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Msg ID: 2739668 So let's have a big hand for governor Gavin Newsome +6/-3     
Author:observer II
8/19/2022 3:52:16 PM

His democratic policies have produced yet another store robbery.

His soft stance on crime has resulted in a 17% increase just in LA alone. And LA isn't the worst city in Cali.

A mob of thugs raided a local store stealing everything they could get their hands on. Sending store employees to hide in the back fearing for their lives.

Thugs jumping over the countrer and throwing merchandise to their fellow thugs.

This is the predicted result of democratis policies. They enable this type of behavior.

If they do that to enough stores, the local peoplpe will have to drive to Anaheim to get groceries.

Yeah, gotta love the blue states run by liberals. 

You'd be hard pressed to name a blue city / state that isn't riddled with crime. No worries Mr Thug, they letting 33% of the criminals back onto the streets. Maybe they should install revolving doors at the prisions now. Could save some time :)



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Msg ID: 2739802 Come on man, this is exacty what you libs wanted +3/-2     
Author:observer II
8/21/2022 8:26:21 AM

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Why the negativity?

This is exactly what happens when you defund the police. When you chastize law enforcement and memorialize the thugs.

I mean, what else could possibly be the outcome of such behavior.

All the blue run cities have historic homocide rates. You guys have managed to turn the city of brotherly love into the most crime ridden city in American history. I'd take the Deleware memorial bridge into Jersy just so I didn't have to drive through Philly anymore.

You must ask yourself this question. Why is it that when liberals run things, they turn to shit. Liberal policies DO NOT work.

- They want to release 33% of the prison population. Which is what? 70% black.I doubt whitey is included in the release plan.

- They do not even arrest people if they steal less than $600. That number has probably increased due to bidens high inflation caused by more liberal policies.

- They are tearing down our history and replacing it with statues of black thugs. Thugs that have killed people, thugs that have ALL broken the law. But thugs that have been terminated by white law enforcement only. Let's ignore the true facts that cops kill far more whites than blacks. But they want to focus strictly on white/black killings. Also keep in mind every single account was the thug not cooperating and being combative.

- They encourage and support BLM & ANTIFA which has resulted in billions of dollars in damage.Billions of dollars in damage that will be passed onto the American taxpayer.

- They encourage and support of the harrassing of our Supreme court judges. And the dems refused to provide extra security for them. All conservative judges BTW. Hoping of course some nut will terminate one of them so they can appoint more liberalism.

I can understand why a lib doesn't want to get into this one.. I would avoid it like the plague. But it does show what they are. And that's the point here



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Msg ID: 2739893 Come on man, this is exacty what you libs wanted +3/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/22/2022 1:36:48 PM

Reply to: 2739802

This is exactly what happens when you defund the police. When you chastize law enforcement and memorialize the thugs.

My understanding is that a lot, if not most law enforcement calls are in reality social worker calls. Were that so then reducing law enforements work load would be a good thing.

"When a hammer is your only tool, every issue looks like a nail"    Abraham Maslow

 

There’s already an alternative to calling the police

A 31-year-old program in Eugene, Oregon, is a model in de-escalating situations that could end with law enforcement violence.

As citizens across the country fill the streets to protest police killings of Black people, the violent response from law enforcement has added urgency to a national conversation about police brutality. Pressure is mounting to reform or abolish police departments. City officials in Western urban centers like Los Angeles are reducing police budgets — L.A.’s currently totals $1.8 billion — and reinvesting in underfunded social initiatives. Minneapolis City Council members pledged in June to disband its police department entirely. As cities look for what’s next, there is already a proven system of de-escalation for the high volume of mental health calls that police respond to, which often end in violence.

Mobile, community-based crisis programs employ first responders that are not police to address disturbances where crimes are not being committed. One of the nation’s longest-running examples is CAHOOTS — Crisis Assistance Helping Out On The Streets — in Eugene, Oregon. CAHOOTS has inspired similar programs in other cities in the region, including the Denver Alliance for Street Health ResponseMobile Assistance Community Responders of Oakland and Portland Street Response in Oregon.

