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Msg ID: 2738271 Obsy, Old Guy, Flipper - A Question +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
8/8/2022 7:42:54 AM

There are plenty of very conservagtive judges and plenty of congressmen and senators who still "support" trump (they support him, at least publicly; privately is another matter)

My quesiton to you: If there truly is Credible Evidence that there as fraud, and moreso enough fraud to make a difference in the election, where is it? 

Guilinani clearly said he will provide overwhelming credible proof that the election was stolen... We have not seen it nor have we heard it. In fact, he lost his law license because he circulated these claims THAT WERE NEVER BACKED UP BY FACTS.

“If President Trump comes out and says: ‘Guys, I have irrefutable proof of fraud, the courts won’t listen, and I’m now calling on Americans to take up arms,’ we would go,” said Fryar, wearing a button-down shirt, pressed slacks and a paisley tie during a recent interview at his office.

BUT, TRUMP HAS NOT PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE ... NEARLY TWO YEARS LATER.

So, then I ask you, what are you waiting for? Are you waiting for him to show you some proof? Even a Trump-supported paid audit in AZ showed not only that Trump lost, but he lost by even more than previously thought. In fact, Old guy was all over this audit hoping and praying that it would match his theories of fraud... it didn't

'Truth is truth': Trump dealt blow as Republican-led Arizona audit reaffirms Biden win

PHOENIX, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden in Arizona's most populous county, a review of results by his allies in the Republican Party has reaffirmed, capping a widely panned effort spurred by Trump's false claims of voter fraud.

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, the Republican who paved the way for the so-called "full forensic audit" of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County, said the review's overall vote tally matched the initial results in November.

 

"Truth is truth, numbers are numbers," Fann said at a Senate hearing on the review, which found only small variations, yielding 99 additional votes for Biden and 261 fewer votes for Trump. "Those numbers were close, within a few hundred."

The conclusion will dismay Trump supporters who had pushed for the review, many in the expectation that it would prove his unfounded assertions that he was robbed of re-election due to orchestrated fraud. So far no such proof has been produced either by Trump or his backers.

 


PHOENIX, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden in Arizona's most populous county, a review of results by his allies in the Republican Party has reaffirmed, capping a widely panned effort spurred by Trump's false claims of voter fraud.

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, the Republican who paved the way for the so-called "full forensic audit" of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County, said the review's overall vote tally matched the initial results in November.

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"Truth is truth, numbers are numbers," Fann said at a Senate hearing on the review, which found only small variations, yielding 99 additional votes for Biden and 261 fewer votes for Trump. "Those numbers were close, within a few hundred."

The conclusion will dismay Trump supporters who had pushed for the review, many in the expectation that it would prove his unfounded assertions that he was robbed of re-election due to orchestrated fraud. So far no such proof has been produced either by Trump or his backers.

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Outside groups tied to the "Stop the Steal" movement and other efforts to cast doubt on the 2020 results raised nearly all of the $6 million to fund the inquiry, viewing it as a catalyst for similar investigations in Pennsylvania, Michigan and other battleground states that Trump lost.

In Texas on Thursday, the secretary of state's office said the state had begun an audit of the presidential election in its four largest counties - Dallas, Harris, Tarrant and Collin - an announcement that came hours after Trump publicly called for such a move. Although Trump carried Texas, Biden won three of the targeted counties.

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Trump, who had predicted the Arizona inquiry would substantiate his claims, issued a statement that appeared at odds with the review's findings, calling it "a big win for democracy and a big win for us."

Ben Ginsberg, a longtime Republican election lawyer who represented Republican George W. Bush when he prevailed over Democrat Al Gore in a 2000 electoral dispute, called the review's conclusions a "huge defeat" for Trump.

"This was Donald Trump's best chance to prove his cases of elections being rigged and fraudulent and they failed," Ginsberg said on a media call organized by the States United Democracy Center, a nonpartisan policy group.

 



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Msg ID: 2738277 Election fraud has been presented over and over, IGNORED! +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/8/2022 9:09:38 AM

Reply to: 2738271

Bladeslap, remember just this one fact.

23 states filed suit over the election in four battle ground states!

The Suprime Court did not consider the case claiming Texas had no standing.

But now, two of those states that were sued, have had rulings from state courts, that the election was in violation of the constitution.

It is a fact that the election didn't meet the requirements of the constitution and that is true in many states.

So I ask you, How can you consider Biden to honestly hold the Office of President?

