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Msg ID: 2737602 Trump will not allow any of his associates to succeed independent of him. +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 12:50:01 PM

Trump has defecated in all Republican Party politics, smearing almost everybody. There are some who are less damaged by his administration, but Mike Pence isn't among them.

Proudly, my state has an hopnorable conservative Republican governor, Brian Kemp; and an upright Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger. My state is also investigating Trump for possible criminal actions.

I guess too much Roy Cohn 'rubbed off' on Donald Trump?

 

Mike Pence Sold His Soul for Nothing

He was honorable on January 6th, but not before or after.
 
JULY 28, 2022 
Mike Pence Sold His Soul for Nothing
(Photo by Nathan Howard/Getty Images)

Poor Mike Pence. You remember Mike Pence—he’s the guy who defeated a roomful of lickspittles to claim the obsequiousness grand prize at a 2017 cabinet meeting, praising the dear leader once every 12.5 seconds. Well, it seems that Mike Pence thinks he has a shot at the presidency. He’s building a campaign team, has made numerous trips to Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, and is appearing at campaign events for candidates challenging Trump-supported nutters.

You can imagine how the conversation went with his political advisers: People are tired of Trump. They’re exhausted by all the drama. They want to move on. And you’re the perfect person to fill the void. You served him faithfully, but when it came to violating the Constitution, you stood your ground. Voters will recognize your courage. And you are the true conservative!

Marc Short, Pence’s vice-presidential chief of staff, offered that, “If he were to run, he may not be the biggest celebrity. But if we’re going to go back to a principled conservative who represents the things we stand for, then there’s no one better than Mike.”

“If we’re going to go back.” Not likely. But Pence seems to think there’s a yearning for that. He’s blown the dust off yellowing copies of his Before Time speeches and sprinkled his text with the sort of Christian-y talk that got him a House seat and the Indiana governor’s chair: “Pray for our opponents,” he told a (small) audience at a South Carolina church, “that their hearts would soften and their minds would open to the unimaginable beauty that is life.”

Isn’t that nice? But there are a few flies in the ointment.

First problem. Now? Now is the moment that Pence rolls out the prayer? As Pence is well-situated to know, big chunks of the GOP base have become hungry for a very different tone. Christian charity is out. Vulgar insults, shameless lies, and secessionist hatred are in. It sure is ugly, but Pence is in no position to complain. It’s a revolution that Mike Pence did so much to encourage, and it’s bizarre that he seems to think he can carry on as if nothing has changed.

Pence prostituted his reputation for Christian piety to the most vile figure in the history of American presidential politics, a man who modeled the opposite of every virtue taught in Sunday school. Pence lent his credibility as a religious man to a villain, and gave permission to millions of self-styled Christians to vote for him. Pence’s pious conscience was remarkably quiescent when Trump encouraged his followers to rough up hecklers; when he bore false witness against Muslim Americans (falsely claiming that he saw them celebrating after 9/11); when he attempted to extort the president of Ukraine to lie about Joe Biden; when he separated asylum-seeking parents from their children; when he refused to condemn the tiki-torch Nazi wannabes in Charlottesville; when he elevated a series of kooks and conspiracists to high office; and when he insisted that the election had been stolen.

Pence was fine with all of it.

Second problem: Worse than simply remaining silent, he played the toady with seemingly endless reserves of self-mortification, uttering cringeworthy encomia to Trump’s “broad-shouldered leadership” (a phrase he repeated at least 17 times), and audacious lies about matters big and small.

There was no bottom to Pence’s fawning. To please Trump, he called Joe Arpaio, a convicted criminal (pardoned by Trump) and thuggish abuser of power, a “tireless champion of the rule of law” and said he was “honored” by Arpaio’s presence at his speech. He claimed, preposterously, that Trump had performed magnificently in the face of the COVID pandemic: “President Trump marshaled the full resources of our federal government from the outset. He directed us to forge a seamless partnership with governors across America in both political parties.”

When Pence traveled to Ireland on an official visit, he didn’t stay in Dublin, but traipsed 140 miles west to stay at the Trump International Golf Links and Hotel in Doonbeg, necessitating a 40 minute flight and hour-long drive each way. Must have been inconvenient, but then, if Trump had asked Pence to crawl both ways, he would doubtless have obliged.

