OH! That makes sense, use info with no credibility! (NT) +2/-3     
Author:Old Guy
8/1/2022 6:49:45 PM

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Msg ID: 2737626 OH! That makes sense, use info with no credibility! +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 5:03:27 PM

Reply to: 2737556

Or believe the words of a proven liar, cheat and thief. Pending indictments in several states...

Trump insists the 2020 election was rigged but can provide no evidence of substantial error, much less fraud. Zero. Like TrumpeRINO frog boy IQ.



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Msg ID: 2737557 Why don't you realize that you're in a Cult? +4/-0     
Author:Jett
8/1/2022 6:50:07 PM

Reply to: 2737545

Even Sharky is pulling for Ronnie Deinsanities next go around...



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Msg ID: 2737571 Wrong lib,Trump wanted elections to be determined by the people +1/-2     
Author:observer II
8/2/2022 4:31:35 AM

Reply to: 2737542

One person, one vote.

Nothing wrong with that statement.

Mail-ins was the biggest fraud this country has ever seen.

Boxes full of ballots with Biden's name on them were delivered to numerous counting facilities. All caught on tape. 2000 mules is proof of that fact.

Counting in all the swing states was halted at the same time. Trump leading

Counting resumes and Trump's losing.

Nothing to see here.

And recounting falsified votes is a waste of time. You must do a legitimate audit verifying voter registrations with actual votes.

How many times did you libs vote????



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Msg ID: 2737587 Ridiculous, show us verifiable proof what you say is true...  +4/-0     
Author:Jett
8/2/2022 11:16:34 AM

Reply to: 2737571

There's absolutely nothing wrong with mail in voting, it works just fine. My state has all mail in voting, it goes through the drivers license renewal process, people are automatically registered to vote, or information updated if they are already registered. Then you get your ballot in the mail, fill it out and send it back in.

Super simple, super convenient, all checked and verified. Why make people go out and stand in line to vote, why make people go out in foul weather to vote, make it simple, make it easy.

Do you really believe that the vast majority of people have the time. energy, ability, or desire to vote more than once? Nonsense, you're making crap up, those numbers are tiny and insignificant. 

We voted once moron, it's your conspiracy fogged extreme right brain and your orange messiah feeding you bullshit, that's all.

It's truly sad that we have Americans operating at your level, as an American you are a fraud...  



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Msg ID: 2737624 Cheaters always say it works. Useful idiot (NT) +1/-2     
Author:observer II
8/2/2022 4:59:10 PM

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Msg ID: 2737629 Cheaters always say it works. Useful idiot +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 5:09:05 PM

Reply to: 2737624

Do you recognize this red-neck goober?




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Msg ID: 2737637 Not a cheater. He beat the witch fair and square +1/-3     
Author:observer II
8/2/2022 5:33:03 PM

Reply to: 2737629

Which is surprising because hitlery was the most deceiving and evil democrat ever created.

 

AND SHE STILL LOST !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

LMAO



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Msg ID: 2737648 Not a cheater. He beat the witch fair and square +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 5:53:32 PM

Reply to: 2737637

True fact- Trump beat Hillary in the poll that counts- the electoral college. That didn't give him the mandate of the people. Biden's election has the backing of the people.



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Msg ID: 2737649 He beat the witch fair and square. P.S. Hillary had more popular votes than +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 6:01:02 PM

Reply to: 2737648

He beat the witch fair and square.

Not a Biden fan but- Biden stomped Trump into a greasy spot. The highest margin in the popular vote since Obama 2008.

 

P.S. Hillary had more popular votes than Trump. The Donald was unpopular from the get-gone except in his dedicated base.



