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Msg ID: 2737904 Things are starting to look up again (much to the chagrin of Old guy) +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
8/4/2022 6:06:09 PM

1. Stock market posted one of the best months in years ... Coming back strong

2. Corporate earnings are all better than expected

3. Ukraine is starting to come back 

4. Biden authorized taking out the #1 Taliban guy

5. Gas prices are steadily coming down and are at a 6-month low

6. Biden racking up wins and quite possibly may sign into law historic legislation

7. The Trump Train is unravelling. His cabinet is VOLUNTARILY cooperating with the J6 commitee

8. The Senate control in the mid-terms is now up for grabs - Election betting ods putting it at 50/50 now and fivethirtyeight puts it at 59% chance of democrats winning the senate 

9. Justice department is now investigating Trump for J6 

10. NY AG is investigatin Trump and is getting sworn depositions from them

11. Georgia is close to indicting Trump

I'd say things are going pretty well - Happy to be living in these times



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Msg ID: 2737922 Really the country is in a recession! +2/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/4/2022 7:58:50 PM

Reply to: 2737904

None of us want to see things turn worse, but it is a real reach to think things are getting better, because of Biden.  You could have explained why, but there is no "Biden did this or that".  Let me give you more of a real point about things happening, and why.

1.  I would assume you don't make investments in stocks or other types of capital investments.  If you did you would know that during a recession the stock market is one of the best places to invest.  None of us would put capital into start up or expansion enterprises, buying time of inflation and recession.  Currently the market does not look that bad, it is slowly moving up,  the S&P 500 is only down 3;749 under Biden.

2.  Corporate earns are better than what!  World wide they are down over 8%, in the US they are down 5.9%.  How the hell can they be up when the economy contracted.9%.

3.  Ukraine is starting to come back, what kind of statement is that?  What are they coimg back from?  They would not have any of this war, if Biden wasn't such a pathetic leader.

4.  A good thing!

5.  Gas prices are coming down because the economy is in the pits.   Demand for gas is lower than before COVID-19.  Bladeslap, I don't think you ever understood market forces.

6.  Biden has NO wins, You can't name one.

7.  Trump train is moving right along, record braking election wins, for people he has indorsed.

8.  you are delusional.

10. & 11.  After 6 years and no-one has anything to charge Trump.

12.  Yes, I would say things are going well if your not Biden.



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Msg ID: 2737931 Really the country is in a recession! +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
8/4/2022 9:42:03 PM

Reply to: 2737922

here are some observations:

1. When gas prices go up, you blame Biden. When they go down, it has nothing to do with biden

2. You are sore that Trump got decimated

3. Your ego still wont allow you to believe he got decimated

4. How much more evidence do you need that he lost? Why can you show no "EVIDENCE" that there was fraud...something that the courts agree with you on ... But, when a conservative group comes out  and debunks EVERY single claim, you still can't let go of the ego

5. Trump could have taken out the Taliban leader and did not becaue he's absolute abject moron - Reports are "He didn;t recognize the name, so he didnt want to take him out' - Ya, our fearless leader lol

6. Oh Biden has lots of wins ... First he removed the cancer from office. That was perhaps the biggest win of them all. He restored dignity to the office and we once again are respected around the world. Look at the Pew Research study on views towards america when Trump was in and how they returned to the high levels when biden took office

That's just a start - Infrastructure bill was something no other president was able to do in decades... 

But, old guy, with your delusions, nothing he does is good. You are a koolaid drinking Trump supporter, so there's no logic and reasoning with you...

You write with anger and angst and you refuse to admit you were wrong (like teh election was stolen...which has been proven tima and time again that it was not)

Oh, and for you info, the lawyers who were touting the "false election claims" were disbarred or sanctioned. You think the american bar association is also wrong? 

Grow up and get your head out of the sand.