Pence helped transform the GOP from a conservative party into a cult, and as he is discovering to his sorrow, cults don’t behave the way normal political parties do. That’s why Pence’s gamble that he will get credit from the base for his loyal service to the leader is foolhardy. He is at the mercy of the leader. If the leader disowns him, no history of loyalty to Trump himself, far less service to conservative goals, will save him. Ask Jeff Sessions. Ask Mo Brooks. Pence is attempting to finesse this by referring frequently to the Trump/Pence administration and declining to criticize Trump—even for January 6. When speaking of it (which he tries to avoid), he calls it a “dark day,” adding that he supposes he and Trump will “never see eye to eye” about it. Got that? Trump sicced an armed and violent mob on Pence by tweeting that Pence had failed him, and Pence responds that, gosh darn it, sometimes friends disagree.

Third problem: It’s impossible to say how large a contingent of Republican primary voters are in the “Pence is a Traitor” camp, but consider that a recent New York Times/Sienna poll found that only 6 percent of Republicans would vote for Pence in a 2024 primary. At their dueling campaign appearances in Arizona, Trump assembled a rally attended by thousands while Pence spoke to a crowd estimated at 300.

There may indeed be an audience in the GOP for someone other than Trump. A softening in his support is now just barely discernible in polling and lack of donor enthusiasm. But the Trump base will not forgive Pence. Better to turn to someone like DeSantis who hasn’t been guilty of abiding by the Constitution.

And if the GOP were, by some miracle, to seek an honest, non-authoritarian, traditionally conservative candidate, there are other choices including Liz Cheney, Larry Hogan, and Adam Kinzinger, who have reminded Republicans of what conservatism can look like.

Pence did a great thing for the country on January 6. His tragedy is that he has managed to earn the contempt of the MAGA world and the anti-MAGA world. Again, he deserves full credit for not obeying Trump’s command to refuse to count the Electoral College votes on January 6, 2021. That took courage and a certain amount of integrity and saved the country from a constitutional crisis and possibly worse. Considering the stakes, he should have followed it up with total honesty about how we reached that frightening moment in American democracy. If he had attempted to invoke the 25th Amendment, or encouraged senators to convict Trump at the second impeachment, or testified in public to the House January 6th Committee, it might have gone some way to compensate for the infamy of the past four years.

Pence chose another path—trying to have it both ways. It will end, perhaps appropriately, with a whimper.

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Mona Charen is Policy Editor of The Bulwark, a nationally syndicated columnist, and host of The Bulwark’s Beg to Differ podcast. She can be reached at monacharen@thebulwark.com.
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Msg ID: 2737603 A article with NO credibility, who is Mona Charen? (NT) +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/2/2022 12:56:15 PM

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Msg ID: 2737605 (Yawn) do your own research, you lazy Trumpist bum. (NT) +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 1:02:38 PM

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Msg ID: 2737608 I do! It’s yours, that is in question. +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
8/2/2022 1:12:57 PM

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I do not reference a reporter that has a history of political propaganda!

Are you aware that they are not required to tell the truth, they have made up hundreds of stories about Trump that have never become true.  I do not understand how you can even waste your time reading them.

 



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Msg ID: 2737606 A article with NO credibility, who is Mona Charen? +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 1:08:39 PM

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 Mona Charen reports, writes for The Bulwark, a conservative journal that reports accurately.

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Msg ID: 2737610 Nice! Prove my point! +1/-3     
Author:Old Guy
8/2/2022 1:20:04 PM

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More BS propaganda, you do know that in court that MediaBias/Fact Check testified that what they do is just opinion!

So, time after time you reference propaganda opinions, and consider it fact!

you are a useful idiot.



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Msg ID: 2737611 "Nice! Prove my point!" That's your opinion. Their opinion involves more  +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 1:44:57 PM

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That's your opinion. Their opinion involves more data and facts than you have. Especially as you rely on the words of a known liar, cheat and thief.



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Msg ID: 2737619 What’s the Downside for Humoring Him . . . Until He Dies? +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 4:51:04 PM

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Trump is a loser. He lost the election to Joe Biden. I'll repeat that- Trump lost to Joe Biden.