 

 



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Msg ID: 2738278 When a case has no merit, it is “dismissed” +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
8/8/2022 9:22:39 AM

Reply to: 2738277

If the courts, both liberal, moderate and conservative rule or view a claim with no legal merit, it is dismissed - "Ignored" in your eyes - 

Thats how we weed out frivolous nonsense and actual real provable claims

65+ cases were dismissed by the courts because either they had no merit, or in many of the cases an argument  was made but zero evidence was supplied. The Trump lawyers were even chastised and ridiculed by the judges for wasting their time.

do you realize how many conspiracy claims you made which were already debunked and thrown out of court and proven incorrect? You lose track of that but we don't. You're not interested in the truth you're interested in being right. That's how you operate



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Msg ID: 2738283 Really! +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/8/2022 10:02:05 AM

Reply to: 2738278

The Suprem Court did not make the claim the law suit had no legal merit, they ruled it had no standing.  Big difference!  THEY IGNORED THE CASE.

Courts that have viewed the evidence have ruled the elections were conducted in violation of the constitution.

I ask you again, "How can you consider Biden to honestly hold the Office of the President?

 



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Msg ID: 2738286 You don't understand how the courts work obviously +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
8/8/2022 10:40:47 AM

Reply to: 2738283

If the court sees NO merit to hear the case, the deny taking it up. They didn't ignore it ... They reviewed it and refused to hear it ... Why?

It has NO Merit. 

They review the petition, and IF THEY FEEL there is no legal standing (because ultimately, the Supreme court is the final Appeals Court), They reject it - It's not "Ignored"

What you're mistaking is "I, Old guy thinks they should have heard the case" ... And you know they get hundreds if not thousands of cases a year, from appeal, that go to the Supreme court.

If at least four of the justices feel they should hear the case, then it is heard. If not, it's a done deal

Similarly, Trump appealed to the Supreme court to block the J6 committee from obtaining records. 


The court announced on Tuesday in its latest list of orders that it would not take up Trump’s appeal to a lower-court ruling allowing the select committee access to the documents.

So, to your point, "The Supreme Court Ignored Trump's case"

The supreme court did not hear it becasue THERE WAS NO LEGAL STANDING FOR APPEAL TO THEM. They only take up a case where there is a legal standing to appeal a lower court decision.  They sumarily said "No, you have ZERO legal standing"

So, given that, and given Trump appointed 3 of the 9 justices, there were not 4 justices on the court to agree that the case should be heard

Parallel to this, every single other case was thrown out or decided against him. So what you are saying is this is a massive big conspiracy that involved every single court in the nation?

If you want a list of all the cases:

Trump, Republican Lawsuits Challenging 2020 Election: List (businessinsider.com)

Every Single One was thrown out or decided against him - every single one ....

Every single one ...

Occam's Razor: is the idea that, in trying to understand something, getting unnecessary information out of the way is the fastest way to the truth or to the best explanation.

The simplest explanation is generally the correct one - 

You have tried to complicate this ...

TRUMP LOST LEGITIMATELY _ 

 

1. Every single Court believes that

2. His own VP believes it

3. His own DOJ beieves it

4. Former seante majority leader believes it

5. His own election Czar believes it

6. His own daughter believes it

Yet you still persist ... 

Lunacy

 



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Msg ID: 2738293 Possibly you are the stupidest person I know! +1/-2     
Author:Old Guy
8/8/2022 11:19:48 AM

Reply to: 2738286

Did 23 states sue the four battle ground states?  YES!

Did the Suprime Court rule the suit, had no standing?     YES!

Did the Suprime Court make any ruling on the merit of the case?    NO!

Did the Suprime Court view any of the evidence of the case?   NO!

Did the Suprime Court IGNORE the case?  YES!

Those are the damn facts about the law suit.

Have other courts ruled on the same evidence taken to the Supreme Court?  Yes!

Did they rule that the election was in violation of the constitution?   Yes!

Have we discussed this before, YES!

So you are totally aware of court's ruling that the election was in violation of the constitution.  Your last reply was "the votes still should count."  This is just one more example of you and the left destruction of our country, can't even support a constitutional accepted election.

I will ask you one more time.  "How can you consider Biden to honestly hold the Office Of President?"

 



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Msg ID: 2738296 Getting a little emotional? +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
8/8/2022 11:43:06 AM

Reply to: 2738293

If I'm one of the stupidest people I know, that's a complement coming from you, because everything you post on here is generally 180 degrees oposite of truth and reality; so I must be a genius.

That said, spend some time researching what Writs of Certioari are. 

  1. If a petitioner, AKA Trump, is not satisified with the order of a lower court, they petition the U.S. supremem court
  2. The supreme court the akss the lower court to send up the records of the case
  3. The court will hear the case if it believes it is of national significance, might harmonize multiple lower court rulings, or have precedential value 

So, as we discussed before, it takes 4 justices to agree to hear a case, however, 1 justice can grant a stay (let's say, for an execution) before the entire court reviews it.