 

Such programs take police out of the equation when someone is going through a mental health crisis, struggling with substance abuse, or experiencing homelessness. When police show up, situations can escalate, and the use of force can be disproportionate, especially towards Black peoplea 2016 study estimated that 20% to 50% of fatal encounters with law enforcement involved someone with a mental illness. Advocates say the CAHOOTS model shows those encounters aren’t inevitable: Less than 1% of the calls that CAHOOTS responds to need police assistance. The CAHOOTS system relies on trauma-informed de-escalation and harm reduction, which reduces calls to police, averts harmful arrest-release-repeat cycles, and prevents violent police encounters.

 

With just over 2% of the Eugene and Springfield police departments’ annual budgets, CAHOOTS teams answered 17% of the department’s overall call volume. This has saved the city, on average, $8.5 million each year.
Thomas Patterson

THE WHITE BIRD CLINIC in Eugene started CAHOOTS 31 years ago as an alternative for people who felt alienated or disenfranchised from systems that had failed them, CAHOOTS Operations Coordinator Tim Black said in an interview. “We’re there to listen, we’re there to empathize, and we’re there to really reflect on what they’re going through,” and to discuss ways to access resources to help them. CAHOOTS — a free, 24/7 community service — is funded by Eugene and neighboring Springfield at a cost of around $2 million, equal to just over 2% of their police departments’ annual budgets. The program is currently fundraising to expand and make up for COVID-19-related budget cuts.

Under the model, instead of police, a medic and a mental health worker are dispatched for calls such as welfare checks or potential overdoses. In 2017, such teams answered 17% of the Eugene Police Department’s overall call volume. This has saved the city, on average, $8.5 million each year from 2014-2017, according to the White Bird Clinic.

“The patient that we’re serving is the expert in their situation. They know that were a voluntary resource and that we’re not going to take their rights away just because weve shown up on scene.”

Though CAHOOTS uses the police department’s central dispatch, it is distinct from the department. Employees do not carry guns or wear uniforms; instead, they wear casual hoodies and drive vans with a dove painted on the side. CAHOOTS’ methods are designed to prevent escalation, Black said. “If an officer enters that situation with power, with authority, with that uniform and a command presence, that situation is really likely to escalate.”

It’s a false assumption that people experiencing a mental health crisis will respond violently, Black said, and a police response is often unnecessary. CAHOOTS fielded over 24,000 calls last year; less than 1% of them needed assistance from police, and no one has ever been seriously injured. “That type of mentality really contributes to the othering that has permitted oppression and marginalization to persist,” Black said. “By and large, folks who are unhoused, who are experiencing behavioral health issues, are much more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.”

 

Ashley Barnhill Hubbard , center, and Christian Hawks, left, speak with the parents of a young man having a mental health crisis at the University of Oregon, in Eugene, Oregon. Each CAHOOTS crisis worker completes 500 hours of training in areas including medical care, conflict resolution and crisis counseling.
Thomas Patterson

CAHOOTS differs from other mental health partnerships with the police in important ways: Staff employ “unconditional positive regard,” a phrase from psychology that means complete support and acceptance for the people they encounter, and the organization is run as a “consensus collective,” rather than a hierarchy. Every employee’s voice carries equal weight.

Each crisis worker completes 500 hours of training in areas including medical care, conflict resolution and crisis counseling. Around 60% of CAHOOTS’ patients are homeless, and about 30% have severe or persistent mental illness. “The patient that we’re serving is the expert in their situation,” Black said. “They know that were a voluntary resource and that we’re not going to take their rights away just because weve shown up on scene.”

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Dorothy Siemens, an artist who grew up in Eugene and still lives there, said that she, her family and her friends all call CAHOOTS, rather than the police, when they see someone in distress. The option makes her feel like a more responsible community member. When Siemens managed a downtown cafe, she used the service often. “I really don’t have the tools, and I think the police in our community also don’t have the tools” for people in crisis, she said. “There really shouldn’t be one group of people who is expected to cover all of those bases, especially a group a people who are weaponized and militarized. ... Their training shows them ‘that’s something I have to respond to with force.’ ”

INCREASINGLY, COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS are reaching out to CAHOOTS, hoping to develop similar programs. Since 2013, the city of Portland, Oregon, just a couple hours north of Eugene, has seen a 60% increase of “unwanted person” calls to 911, according to a Willamette Week analysis of Portland Police Bureau data. In 2017, an Oregonian analysis found that 52% of arrests involved homeless individuals, even though they comprise less than 3% of Portland’s population. 