In other, clearer words- Trump got Joe Biden elected and lost by a significant margin- 46.9% of the popular vote to Biden's 51.3%. Those numbers are better than Trump's 2016 46.1%, that was good enough to get him elected by the electoral college.

Trump is a chariosmatic presence but he's also a disagreeable campaigner. He campaigns on the standard promises and lies, but mostly he insults people who disagree with his 'revealed truth'. I don't know how the Good Lord speaks to The Donald as he's very, very irregular in church attendance- 14 times in the 4 years of his term. 

 

On the other hand:

Sunday services: Biden's faith on display in renewed presidential ritual

As the first president in decades to regularly attend weekly religious services, Joe Biden has plenty of options.
 
Jan. 24, 2021, 3:24 PM EST

 

WASHINGTON — As the pastor of Holy Trinity Church in Washington, D.C., Rev. Kevin Gillespie often saw then-Vice President Joe Biden among the faithful on Sundays. And so when Biden was elected just the nation’s second Roman Catholic president in November, Gillespie checked the parish files.

“He is a registered parishioner,” Gillespie told NBC News. “I looked him up. He’s still there.”

 

It’s been decades since the occupant of the White House has been a regular churchgoer. Biden, who has often said his faith has seen him through searing personal loss, is expected to end that. But amid heightened security and an ongoing pandemic, a permanent routine may have to wait.

Biden attended the noon service at Holy Trinity on Sunday — one of the few that the church is conducting in person during the health crisis. But administration officials would not say if the new president, for whom mass is a family affair, has decided which, if any, local church he might make his own for the next four years.

Attending church virtually or having a priest come to the White House to hold socially-distanced services are among alternative options under consideration. However he decides to worship, the president, and first lady Jill Biden, are likely to receive weekly “spiritual encouragements” over text message, as they did during the campaign.

 
 

Gillespie is among those who’ve been in touch with the White House about Holy Trinity’s adjusted schedule of weekly services — in-person mass held Saturday evening and Sunday afternoon and a virtual mass Sunday morning. He’s also offered to send one of the parish’s Jesuit priests to the White House to perform mass, if requested.

“That's for them to say yes or no,” he said.

Bill Clinton was the last president who regularly attended church in Washington while in office and become a member of a local church. He joined Foundry United Methodist Church, about a mile from the White House. Jimmy Carter also joined a church about a mile from the White House, attending services at First Baptist on 16th Street most Sundays during his time in office.

Donald Trump attended services on occasion, including at St. John's Episcopal Church near the White House, although his most frequent destination on Sundays was to a golf club he owns across the Potomac in Virginia.

Barack Obama also liked to hit the links on Sundays but did attend occasional services at different area churches, including St. John's.

George W. Bush, was deeply religious but didn’t become a regular presence at a church while in the White House. 

Like his father, George H.W. Bush, he spent time at the chapel at Camp David, the secluded presidential retreat in Maryland. After 9/11, there were also concerns about security, but the younger Bush attended services when he returned his home state of Texas.

John F. Kennedy, the nation’s first Catholic president, joined St. Matthews in Washington while he was in office and would attend church regularly. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy attended a different church, St. Stephen Martyr, because it was smaller and easier to secure. Part of the reason Kennedy went to church while in the White House was “he thought that a president should,” said presidential historian Michael Beschloss.

Nixon didn’t go to church but held religious services in the White House, which he used to invite political allies.

Reagan did not go to church regularly, and his team said it was for security reasons after the assassination attempt. But he was a devoted churchgoer after he left office and returned to California.

“Almost always we find that we never really understood a president’s private religious belief and practice at the time he served,” Beschloss said. “And you usually have to wait decades to find out what he believed and what he practiced.”

With Biden, that’s not necessarily the case.

Through the campaign and into the transition, Biden not only rarely missed weekend mass at his home parish in Delaware, he also attended services on holy days of obligation and made an effort to attend services while traveling. His daughter, Ashley Biden, told the "Today Show" last week about helping her father find a small church to attend mass while on the road in the heat of the Democratic primary campaign, before the pandemic.

But he has also opted for in-home services. Over Christmas, when the Bidens never left their Wilmington home, a close family friend, Rev. Kevin O’Brien, a Jesuit priest who is now president of Santa Clara University, celebrated mass for the Bidens virtually.