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Msg ID: 2737932 You are completely delusional! (NT) +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/4/2022 9:51:15 PM

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Msg ID: 2737939 Jan. 22: A reporter asks if there are worries about a pandemic. Trump respo +5/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/4/2022 10:04:06 PM

Reply to: 2737932

Jan. 22: A reporter asks if there are worries about a pandemic. Trump responds:

“No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”

 

 

Trump had it totally under control. 

A million dead Americans.

The highest unemployment rate ever.

The sharpest economic contraction since the Great Depression.

 Makes Joe Biden look good, don't it?

 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2737944 OH! He looks good +3/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/4/2022 10:58:33 PM

Reply to: 2737939

27 states have filed law suits over Biden's handling of COVID and the mandates.  your support of him is not justified by what happened!

Crow if he did so well, why is his ratings so low?  Why is the left trying to dump him?



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Msg ID: 2738003 "OH! He looks good"? Republicans Explain Why They’re Cooling on Trump +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/5/2022 12:38:47 PM

Reply to: 2737944

The investigations following the indictments will reveal Trump's criminality. He didn't hang around with Roy Cohn, other mob and organized crime figures to discuss morality, philosophy.

 

Republicans Explain Why They’re Cooling on Trump

Conversations with Missouri GOP voters.
 
AUGUST 1, 2022 
 

Sarah Longwell, a master at detecting emerging trends from focus groups, has recently been alerting audiences that Republican voters are losing their enthusiasm for a third Trump presidential run.

Curious to hear what declining GOP support for Trump actually sounds like—and to get a sense of what’s animating it—we took the opportunity on July 26 to probe that topic, and various others, in two focus groups. The respondents were not our usual Trump-to-Biden swing voters, but rather thirteen Missouri Republicans who, even at this late date, remain undecided in the state’s August 2 GOP Senate primary. (Disclosure: The research was sponsored by Arnold Ventures.)

While these Republican respondents expressed mixed emotions, they were by and large either opposed to or underwhelmed by the possibility of a Trump 2024 presidential run.

Five of the thirteen said outright that they don’t want him to run again. Many of those cited his character and his behavior on January 6th as his greatest shortcomings. John M., 54, from Wildwood, shared his disapproval of the former president: “I think it’s just a real character issue. I voted for him last time. I don’t think he has the character to be president. I love his policies, but don’t like his character at all.”

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Lisa R., 43, from Smithville, had similar thoughts about Trump’s character, saying that it “tells a lot of a person to have the bullying stance that [Trump] took within his party and against the Democratic party, and then have his wife run an anti-bullying campaign. . . . So for me, he lost a lot of respect just throughout his whole presidential term.”

One respondent, Kathy R., 65, from St. Louis, strongly disapproved of Trump’s role in the events on January 6th, calling them wrong and essentially disqualifying him as fit for the presidency. “And just that fact alone [January 6th], the man doesn’t deserve to be president again,” she said. “I mean, that was the first time that it’s happened on a federal building . . . and by a president . . . so I’m just totally against him.”

One of the most surprising emotions expressed by respondents was one that is not usually associated with Republican voters’ attitudes towards Donald Trump: ambivalence. Indeed, of those who remain open to another Trump campaign, many expressed the most tepid form of excitement.

“I’m by no means overly enthusiastic about Trump running,” said Diane B., 47, from Platte City. “I would say I’m between ambivalent and [being] for him running.” Sounding like a buyer who has started to shop around as her brand loyalty wanes, she added, “I would really like to see maybe [what] some of the other options are.”

When considering alternate candidates, Richard F., 32, from Platte City, saw Trump as somewhat of a default vote, with no other candidates filling his conception of an ideal president—at least not yet. “If it was between [Trump] and Biden, it’d be [Trump], but, you know, I would rather prefer a stronger candidate,” he said. “I guess I’m not saying if it was between the two of them that I wouldn’t go with [Trump], so I don’t want him to not run.”