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Msg ID: 2737595 Wrong lib,Trump wanted elections to be determined by the people +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 12:02:40 PM

Reply to: 2737571

History[edit]

Absentee ballots were first used for the military during the American Civil War.[19][20] Early absentee voting laws restricted the practice to members of the armed services.[21] The first allowance for civilian absentee voting was in Vermont in 1896.[21] By 1938, 42 states allowed absentee voting for civilians.[21] Nearly 2% of voters in the 1936 election voted through absentee ballots.[21] The share of absentee voters has increased over time.[21] Historically, one particularly prominent group who voted through absentee ballots were federal employees in Washington, D.C.[21]

 

They are carefully checked for ballot issues. 550,000 rejected in 2020.



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Msg ID: 2737598 A Big Lie in a New Package +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 12:29:00 PM

Reply to: 2737571

Trump has claimed many times over the years that he could only lose if the election was rigged. He lost in 2020, so naturally he used his usual claim the the election was rigged, stolen. 

The election was secure and accurate, with no significant error or fraud. Trump can continue his hissy fit tantrum all he wants- it seems to work with TrumpeRINO frog boys (Trump is not a politician politician).

He is a liar, a cheat and a thief.

 

A Big Lie in a New Package

A new documentary from Trump allies makes the latest case the election was stolen, but the group behind the claim has been assailed even by some on the hard right.

This article is part of our Midterms 2022 Daily Briefing

 
Former President Donald J. Trump speaking at a screening of “2000 Mules” at Mar-a-Lago on May 4.
Former President Donald J. Trump speaking at a screening of “2000 Mules” at Mar-a-Lago on May 4.Credit...D'Souza Media
 
 

Danny Hakim and 

  • Published May 29, 2022Updated June 8, 2022
 

PALM BEACH, Fla. — Votes switched by Venezuelan software. Voting machines hacked by the Chinese. Checking for telltale bamboo fibers that might prove ballots had been flown in from Asia. After the 2020 election, Donald J. Trump and his allies cycled through a raft of explanations for what they claimed was the fraud that stole his rightful re-election as president, all of them debunked.

Yet on a recent evening at his Mar-a-Lago resort, there was Mr. Trump showcasing his latest election conspiracy theory, one he has been advancing for months at rallies for his favored midterm candidates.

The basic pitch is that an army of left-wing operatives stuffed drop boxes with absentee ballots — a new spin on an old allegation that voter-fraud activists call “ballot trafficking.” And while MAGA-world luminaries like Rudolph W. Giuliani, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene and the MyPillow founder Mike Lindell filled the gilded ballroom, the former president called out two lesser-known figures sitting up front — the stars of “2000 Mules,” a documentary film promoting that ballot-trafficking theory and premiering at Mar-a-Lago that night.

“These people are true patriots,” Mr. Trump said, gesturing from the podium to the pair — a Tea Party veteran from Texas, Catherine Engelbrecht, and Gregg Phillips, her full-bearded sidekick, a longtime Republican operative — and imploring them to “stand up.”

 
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The Mar-a-Lago “2000 Mules” screening earlier this month.
The Mar-a-Lago “2000 Mules” screening earlier this month.Credit...Alexandra Berzon/The New York Times
 
 
 
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Donald Trump and his allies are pushing the conspiracy theory covered in “2000 Mules.”
Donald Trump and his allies are pushing the conspiracy theory covered in “2000 Mules.”Credit...Alexandra Berzon/The New York Times
 
 

While the early primaries have delivered a mixed verdict on the former president’s endorsements and stolen-election obsessions, polling nonetheless shows that a majority of Republicans believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen, even though vote fraud is exceedingly rare. Mr. Trump and his allies hope “2000 Mules,” now playing at several hundred theaters, will win over doubters among establishment Republicans.

Ms. Engelbrecht, the founder of True the Vote, a group that has spent years warning of the dangers of voter fraud, has criticized the earlier narratives of the 2020 election as unhelpful. “What they were putting out there was a lot of misinformation that just wasn’t true,” she said in a recent interview. “People want to believe the conspiracies in some ways.” Their film, she maintains, offers a more-serious theory.