O’Brien was asked by the Bidens to celebrate mass on Inauguration Day — a service at Washington’s Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle that included bipartisan congressional leadership and close family and friends. He’d held smaller, private masses for the Bidens before his inauguration as vice president in 2009 and in 2013.

“It was something so beautiful because it was so familiar,” O’Brien told NBC News. “I just was so happy that I could help offer that — it was really the church offering that to him.”

O’Brien first met the Bidens while at Holy Trinity and then at Georgetown University. Biden would attend services at both — sometime the morning masses at Holy Trinity, or the later service at Georgetown’s Dahlgren Chapel, depending on his schedule.

O’Brien said he stayed in touch with Biden after he left the vice presidency, and would send him and Jill Biden weekly “spiritual encouragements” over text message during the campaign — something he expects will likely continue with him in the White House.

“I'll be of any support I can to them in the next four years,” O’Brien said.

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Msg ID: 2737623 What’s the Downside for Humoring Him . . . Until He Dies? +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/2/2022 4:58:20 PM

Reply to: 2737619

Trump is a loser. He lost the election to Joe Biden. I'll repeat that- Trump lost to Joe Biden.

In other, clearer words- Trump got Joe Biden elected and lost by a significant margin- 46.9% of the popular vote to Biden's 51.3%. Those numbers are better than Trump's 2016 46.1%, that was good enough to get him elected by the electoral college.

The downside? It ain't 2015 anymore but The Donald is very much a 2015 man. Which he deomstrated clearly by failing to recognize and respond to the novel coronavirus. America still has the highest number of Covid 19 infections:

United States Coronavirus Cases: 93,225,110
Deaths: 1,055,576

India, with a population 5 times as high as the USA has half that number...

Trump is loser and he made America a loser, too.

Biden is a great improvement.

What’s the Downside for Humoring Him . . . Until He Dies?

Republicans have their strategy all set.
 
JULY 25, 2022 
What’s the Downside for Humoring Him . . . Until He Dies?
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We are all, by now, familiar with the most appalling, “boy did that age poorly” anonymous quote in the history of American politics, published by the Washington Post less than two months before the deadly siege of the U.S. Capitol and the attempted assassination of the vice president:

“What’s the downside for humoring him?” they mused.

This pearl of anti-wisdom has become a bumper sticker for Republican cowardice ever since it was published. It has been lambasted by political rivalsTwitter smartasses, and websites populated by Enemies of the People.

The quote was rattling around my brain last Thursday night as I watched Liz Cheney ruthlessly eviscerate her cowering colleagues like a lioness gnawing on a carcass in an NC-17 nature documentary. But it was during that savage meal that something rather alarming occurred to me.

Liz might be winning the argument for history and in my living room. But in present-day Republican politics, that anonymous “what’s the downside for humoring him” moron actually won the day. And not just that day, but today. Because despite how brutally and blatantly their strategy in managing Trump’s psychopathy failed, Senior Republican Officials (SROs) are still employing it.

This time around, Joggin’ Josh and Cowardly Kevin are taking things even further than was initially suggested. Don’t forget the second half of stupid little aphorism from the SRO quoted in the Post. It went like this: “what is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time . . . he’ll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he’ll leave.” 

The SRO’s argument was premised on the (wildly off-base) presupposition that the former guy was just gonna stomp his feet and smear his ketchup on the wall and then move on from the whole coup thing after a few weeks of sucking on his Bedminster-branded pacifier.

You see, back in November 2020, at least the SROs thought that there was an expiration date on their cowardice. They figured that, come January 20, 2021, Trump would be gone and they would no longer have to humor him.

Today the strategy has been modified only in the removal of an expected end date.

The new posture the GOP Smart Set has settled on for dealing with Trump is: “What’s the downside for humoring him . . . until he dies.”

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Rachel Kleinfeld: Republicans Have a Militia Problem

Iwant to be clear about my meaning here: This is not a cheeky exaggeration.

In Thank You for Your Servitude, Mark Leibovich quotes a former congressman who made this macabre wishcasting explicit:

A former Republican congressman told me recently that the party’s only real plan for dealing with Trump in 2024 involved a darkly divine intervention. “We’re just waiting for him to die,” he said.

To paraphrase Rick Page, hoping for death is not, in fact, a strategy.

