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Msg ID: 2742694 Question for Bladeslap +4/-1     
Author:Old Guy
9/18/2022 4:14:10 PM

Now that we are aware that the FBI is just a arm of the left.  

There are articles written by experts and retired agents Making that point.

There are claims by whistleblowers claiming the same.

All of the FBI action over the last few years have been against people on the right.  

When people on the left are accused, the FBI may say they will look into it, but they hid information and never do anything.

Their actions have been illegal, dishonest, and total biased.

You do know that propaganda is not only telling you a lie, but not telling you the truth.

So, Bladeslap are you willing to have a debate about the FBI being politicalized?

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Msg ID: 2742701 You have zero credibility and you were caught in a lie +3/-2     
Author:bladeslap
9/18/2022 5:30:24 PM

Reply to: 2742694

You have zero credibility and you lied about something in black and white and won't acknowledge that you were dishonest, so I'm done with you Old guy - You're not worth anybodys time debating because like trump, you lie about everything. 

 

Happy trails Maga



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Msg ID: 2742705 So, you are not capable of a debate on a political site, because +4/-2     
Author:Old Guy
9/18/2022 5:58:14 PM

Reply to: 2742701

You think someone lied.  Have you read your posts.   What a bunch of Bull Shit.

Is this about the poll from Fox.

I posted the number was 21% and itis.  And it is 21% of republicans polled.

THAT IS NOT A LIE.

And a poll that thinks Trump was wrong to take documents is worthless.  Shit! If Trump had goverment documents he could have been wrong to keep them,  But so far the information put out, every President has government documents.  It has been reported Obama has over 30 million documents.

I did not continue with that discussion, because it has no real value.  A poll that they ask 1000 people a question is no indication in what the country thinks.

But your reply shows you do not want to debate, and the excuse you used, shows that you a immature useful idiot.

 

 



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Msg ID: 2742735 So, you are not capable of a debate on a political site, because +3/-1     
Author:bladeslap
9/18/2022 11:42:38 PM

Reply to: 2742705

I'm done with you - Facts in black and white and you just continue to lie - I'll remind you :

Then you go about and admit that it was 21% of republicans...

I'm done with you Old guy - Have a nice life - 



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Msg ID: 2742775 Obama didn’t keep millions of classified White House documents +4/-1     
Author:TheCrow
9/19/2022 11:38:29 AM

Reply to: 2742705

"It has been reported Obama has over 30 million documents."

Ah, yes: middle school sophistry- have you told your mother (father, uncle, teacher....) that you" X,Y or Z"?

"It has been reported..." that Trump is a liar, a cheat, a thief and yet you hold him as the paragon of poltical leadership.

 

The principles of Trumpism:

Deny, dissemble and distract.

Use "Whataboutism"

If profitable, lie.

 

 

 
President Barack Obama gives a statement in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington, June 15, 2012. After leaving office, Obama's records were transferred to the National Archives and Records Administration. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File)
President Barack Obama gives a statement in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington, June 15, 2012. After leaving office, Obama's records were transferred to the National Archives and Records Administration. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File)

CLAIM: Former President Barack Obama took 30 million documents, many of them classified, to Chicago upon leaving the White House.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Obama administration records are exclusively held and maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration, the federal agency confirmed on Friday. Millions of unclassified documents were transferred after Obama left office to a NARA facility in Chicago, but neither Obama’s personal foundation nor the facility set to house his presidential memorabilia have control over those papers.

THE FACTS: Amid mounting revelations surrounding the FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, a counternarrative pushed online — including by Trump himself — posits that Obama similarly kept possession of White House documents after his term of office.

“President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified. How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!” Trump posted on Truth Social, the social network he founded, on Friday.

“OBAMA TOOK 30 Million Documents when he left the WHITEHOUSE and No FBI RAID,” read one tweet posted Tuesday, the day after the FBI’s search, that had garnered almost 20,000 likes by Friday.

 

But these records were given to NARA in 2017, upon the end of Obama’s term, and they remain in NARA’s sole custody, in accordance with federal law. Some 30 million documents were moved to a NARA-operated facility in the Chicago area, as the agency explained in a statement Friday, but none were classified. The administration’s classified documents are stored in a separate NARA facility in the Washington, D.C., area.

 

Presidential libraries are managed by NARA, and the documents therein belong to the agency, which also manages related public records requests. But the Obama Presidential Library has no physical location; it’s the first to be wholly virtual. Some 95 percent of Obama administration documents were “born digital,” meaning they have no “hard-copy” version and don’t need to be digitized, per NARA.

Separately, construction began in 2021 on the Obama Presidential Center, a complex in Chicago managed by the privately-run Obama Foundation. But because the center will not be affiliated with NARA, the Obama Foundation will need to request to borrow any artifacts or records intended for display there from the government. The foundation did provide funding to NARA for digitizing the Obama administration’s paper documents, but NARA itself is responsible for actually handling them, according to the agency.

A spokesperson for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Benjamin Hufbauer, a professor at the University of Louisville and a researcher of presidential libraries, reiterated that no White House records remain in Obama’s personal possession. They are “owned by the nation,” he told The Associated Press in an email.