 
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Catherine Engelbrecht, center, founder and president of True the Vote.
Catherine Engelbrecht, center, founder and president of True the Vote.Credit...Michael F. McElroy for The New York Times
 
 

Yet a close look at the documentary shows that it, too, is based on arguments that fall apart under scrutiny.

 

The film, directed by the conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza, is based in part on an erroneous premise: that getting paid to deliver other people’s ballots is illegal not just in states like Pennsylvania and Georgia where True the Vote centered its research and where third-party delivery of ballots is not allowed in most cases, but in every state.

The Trump Investigations


Card 1 of 8

Numerous inquiries. Since Donald J. Trump left office, the former president has been facing civil and criminal investigations across the country into his business dealings and political activities. Here is a look at the notable inquiries:

Jan. 6 inquiries. House select committee and federal prosecutors are investigating the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol and examining the possible culpability of a broad range of figures — including Mr. Trump and his allies — involved in efforts to overturn the 2020 election. In a series of public hearings this summer, the committee laid out evidence that could allow prosecutors to indict Mr. Trump.

Georgia criminal inquiry. Mr. Trump himself is under scrutiny in Georgia, where the district attorney of Fulton County has been investigating whether he and others criminally interfered with the 2020 election results in the state. Several allies of the former president have been subpoenaed, and prosecutors have informed some state officials and Trump supporters that they could face charges.

White House documents investigation. The Justice Department has begun a grand jury investigation into the handling of classified materials that ended up at Mr. Trump’s Florida home. The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives that Mr. Trump had taken 15 boxes of documents from the White House to Mar-a-Lago when he left office.

Manhattan criminal case. The Manhattan district attorney’s office has been investigating whether Mr. Trump or his family business, the Trump Organization, intentionally submitted false property values to potential lenders. But new signs have emerged that the inquiry may be losing steam.

New York State civil inquiry. The New York attorney general’s office has been assisting with the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation while conducting its own civil inquiry into some of the same conduct. The civil inquiry is focused on whether Mr. Trump’s statements about the value of his assets were part of a pattern of fraud or were simply Trumpian showmanship.

Trump’s social media merger. A federal grand jury in Manhattan has issued subpoenas regarding the merger of Mr. Trump’s social media company, Truth Social, with Digital World Acquisition, a special purpose acquisition company, or SPAC. Federal authorities are also investigating a surge in trading that preceded the announcement of the $300 million deal.

Westchester County criminal investigation. The district attorney’s office in Westchester County, N.Y., appears to be focused at least in part on whether the Trump Organization misled local officials about the value of a golf course, Trump National Golf Club Westchester, to reduce its taxes.

 

What’s more, the film claims, but never shows in its footage, that individual “mules” stuffed drop box after drop box. (Mr. Phillips said such footage exists, but Mr. D’Souza said it wasn’t included because “it’s not easy to tell from the images themselves that it is the same person.”) Those claims are purportedly backed up by tracking cellphone data, but the film’s methods of analysis have been pilloried in numerous fact-checks. (True the Vote declined to offer tangible proof — Mr. Phillips calls his methodology a “trade secret.”)

More broadly, Ms. Engelbrecht has said that the surge of mail-in voting in 2020 was part of a Marxist plot, aided by billionaires including George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg, to disrupt American elections, rather than a legitimate response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Mr. Phillips, whose firm OpSec does data analysis for True the Vote, is perhaps best known for making a fantastical claim in 2017 that more than three million illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 election, which was amplified by Mr. Trump but never backed up with evidence. Mr. Phillips is also an adviser to Get Georgia Right, a political action committee that received $500,000 from Mr. Trump’s Save America PAC this past March 25, the day after Mr. Phillips and Ms. Engelbrecht advanced their 2020 vote-fraud theories to a legislative committee in Wisconsin. Mr. Phillips said he had “received zero money” from Get Georgia Right, which backed Mr. Trump’s favored and failed governor-primary candidate, David Perdue.