In 2019, Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty and Street Roots, a homeless advocacy publication, introduced Portland Street Response, a police alternative based on the CAHOOTS model. The pilot program, which was officially approved and funded by the city last November, focused on a southeast Portland neighborhood where 911 calls were on the rise. The program is now on hold because of the coronavirus, but Hardesty hopes to get on the ground soon. As the city considers cutting its police budget, Hardesty is pushing for $4.8 million to go towards Portland Street Response instead. “We are long overdue for investments in police alternatives, including Portland Street Response,” Hardesty, the first Black woman elected to Portland’s city council, said in a statement to High Country News. “There’s no doubt we need to reimagine what it looks like to get the right responder to the right situation at the right time.”

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Nationwide protests have spurred renewed urgency for programs like these, which show a stark contrast to the typical police response. This month, the Coalition for Police Accountability in Oakland presented a final report to the city council to begin its own pilot program, MACRO, this summer. In Denver, in May, Vinnie Cervantes worked as a medic with the Denver Alliance for Street Health Response, which he also directs. It’s part of a mutual aid nexus that emerged during protests in the city over the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. Cervantes and others treated protesters who were left bleeding and bruised after police fired off tear gas, rubber bullets and flash-bangs and pummeled them with batons. To Cervantes and others, it was yet another example of how quickly police resort to excessive force. “Our community stepped up to collaborate and create a network of support to solve a larger public safety crisis,” Cervantes said. “That’s something we can take beyond protest.”

“There’s no doubt we need to reimagine what it looks like to get the right responder to the right situation at the right time.”

Policing and jails account for 30% of Denver’s overall budget. The repurposing of those funds would be a huge opportunity for collective efforts like Denver Alliance, which resembles the CAHOOTS model. But no single model will work for every city, said Cervantes. Each program needs to be adaptive and reflect its community; Eugene, after all, is much smaller and has a whiter population than Denver, Oakland or Portland. “It’s really important that it is community-based, by people that look like us and that have our shared experience,” said Cervantes, who is Latino. Otherwise, the program will only replicate the same systemic problems.

In June, Cervantes’ organization helped start a pilot program in partnership with the city of Denver, called Support Team Assisted Response. Cervantes hopes to develop a full-fledged program by 2021. But, for now, on the streets, “we’re literally seeing our own proof of concept of how we can take ownership of crisis ourselves, and have solutions,” he said. “We don’t have to view everyone as a threat.”

Anna V. Smith is an assistant editor for High Country News. Email her at annasmith@hcn.org or submit a letter to the editor

Note: This story has been updated to correct the CAHOOTS budget, which is just over 2% of Eugene and Springfield police departments’ budgets, not 1%, and that Minneapolis City Council members pledged to disband its police force, but did not vote on it.

 

 


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Msg ID: 2739917 All I can say is....HUH ?????????? (NT) +1/-2     
Author:observer II
8/22/2022 4:48:40 PM

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Msg ID: 2740018 Cops are overloaded with bullsh and social worker appropriate calls +4/-0     
Author:TheCrow
8/23/2022 3:54:07 PM

Reply to: 2739917

Cops are overloaded with bullsh and social worker appropriate calls. Anything that can be done to reduce that workload is going to make policing more efficient and effective.

 

Eugene Police officer Bo Rankin, left, meets with Cahoots administrative coordinator Ben Brubaker and emergency crisis worker Matt Eads, right, after working a shift together as part of the Community Outreach Response Team in Eugene.   Mandatory Credit: Chris Pietsch/The Register-Guard via USA TODAY NETWORK
 

This town of 170,000 replaced some cops with medics and mental health workers. It's worked for over 30 years

Updated 10:10 PM ET, Sun July 5, 2020

(CNN)Around 30 years ago, a town in Oregon retrofitted an old van, staffed it with young medics and mental health counselors and sent them out to respond to the kinds of 911 calls that wouldn't necessarily require police intervention.