The FBI retrieved “top secret” records from Mar-a-Lago, including some with particularly sensitive information, according to court papers released Friday, the AP reported Friday. The warrant authorizing the search says agents were investigating possible violations of three federal laws, including rules surrounding the gathering and transmission of defense information under the Espionage Act.

The fact that such secret papers were reportedly seized directly from Trump’s estate is the key distinction between Trump’s records and Obama’s, Hufbauer said. “Even if there are duplicate copies of these documents in the National Archives (which there almost certainly are), sensitive documents about, say, nuclear secrets, are to be housed in a secure facility, and access to them is very tightly controlled,” he said.



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Msg ID: 2742778 Poll: Majority of Americans Approve of Search on Mar-a-Lago for Files Trump +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
9/19/2022 12:02:57 PM

Reply to: 2742705

The 'sensitive' files at Trump's Mar-a-Lago is only the start of the crime. 

For instance- Where are the contents of the empty folders?

What has been obvious to those who know Trump is not, was not and never will be a capable trustworthy POTUS is now being made abundantly clear to all humanity.

The same lack of basic judgement of risk that Trump demonstrated in dealing with COVID-19 is once again seen.

The only principle constant in Trump is that he comes first before anything else is even considered. He couldn't be bothered by the basic American obligation to serve his country if needed.

 

Poll: Majority of Americans Approve of Search on Mar-a-Lago for Files Trump Took

Anew poll shows that a majority of voters in the U.S. approve of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort last week, in which the agency was seeking documents improperly taken by the former president after his term expired.

A recent Economist/YouGov poll surveyed Americans about the issue from August 13-16, after portions of the search warrant that was executed last week Monday were unsealed. According to the survey, the vast majority of Americans have heard about the Department of Justice (DOJ) investigation, with 50 percent saying they’ve heard a lot about it and 36 percent saying they’ve heard a little about the search of the Trump property. Just 14 percent said they haven’t heard anything about it.

When survey participants were asked how they felt about the search, most said they approved of the DOJ’s actions, with 54 percent saying so. Only 36 percent said they disapproved. Similarly, only 30 percent of those surveyed said they approve of Trump having taken the records after leaving office, while 52 percent said they disapproved.

Negative feelings increased in regards to reports that Trump took classified documents, potentially illegally, related to nuclear weapons, which sources close to the investigation said he did.

Among all survey respondents, 57 percent of Americans say they disapprove of Trump taking nuclear weapons-related documents to his Mar-a-Lago estate. Those who voted for Trump in the 2020 presidential election, however, were split on that question, with 35 percent saying they approved of him potentially taking such documents, and 36 percent saying they didn’t (19 percent were unsure how to feel about it).

The inability of a large segment of Trump voters to acknowledge that such actions could be seen as improper in spite of most voters overall condemning them perhaps explains why his favorability rating was relatively and statistically unchanged compared to a previous Economist/YouGov poll conducted last week.

According to the most recent poll, only 39 percent of voters have a favorable view of Trump, with 54 percent giving him an unfavorable rating. Last week, 40 percent said they viewed Trump favorably, with 56 percent giving him an unfavorable grade.

Trump and his defenders have given myriad reasons as to why he should be allowed to keep classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, most of which are misleading or outright lies — including wrongly assertions that taking them from the White House automatically declassified them. Regardless of their classification status, the DOJ is looking into possible violations of the Espionage Act, which is concerned with how government records, whether classified or not, may be used to harm the national security interests of the United States.



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Msg ID: 2742781 So, you are not capable of a debate on a political site, because +2/-1     
Author:TheCrow
9/19/2022 12:11:16 PM

Reply to: 2742705
Trump is a proven liar.
He will say whatever he believes will result in his personal benefit.
His actions have presented America with what may be the final issue ending our nation of laws: risk that his calls for violent reaction will be effective if he is prosecuted? Or will we let wealth and power keep him invulnerable to all law and morality?
 
Aug 15, 2022

Bolton: Trump's defense of Mar-a-Lago materials "almost certainly a lie"

Former President Trump speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Aug. 6 in Dallas. Photo: Brandon Bell via Getty Images

Former national security adviser John Bolton told the New York Times that former President Trump, whom he served under for over 17 months, is "almost certainly" lying about why he had classified material at his Mar-a-Lago estate.

Why it matters: After a search warrant unsealed Friday revealed FBI agents recovered classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, Trump and his team claimed he had a "standing order" dictating that documents taken from the Oval Office to his residence were "deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them."

What he's saying: Bolton told the Times he had never heard of any such standing order. It is "almost certainly a lie," he said.

  • "I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in," Bolton said. "If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed."
  • Trump's clubs in Florida and New Jersey had installed secure facilities for the purpose of viewing top secret documents, Bolton noted — Trump shouldn't have needed to declassify anything.
  • Moreover, declassified materials are subject to public record requests, Bolton pointed out.
  • "When somebody begins to concoct lies like this, it shows a real level of desperation."

The big picture: The unsealed warrant showed that the materials recovered from the estate were only meant to be kept in secure government facilities.

  • The revelations undercut Trump and his allies’ claims that the warrant was baseless.

Worth noting: Trump's legal team said in a written declaration in June that all classified material stored at Mar-a-Lago had been returned to the government, the Times reports.

Go deeper: Presidential Records Act and Trump search explained



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