In the meantime the rest of the Republicans are just gonna keep giving Trump made-up “Champion of Freedom” awards for his “hard work,” inviting him to campaign with them, and joining his scam social media site—until he keels over and they don’t have to go along with the charade any longer.

Even allegedly Trump-skeptical Republicans who have said explicitly that they would prefer the party move on from TFG to a campy tribute artist like Ron DeSantis, argue that the party is best off by continuing to humor Trump’s delusions. And that they should continue even after he is defeated.

An article in National Review made this case last week, arguing that DeSantis’s first “commander-in-chief test” was defeating Trump without alienating the voters that want a MAGA autocracy, because if he were to win the Republican primary without the support of this post-liberal wing it would be a “Pyrrhic victory.”

Once upon a time, National Review was throwing Birchers out of the party. Now they’re saying that the Great Conservative Hope must do whatever it takes to keep them in the party, up to and including pretending he believes our democracy is illegitimate.

This view about how important it is that DeSantis not alienate the people who want to overturn American democracy was echoed by the DeSantis stans on Twitter who mocked my suggestion that the Florida governor signal some daylight between him and Trump on the issue of couping. Keep in mind none of these tweeters were saying that they believed Trump’s lies. They just believed that it’s too much to ask that a politician refuse to humor them.

The obvious subtext to this argument is that even in a hypothetical scenario where DeSantis or someone of his ilk were to dispatch Trump, that victorious candidate would still be forced to continue humoring Trump’s mania in the general election and beyond so as to keep the coalition together.

You wouldn’t want to do anything that might limit the enthusiasm of the Very Fine People who came to the National Mall on January 6th, right? Right?

What’s the downside?


This past week in Arizona we got to see what the “what’s the downside for humoring until he dies” strategy looks like in a live campaign setting.

Over the weekend, Mike Pence, Doug Ducey, Rusty Bowers, and the other Good Republicans™ were campaigning for gubernatorial candidate Karrin Taylor Robson in her upcoming primary against MAGA Drag Queen Kari Lake, who meanwhile was holding a Poconos-standup-act-meets-Confederate-monster-truck-rally with Trump across the state.

There was much scuttlebut in the political class about how this was the first step in the coming internecine Trump-Pence war. But the attacks seemed awfully one-sided.

At the Lake rally, Trump called Bowers a “RINO coward.” Lake said Biden was an “illegitimate president” and that “Trump won.” And Trump-endorsed Senate candidate Blake Masters said they were planning to “prosecute Fauci.”

Meanwhile in the Pence camp the #war was a little more muted. The former VP sent two tweets that had the political class buzzing but . . . well, see for yourself.

 

Some people! Bold! Who might he be talking about there? The person that sent the mob to kill him? Or the RINOs who are still obsessing over Ronald Reagan?

What are “yesterday’s grievances” that he is referring to in tweet two? Trump and Stop the Steal? Or one of the many other grievances of yesteryear shared by Republican politicians?

Those seem less like a full-frontal political attack and more like the kind of tweets you would send if you were adapting your messaging to not make a certain person too upset.

At the rally itself Pence did not admonish Lake over the fact that she continues to advance the absolutely insane election lies that nearly led to his death. That topic didn’t come up.

Instead Pence lambasted her over her . . . past support for Barack Obama.

Some war.

As for Robson, the candidate Pence supports?According to a recent interview, she’s still not sure the election in 2020 was “fair” to Trump.

At least that’s what she says. And maybe Mike Pence agrees. Who’s to say? Not him.

What we do know is that neither Robson, nor Pence, nor anyone else who wants a future in Trump’s party will ever tell us what they really think, as long as Trump is still alive and kickin’.

Instead they will soldier on. Playing the same big game of pretend with our democracy in the balance.

After all, the downside for humoring him for just a little more time is likely to be felt by other people. And the upside of humoring? That accrues directly to the Republicans who want power.

But don’t worry. Eventually they’ll be able to tell the truth. Probably.

As long as he’s the one who croaks first.

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Tim Miller

Tim Miller is The Bulwark’s writer-at-large and the author of the best-selling book Why We Did It: A Travelogue from the Republican Road to Hell. He was previously political director for Republican Voters Against Trump and communications director for Jeb Bush 2016.


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