Tina B., 46, from High Ridge, echoed Richard’s opinion: “I’m not 100 percent where I don’t support him [Trump], but I agree that there are some things that he’s probably lost a lot of support, and thinking about it, I don’t think he represented the country in the best light. . . . I would rather have a stronger candidate that would be more supported by the Republican party.”

Who is this potentially stronger candidate that these two respondents are looking for? With Mike Pence and Ron DeSantis aiming for the Republican nomination and performing well in early national polling, we wondered how Missouri Republican voters feel about them both.

Of the thirteen GOP respondents, eight want DeSantis to run, and only three want Pence to run.

Why were so few supportive of Pence?

Richard said that “frankly, I didn’t really see much of him when he was VP.” And Lisa R. observed, “He doesn’t seem like he wants it. I mean, he’s really been out of the limelight since the election.”

Harking back to Pence’s time as vice president, Jeff K., 64, from O’Fallon, added:

He just seemed like he would just be OK with anything that Donald Trump did. And so I lost a lot of respect for him in that matter. . . . After the January 6th thing, I think he stood up and did some good things. But his standing up during that time . . . was outweighed by four years of just kind of like being a lackey.


It is not only Republican presidential candidates who do not excite these respondents, but also many of the candidates running in the upcoming Missouri Republican Senate primary. Most of the respondents are unaware of who is running. When shown unlabeled photos of the three leading Republican Senate candidates, a majority could not identify any by name.

The most identifiable—or least unidentifiable—candidate was Eric Greitens. Of the six respondents who recognized him, all used very harsh words to describe him. Lisa R. labeled him a “party jumper” because “he gets wishy washy on what he wants to stand for.” Some of the other respondents were more vicious, calling him a “weasel” and “conniving.” Kathy called him “unethical, immoral, and not a good guy.”

Super PAC ad featuring a voiceover reading sworn statements from Sheena Greitens, the candidate’s ex-wife, raises pointed questions about his integrity and temperament. We showed that ad to respondents. Many questioned whether the ad was telling the truth, but at the same time most respondents thought it cast enough doubt that it would make it harder for them to vote for Greitens in the Senate primary.

The two other leading GOP Senate candidates—Vicky Hartzler and Eric Schmitt—were less well known, and received more moderate or indifferent descriptions from the few respondents who recognized them. Hartzler was described as “conservative and measured” by Diane B., and Jeff K. recognized Schmitt, the state’s attorney general, as being “strong on crime.”

It seems that undecided Missouri Republican voters’ lack of enthusiasm for Trump extends not only to other GOP presidential candidates but to the state’s top-tier Senate primary candidates as well. Perhaps it’s the candidates themselves. Or perhaps it’s just the DNA of undecided voters, many of whom don’t pay close attention to campaigns and then struggle mightily to make up their minds.

Rich Thau and Jill DiTommaso

Rich Thau is the president of the research firm Engagious, which specializes in message testing and message refinement for trade associations and advocacy groups. He is also the moderator of the Swing Voter Project, conducted in partnership with Schlesinger Group. Jill DiTommaso is an intern at Engagious and a student at Haverford College.


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Msg ID: 2738011 "OH! He looks good" Slamming Biden doesn't make Trump better............... (NT) +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/5/2022 1:46:53 PM

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Msg ID: 2738079 RIGHT BACK ATCHA BROTHER +1/-2     
Author:observer II
8/6/2022 10:20:32 AM

Reply to: 2738011

Biden's approval rating is like 30%

Trump was NEVER that low

What was that agian about making someone look bad :)

Remember this crofraud. Everything you accuse us of doing is exactly what you are doing.

Hope that wan't too many words in a row. I can slow it down for you if it would help.

Last  straw is a comin !!



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Msg ID: 2738252 "RIGHT BACK ATCHA BROTHER" Your morality depends on popular opinion? +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/7/2022 9:57:51 PM

Reply to: 2738079

Or msybe it's more about what YOU gain? There's a term for those who profit by being 'f*cked, but it ain't allowed on this forum.



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