Gregg Phillips, right, at the “2000 Mules” screening at Mar-a-Lago.

Gregg Phillips, right, at the “2000 Mules” screening at Mar-a-Lago.Credit...Alexandra Berzon/The New York Times
 
 

Mr. Phillips and Ms. Engelbrecht have become controversial even within the hard-right firmament. They are embroiled in litigation with True the Vote’s largest donor, and Ms. Engelbrecht has feuded with Cleta Mitchell, a leading Trump ally and elections lawyer. John Fund, a prominent conservative journalist who was once a booster of Ms. Engelbrecht, has implored donors to shun her, according to videotape provided to The New York Times by Documented, a nonprofit news site.

“I would not give her a penny,” Mr. Fund said at a meeting of members of the Council for National Policy, a secretive group of right-wing leaders, in the summer of 2020. “She’s a good person who’s been led astray. Don’t do it.”

 

But Ms. Engelbrecht found support from Salem Media Group, which distributes right-wing talk radio and podcasts, including one hosted by Mr. D’Souza, who was pardoned by Mr. Trump after being convicted of campaign finance fraud. After meeting with Mr. Phillips and Ms. Engelbrecht, Salem Media spent $1.5 million to make the film and $3 million to market it, according to Mr. D’Souza. An elaborate and shadowy film set, with giant screens and flashing lights, was built to show Ms. Engelbrecht and Mr. Phillips conducting their cellphone-data analysis.

 
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Directed by the conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza, “2000 Mules” is based on an erroneous central premise: that getting paid to deliver other people’s ballots is illegal in every state.
Directed by the conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza, “2000 Mules” is based on an erroneous central premise: that getting paid to deliver other people’s ballots is illegal in every state.Credit...Shannon Finney/Getty Images
 
 

The group has not presented any evidence that the ballots themselves — as opposed to their delivery — were improper. “I want to make very clear that we’re not suggesting that the ballots that were cast were illegal ballots. What we’re saying is that the process was abused,” Ms. Engelbrecht said in Wisconsin. In an interview, she backtracked, but when asked to provide evidence of improper votes, she only pointed to previous accusations unrelated to the 2020 general election.

A repeated contention of the documentary is that getting paid to deliver other peoples’ ballots is illegal in every state. Mr. D’Souza emailed The New York Times a citation to a federal statute that outlaws getting paid to vote — and does not discuss delivering other people’s ballots. Hans von Spakovsky, a Heritage Foundation fellow, appears in the movie agreeing that the practice is outlawed nationwide, but in 2019 he wrote that it was “perfectly legal” in some states for “political guns-for-hire” to collect ballots. (Asked about the discrepancy, Mr. von Spakovsky said he believed the practice is illegal based on federal law.)

The swing states where Mr. Phillips and Ms. Engelbrecht focused their research do ban the delivery of ballots on behalf of others, with some exceptions. But elections officers in 16 other states surveyed by The Times said their states did not prohibit people getting paid to deliver a ballot. Some of those states limit how many ballots an individual can deliver, or bar campaigns from doing so.

Mr. Phillips and Ms. Engelbrecht’s case is largely built on cellphone data. A report created by the group includes an appendix that claims to list “IMEI” numbers of the tracked devices — 15-digit codes unique to each cellphone. But each entry on the list is a 20-character string of numbers and letters followed by a lot of x’s. Mr. Phillips said new IDs had been created “to obfuscate the numbers.”

 

The same report says the group “purchased 25 terabytes of cellphone signal data emitted by devices” in the Milwaukee area in a two-week period before the 2020 election. They claim to have isolated 107 unique devices that made “20 or more visits to drop boxes” and “multiple visits to nongovernmental organizations” that were involved in get out the vote efforts.

 

A number of researchers have said that while cellphone data is fairly precise, it cannot determine if someone is depositing ballots in a drop box or just passing by the area.

