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Msg ID: 2740515 So Old Guy Flipper and Angry man ... +4/-2     
Author:bladeslap
8/28/2022 11:46:54 AM

Are you okay that a former president illegally took Top secret documents off site, some with sensitive miliatry secrets, off-site in an unsecure location ... did not return them until they raided his houes

Does this make you feel comfortable about his level of responsibility and his ability to follow rules of law, some of which he signed into law himself?

If it indeed is true those documents were found off-site, how does that make you feel about Trump?

 



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Msg ID: 2740530 Such Bull shit +3/-3     
Author:Old Guy
8/28/2022 3:01:47 PM

Reply to: 2740515

1.  Trump has said he declassified all of those documents, so none were top secret.

2.   At this time it is a lie to say there was sensitive imilitary secrets, nobody that knows has made that claim.

3.  The documents were in a locked room (fbi required lock) and protected by US Secret Service.

This does not even come close to the Clinton rule.  She had no management control over what documents were classified or not.  She had more calassified documents in a less secure location.  How does that make you feel about the Clinton's?



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Msg ID: 2740533 Such Bull shit +4/-1     
Author:bladeslap
8/28/2022 3:14:58 PM

Reply to: 2740530

1.  Trump has said he declassified all of those documents, so none were top secret.

Richard Immerman, a historian and an assistant deputy director of national intelligence in the Obama administration, said that, while the president has the authority to declassify documents, there’s a formal process for doing so, and there's no indication Trump used it.

“He can’t just wave a wand and say it’s declassified,” Immerman said. “There has to be a formal process. That’s the only way the system can work,” because otherwise there would be no way of knowing who could handle or see the documents.

“I’ve seen thousands of declassified documents. They’re all marked ‘declassified’ with the date they were declassified,” Immerman said.  

That does not appear to have been the case with some of the documents that were returned to the National Archives from Mar-a-Lago this year. Archivist David S. Ferriero, an Obama appointee, said in a letter to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform in February that his agency had "identified items marked as classified national security information within the boxes” from Mar-a-Lago.

 

2.   At this time it is a lie to say there was sensitive imilitary secrets, nobody that knows has made that claim.

Time will tell. You call it a lie because it's inconvenient for you eh? Since you just said nobody knows, why do you call it a "lie"? Perhaps a source inside the DOJ "leaked" it and it is true? Similar to how Bolton's manuscript/book was leaked a few days before and it was 100% accurate

3.  The documents were in a locked room (fbi required lock) and protected by US Secret Service.

They were locked over a year after...they were sitting in unsecured room for how long? Potentially highly sensitive military secrets? You feel comfortable with that?

This does not even come close to the Clinton rule.  She had no management control over what documents were classified or not.  She had more calassified documents in a less secure location.  How does that make you feel about the Clinton's?

You are so far off on this one it's not even funny.

The markings on the documents for Clinton were either

1. Not there

2. Incorrectly marked

With Trump, the markings were CLEAR. There is a formal process for declassifying that would apply the marks on the de-classified documents (so that people would KNOW they are no longer classified). They weren't there. He never followed the process ... But this is how he ran the office. Loose and disorganized. It's why so many people who worked for him either say he's incompetent or just simply not even remotely suited for the office.

 

 



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Msg ID: 2740809 Oh, did the secret service leave the Trump residence?? Hummmmmmmmm (NT) +1/-2     
Author:observer II
8/30/2022 6:41:00 PM

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Msg ID: 2740808 So what happened to waiting for all the evidence before condemning a person +1/-2     
Author:observer II
8/30/2022 6:39:06 PM

Reply to: 2740515

Or does that only apply to people that disagree with you??

Can you even see your own hypocrisy?

 



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