In the town of 172,000, they were the first responders for mental health crises, homelessness, substance abuse, threats of suicide -- the problems for which there are no easy fixes. The problems that, in the hands of police, have often turned violent.
Today, the program, called CAHOOTS, has three vans, more than double the number of staffers and the attention of a country in crisis.
CAHOOTS is already doing what police reform advocates say is necessary to fundamentally change the US criminal justice system -- pass off some responsibilities to unarmed civilians.
Cities much larger and more diverse than Eugene have asked CAHOOTS staff to help them build their own version of the program. CAHOOTS wouldn't work everywhere, at least not in the form it exists in in Eugene.
But it's a template for what it's like to live in a city with limited police.
 
 

It's centered around a holistic approach

Nurse Celene Eldrich, a volunteer nurse for CAHOOTS, waits to screen guests for health concerns at the Egan Warming Center's Springfield location in March.
 
 
CAHOOTS comes from White Bird Clinic, a social services center that's operated in Eugene since the late 1960s. It was the brainchild of some counterculture activists who'd felt the hole where a community health center should be. And in 1989, after 20 years of earning the community's trust, CAHOOTS was created.
It stands for Crisis Assistance Helping Out on the Streets and cheekily refers to the relationship between the community health center that started it and the Eugene Police Department.
Most of the clients White Bird assisted -- unsheltered people or those with mental health issues -- didn't respond well to police. And for the many more people they hadn't yet helped, they wanted to make their services mobile, said David Zeiss, the program's co-founder.
"We knew that we were good at it," he said. "And we knew it was something of value to a lot of people ... we needed to be known and used by other agencies that commonly encounter crisis situation."
It works this way: 911 dispatchers filter calls they receive -- if they're violent or criminal, they're sent to police. If they're within CAHOOTS' purview, the van-bound staff will take the call. They prep what equipment they'll need, drive to the scene and go from there.
The program started small, with a van Zeiss called a "junker," some passionate paraprofessionals and just enough funding to staff CAHOOTS 40 hours a week.
It always paired one medic, usually a nurse or EMT, with a crisis responder trained in behavioral health. That holistic approach is core to its model.
Per self-reported data, CAHOOTS workers responded to 24,000 calls in 2019 -- about 20% of total dispatches. About 150 of those required police backup.
CAHOOTS says the program saves the city about $8.5 million in public safety costs every year, plus another $14 million in ambulance trips and ER costs.

It had to overcome mutual mistrust with police

White Bird's counterculture roots ran deep -- the clinic used to fundraise at Grateful Dead concerts in the West, where volunteer medics would treat Deadheads -- so the pairing between police and the clinic wasn't an immediately fruitful one.
There was "mutual mistrust" between them, said Zeiss, who retired in 2014.
"It's true there was a tendency to be mistrustful of the police in our agency and our culture," he said. "It was an obstacle we had to overcome."
And for the most part, both groups have: Eugene Police Chief Chris Skinner called theirs a "symbiotic relationship" that better serves some residents of Eugene.
"When they show up, they have better success than police officers do," he said. "We're wearing a uniform, a gun, a badge -- it feels very demonstrative for someone in crisis."
 

It seeks to overturn a disturbing statistic

And there's a great deal of people in Eugene in crisis.
Lane County, which encompasses Eugene and neighbor city Springfield, has staggering rates of homelessness.
The county's per-capita homeless rate is among the nation's highest. Recent data from the county also suggests mental health crises are widespread, too -- the suicide rate, at around 17 deaths per 100,000, is about 40% higher than the national average.
Police encounters with the homeless often end in citations or arrests. Of homeless people with mental health conditions, anywhere from 62.0% to 90% of them will be arrested, per one journal review of homelessness studies. They may end up in jail, not in treatment or housing, and thus begins the cycle of incarceration that doesn't benefit either party.