“It’s really, really hard to assign even what side of the street you’re on when you’re using this kind of data,” said Paul Schmitt, a research scientist and professor at the University of Southern California.

True the Vote focuses on Democrats, but in 2019 the head of the National Republican Congressional Committee vowed to be more aggressive in its use of the same practice of collecting mail-in ballots. In fact, one of the few specific allegations of vote fraud cited in the film concerns a North Carolina Republican operative who was facing ballot-tampering and obstruction-of-justice charges when >he died last month. The case led state elections officials to order the first redo of a federal election because of fraud allegations.

As True the Vote’s funding faltered in recent years, it found new adversaries among old friends. During an elections panel hosted by the Council for National Policy in the summer of 2020, Mr. Fund, a former member of The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board, said Ms. Engelbrecht had “hooked up with the wrong associates” and “gone astray.”

Ms. Mitchell, the elections lawyer and leading vote-fraud activist in her own right, was sitting next to Mr. Fund and nodding through his comments. “It’s true,” she said after he finished.

 
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John Fund, a prominent conservative journalist who was once a booster of Ms. Engelbrecht, has now implored donors to shun her.
John Fund, a prominent conservative journalist who was once a booster of Ms. Engelbrecht, has now implored donors to shun her.Credit...Tibor Illyes/EPA, via Shutterstock
 
 
 

Ms. Mitchell once represented Ms. Engelbrecht in a dispute with the I.R.S. over allegations that it was targeting conservative groups. Ms. Engelbrecht said that Ms. Mitchell has been “on a rampage against me” since she fired Ms. Mitchell in 2017.

 

She believed the I.R.S. litigation had been “a great fund-raising vehicle” for Ms. Mitchell “and her associates. I wanted to win the case and move on and not be a cottage industry.”

Ms. Mitchell, in a text, said that her legal team spent years doing “all the heavy lifting,” but was fired after issuing a public statement, which had been standard practice. “Problem is that Catherine hates it if anyone else deals with reporters,” she said.

Soon after the 2020 election, with its funding faltering in recent years, True the Vote got a windfall $2.5 million donation from Fred Eshelman, a North Carolina entrepreneur seeking evidence to overturn the election. But the effort sputtered and Mr. Eshelman sued, claiming he had been swindled.

He lost an initial round in Texas court and is now appealing. The suit alleges Ms. Engelbrecht and Mr. Phillips were in a romantic relationship and violated Texas law related to conflicts of interest, since True the Vote directed a “substantial portion” of Mr. Eshelman’s funds to OpSec.

Asked about a personal relationship, Ms. Engelbrecht said, “You know, Gregg and I have actually talked about this and how we would answer this question. And the best answer that I think either of us are going to give is, it is totally unrelated and unimportant.”

True the Vote’s eventual focus on ballot trafficking was inspired by an Arizona investigation into ballot collection in the 2020 primary that led to indictments.

 

But True the Vote’s efforts have prompted little action from law enforcement. Last year, after True the Vote circulated its research in Georgia, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said the cell data turned over, which tracked people to within 100 feet, was insufficient to act on.

“What has not been provided is any other kind of evidence that ties these cellphones to ballot harvesting,” the bureau said in a letter. “For example, there are no statements of witnesses and no names of any potential defendants to interview.” It added that while the group had said it had “a source” who could validate such findings, “despite repeated requests that source has not been provided.”

Correction: 
June 1, 2022

An earlier version of this article misstated the location of Fred Eshelman, who donated $2.5 million to True the Vote. He is in North Carolina, not Texas.

Danny Hakim is an investigative reporter. He has been a European economics correspondent and bureau chief in Albany and Detroit. He was also a lead reporter on the team awarded the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News. @dannyhakim  Facebook

Alexandra Berzon is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter for the Politics desk, focused on elections systems and voting. She was previously an investigative reporter for The Wall Street Journal and covered the gambling industry and workplace safety. @alexandraberzon

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