If they agree to take the case, the petitioner must write a brief

However, the justices obvioulsy did not believe there was any merit to the case....

So, your logic shows you are very uneducated as to how the courts work. Your theory is that if they didn't take the case, then the case may have merit because they "ignored it" ...

Nope, they reviewed the ruling of the lower court and agree with the conclusion. Period ... end of story

The part that you don;t seem to understand is NO court ruled that any votes should be invalidated. There are always mistakes made in elections ... Always .. And in this one, things were challenged vigorously...But, the rule of Law did NOT invalidate a single vote.

Shall I say it again ... The rule of law did not invalidate a single vote. 

It's called THE LAW  - That's how it works

So maybe you can get that concept through your head. 

Trump LOST

He did not win ... He LOST

And no judge even suggested that votes be invalidated ... even if you can find some sort of tecnicality ... The propssect of disengranchsing voters and having a re-do rather than trying to understand how we proceed going forward to correct any issues.

Furthermore, you are an extrremely one-sided opinionated person - You dont think the republicans were trying to block votes whereever and whenever possible to win? You cant be that "naive" ....

Oh yes I forget, you can be.

 



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Msg ID: 2738297 They don't get any more naive than you +3/-0     
Author:bladeslap
8/8/2022 11:48:19 AM

Reply to: 2738293

So, you believe you are smarter than

1. The supreme court

2. VP Mike Pence

3. Ivanka Trump

4. William Bar

5. Mitch McConnell

6. Liz Cheney 

7. Every single court who threw cases out ..

You are basically saying you have some inside information that they are not practicing law propelry, not thinking this through properly .. Please educate us why so many intelligent people who said :TRUMP LOST: are wrong and you are right ... 

Old guy, I'm going to give you some friendly adivce.

1. You are part of a cult and you don't realize it

2. You don;t understand that this country is a countr of laws, not a country of opinions that you have

3. There is a legal system and jurisprudence that allows us to rationally and legally come to conclusions about how we govern, how we handle disputes 

4. There is an appeals process as well

You apparently do not undertstand anything about how the legal system works because you keep re-iterating the same nonsense points to make you feel better about yourelf 

Old guy, you are wrong ... You know you are wrong ... And I can PROVE you're wrong because every single court case agrees with ME, not with you.

So, with all due respect, it's time for you to get some help, because i sincerly believe you need it.



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Msg ID: 2738309 Dick Cheney told you what time it is, time to wake up... (NT) +5/-0     
Author:Jett
8/8/2022 1:15:04 PM

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Msg ID: 2738316 If the case has no standing, it can't have any merit. +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/8/2022 1:43:58 PM

Reply to: 2738293

And one can reasonably expect it to be ignored.

Trump lost. He admits it. He should have lost in 2016 or he should have hired the same people to run his 2020 campaign. But- The Donald 'knows better than anybody else" and didn't.

"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18.

 

 

Maybe Trump should actually have read that book he held upside down outside St. John's:



 

 

 



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Msg ID: 2738324 Here's Trump, again, at St John's flashing gang sign +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
8/8/2022 1:51:45 PM

Reply to: 2738316

Is that "Crip"? "Blood"? i think he's publically "OG", so maybe that's it?




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Msg ID: 2738327 Here's Trump, again, at St John's flashing gang sign +2/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/8/2022 1:57:26 PM

Reply to: 2738324

Wrong image. All you tighty-whities look the same in your gestapo uniforms.

But here is your fuhrer pretending to be a good Christian but 'flashing'




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Msg ID: 2738328 Trump attended church services 14 times during his administration- only  +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/8/2022 2:03:10 PM

Reply to: 2738324

Trump attended church services 14 times during his administration- only twice in his administration.

Am I a car because I've been in my garage more than Trump has been to St John's services?



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Msg ID: 2738330 Trump attended church services 14 times during his administration- only  +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/8/2022 2:04:11 PM

Reply to: 2738328

Shoot, I attended church more in a month than The Donald did during his entire administration.



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Msg ID: 2738497 Who gives a phuck crofraud? Obviously church hasn't guided you well in your +1/-2     
Author:observer II
8/9/2022 5:38:37 PM

Reply to: 2738330

personal life. Otherwise you wouldn't be so hateful and vindictive.

Maybe you should focus on simply being a good person instead of this church hypocrit you seem to be portraiting.

Just some friendly advice, you know, from a friend



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Msg ID: 2738506 "Who gives a phuck crofraud?" You do and that's a good start. (NT) +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/9/2022 6:29:20 PM

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