Around 25% of people killed by police show signs of mental illness, according to one study

 
CAHOOTS was created in part because of another disturbing statistic -- around 25% of people killed by police show signs of mental illness, according to a journal review of the Washington Post's extensive officer-involved shootings database.
The Eugene Police Department has been criticized in years past for shooting and killing people with mental illnesses. Most recently, in February, the city won a wrongful death lawsuit brought by the family of a man who was shot by police. His loved ones said he was a veteran with PTSD who'd threatened suicide. (Skinner was appointed chief in 2018, three years after the shooting.)

I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs.

Eugene Police Chief Chris Skinner

Most of CAHOOTS' clients are homeless, and just under a third of them have severe mental illnesses. It's a weight off the shoulders of police, Skinner said.
 
"I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs," Skinner said. "We need to get law enforcement professionals back to doing the core mission of protecting communities and enforcing the law, and then match resources with other services like behavioral health -- all those things we tend to lump on the plate of law enforcement."

Its staffers are unarmed

There's no such thing as a "typical" CAHOOTS shift these days, said Ben Brubaker, who worked as a CAHOOTS crisis worker before assuming the senior role of clinical co-coordinator at White Bird.
Staffers respond to substance addiction crises, psychotic episodes, homeless residents and threats of suicide. They make house calls to counsel depressed children at their parents' request, and they're contacted by public onlookers when someone isn't in a position to call CAHOOTS themselves.
Unlike police, CAHOOTS responders can't force anyone to accept their aid, and they can't arrest anyone. They're not armed, and their uniform usually consists of a White Bird T-shirt and jeans -- the goal is that the more "civilian-like" they look, the less threatened their clients will feel.
Their approach is different, too. They're taught in training to abandon the "pseudo-professional" affect that staffers inadvertently take on in talks with clients. And aside from an extensive background in medical care or mental health, all CAHOOTS employees are judged by their "lived experiences," Brubaker said -- people who've dealt with many of the situations CAHOOTS clients find themselves in are better able to empathize and serve those people, he said.
Building that rapport and trust with clients is part and parcel with their clinical work.
"That can be tricky," Brubaker said. "We show up in a white van."
 
 

The demand for its services continues to grow

 
Cahoots crisis councilor Ned White, left, and EMT Rose Fenwick wrap up a day shift with a stop in  Eugene in December 2018.
 
 
 
For most people they assist, though, that's still preferable to a police cruiser.
They can call police or EMS for assistance if the case requires a "higher level of care" than CAHOOTS can provide, he said. But much of it they can do on their own. They can transport clients to hospitals, shelters or White Bird Clinic, where they'll have access to medical and dental care and counseling.
Support continues to swell -- CAHOOTS receives about $2 million, which Zeiss says is almost three times what its budget was when he retired in 2014. And CAHOOTS a few years ago expanded to serve neighboring Springfield.
But the program is still working with just three vans, which are staffed 24/7. The workload can be overwhelming, Brubaker said.
The high demand, low capacity model is holding CAHOOTS back, said Ibrahim Coulibaly, a former White Bird volunteer who serves as the president of the Lane County NAACP chapter. Expanding CAHOOTS' services so it had its own campus, too, could improve its reach, he said.
With more funding, he said, reallocated from the police budget or another source, the program could respond to even more crises, with even more employees and, hopefully, at least one more van.
CAHOOTS could use more than another van, though, said June Fothergill, a pastor at a Springfield church who calls CAHOOTS to pick up the homeless people or people with substance use issues that stop by for free meals.
Fothergill said while CAHOOTS does its part well -- providing immediate services to someone in crisis -- there's still a void when it comes to long-term solutions.
"You can call someone for the crisis, but what are they supposed to do for it -- where can they take them except for jail?" she said. "That doesn't necessarily provide much treatment."
They're better equipped than police to care for the people she serves, she said. But if there isn't space in affordable housing, Eugene's detoxing center or mental health facilities, those clients will turn into regulars.
"They're doing what they can do," she said. "There's wonderful work going on, but it isn't adequate at the moment."

It says a partnership with police is essential

The idea of "defunding the police" crept into the mainstream just one month ago, since the death of George Floyd sparked nationwide protests against racism and police brutality. But what the term means depends on who you ask.
 
 
 
Advocates for limiting the role of police have pointed to Eugene as an example of social service providers and law enforcement working in harmony.
But a growing group of dissenters feel there's little room for police in the movement to fundamentally change the American criminal justice system. Services like CAHOOTS, they say, may function better and more broadly without the assistance of police.
 
Zeiss isn't sure he agrees.
"Partnership with police has always been essential to our model," he said. "A CAHOOTS-like program without a close relationship with police would be very different from anything we've done. I don't have a coherent vision of a society that has no police force."
He said the current movement has seemingly pitted service providers like CAHOOTS against police, which may stoke suspicion among police over "whether we're really their allies or their competitors," he said.
"In some sense, that may be true. But I think we still need to focus on being part of a system, and a system that includes police for some functions," Zeiss said.

Partnership with police has always been essential to our model. I don't have a coherent vision of a society that has no police force.

David Zeiss, the program's co-founder

 
Skinner, the Eugene police chief, said reallocating funds from Eugene police would stifle the department, which is already money-tight, and its ability to do the work to defend CAHOOTS when situations turn violent.
"Anytime you're thinking about what meaningful change looks like, especially that's sustainable, it takes a significant amount of engagement from stakeholders," he said. "While I totally understand people's desire to do something very, very quickly, we kind of need to keep our eyes on the prize here. If we want to reform police, we have to do it methodically and strategically."
 

It's become central in the 'defund the police' debate

Coulibaly said community leaders are in talks over what to do about police -- should their funding go to CAHOOTS, or should more funding be directed toward better educating police about deescalation techniques? They haven't reached a consensus, he said.
"If the city doesn't have enough money to fund CAHOOTS, probably they should think about reallocating some of the funds that go to police to support CAHOOTS," he said.
Brubaker said the relationship with police remains strong, but CAHOOTS is evaluating the calls for change from the public, who've directed their support toward the program. He said staff are figuring out what shape the program will take going forward, but there's no clear path.
"We're not trying to be the face of a mainstream institution," he said. "We're just people serving people."

Other cities are trying to develop a similar model

The idea of a separate entity in charge of alternative care is more enticing than ever as cities mull over the efficacy of their police departments.
CAHOOTS has met the moment. Brubaker said he's consulting with cities on how to implement their own CAHOOTS-inspired program, subbing White Bird Clinic for a local organization that serves a similar role.
There are a few criteria, though, that Brubaker considers immutable: The CAHOOTS stand-in should be operated by a local non-profit separate from the government that already has an established, positive rapport with the community, and it should ideally be staffed by people who reflect the diversity of that community.
CAHOOTS consulted Olympia, Washington, on the creation of its own Crisis Response Unit, which is staffed by two social workers. Denver is piloting a program, also inspired by CAHOOTS, led by a local social justice organization.

... but there is no one-size-fits-all solution

 
White Bird Clinic and CAHOOTS coordinators can't go into other communities and set up copies of CAHOOTS. What works in Eugene wouldn't work in New York, or in Miami, or in larger cities more diverse than Eugene (less than 2% of the population is Black, according to census data).
Brubaker knows that a "fill-in-the-blank" style of reform wouldn't work. But CAHOOTS does provide a template.
"I guess the role that I see for our agency isn't to go in and tell other communities what they need to do and should be doing," he said. "Our role is to assist those communities to have a conversation with each other about what they need and what that response can look like."
It's not an immediate fix. Zeiss said it took a lot of "patient plotting" for CAHOOTS to really have an impact.
"At this point, we've patiently waited out an entire generation of police officers," he said. "There's nobody on the Eugene police force today who can remember being a Eugene police officer without CAHOOTS. It's been that slow of a process."
That doesn't mean other cities shouldn't try.
"You have to start," he said. "You can start immediately by creating something and expand it as confidence in it grows."
 
Another city's CAHOOTS may not be called CAHOOTS at all, though it'll probably use another cutesy acronym. It's not likely to satisfy advocates who want to defund the police entirely. But, if done right, it could change the lives of some of a city's most vulnerable people.

 

 



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